Supreme Court upholds ghost gun ban

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Supreme Court upholds Biden rule requiring serial numbers and background checks for ghost guns

Gun safety groups are celebrating the Supreme Court decision upholding a Biden administration firearm regulation on nearly impossible-to-trace ghost guns.
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SCOTUS upheld the Garland Final Rule, on Frames and Receivers, i.e. Ghost guns.

Not unexpected due to widespread builds by criminal elements. ruining it for all.

Bondi and Patel can revise the rule, but the old rule stands for now.
 
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so I have a solution to the problem. Go ahead and build your gun................everyone go out and build a gun, and put a serial number on it. But everyone use the same serial number, like 1234FU56789. Can you imagine a couple million firearms with the same Serial number :ROFL: :ROFL:

How the fuck are they going to regulate that, LOL :ROFL::salute::salute:
 
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I'm waiting for the Four Boxes review, but a preliminary read sounds like what the S.C. upheld was that firearm kits do fall under the GCA and ATF's purview.
The question was never "are these bullshit rules un-Constitutional", but rather, "are these bullshit rules enforceable under the GCA".
This is why you need to ask the right questions when you present to the S.C.

Though this certainly showed which Justices are willing to bend over backward and build a word-salad narrative to justify just about anything. Including Goresuck's comment about AR-15s being declared "machine guns" as invalid because "the ATF has stated numerous times they have no intention of doing that".
Yeah, I feel better already.

We still need a lawsuit that charges the NFA, GCA, ATF, etc., are ALL un-Constitutional...and, of course, we need the S.C. to actually do their damned jobs and hear the case.

Little by little, inch by inch, they are trying to close the doors that would allow the lawful restoration of our Rights.
They should read a history book.
 
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Just another example that the Supreme Court wants to create only a theoretical RKBA -- i.e., one with no teeth. They will not make any decisions against the CCIA, or assault weapons laws, etc.
 
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... and in unrelated news, the price of 3D printers and engraving tools has just tripled.
 
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So much for history text and tradition. Gorsuch said a lot has changed in how guns are made since the gun control act of 1968.
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Supreme Court upholds Biden regulations on 'ghost gun' kits

The decision means the federal government can regulate the easily obtainable gun parts the same way as firearms bought from specialist stores.
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This one has more on Gorsuch opinion
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Supreme Court upholds rules requiring background checks for ‘ghost guns’ | CNN Politics

The Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld Biden-era federal regulations on “ghost guns,” mail-order kits that allow people to build untraceable weapons at home – handing gun control groups a rare win at the conservative high court.
amp.cnn.com amp.cnn.com
 
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I will have to read the decision to get the actual nuances, but in the meantime I am torn whether I should hit "cycle start" button on my CNC mill or press the "start print" button on my printer.

Can anyone clarify in the meantime this was directed at the buy build shoot kits or a piece of receiver shaped metal or plastic that cannot fire a projectile?
 
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Very narrow ruling. This isn't as bad for us as you might think. Basically it said that build kits COULD be so easy to make so as to consider them guns. Also, it left open the idea that the frame and receiver rule could be changed and clarified.
 
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Cavalry said:
I will have to read the decision to get the actual nuances, but in the meantime I am torn whether I should hit "cycle start" button on my CNC mill or press the "start print" button on my printer.

Can anyone clarify in the meantime this was directed at the buy build shoot kits or a piece of receiver shaped metal or plastic that cannot fire a projectile?
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From what I read it was the all-in-one buy build kits but also 3-D printed guns we’re specifically mentioned by Gorsuch.
 
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It may be the All-in-One Kits... But the Progressive Left interpretation will be ALL PARTS... NY will begin sending letters to suppliers and vendors, etc., and maliciously intimidate out of state businesses to comply! Then the State will encourage Credit Card vendors to refuse to process purchases for the same, etc., etc., etc... Blah Blah Blah...

Question is, if the PARTS are legal, then why is a collection of parts not... It's an absurd argument!
 
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Well, I wonder if it is ok to sell a box of pens then that is used when voting! That the pens should be obtained individually, not as a collective! As a matter of fact, the ink cartridges and pen shells should not be allowed to be sold assembled...

This ruling makes zero sense!
 
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Well, I wonder if it is ok to sell a box of pens then that is used when voting! That the pens should be obtained individually, not as a collective! As a matter of fact, the ink cartridges and pen shells should not be allowed to be sold assembled...

This ruling makes zero sense!
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SCOTUS takes it's cues from NASA aka "Never A Straight Answer"
 
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Moot in NYS.............

Possession of existing GG's in other states is legal............but sale requires paperwork.
Building GG's in other states MAY still be legal...........murky ATF regs,

What Bondi decides to do to rewrite the rule, will happen.
 
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Moot in NYS.............

Possession of existing GG's in other states is legal............but sale requires paperwork.
Building GG's in other states MAY still be legal...........murky ATF regs,

What Bondi decides to do to rewrite the rule, will happen.
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What State(s) require paperwork? Are you referring to home built pistols? Because Rifles do NOT require paperwork in many jurisdictions, nor does the sale of such! Let alone "Private" sales...

"May" be legal (build) ummmm... Building a Firearm for Personal use is by all definitions extremely LEGAL and Constitutionally protected.

A bit too much NY programming in the thought process here... When we get away from the programming and our eyes are opened it's an amazing world out there!

Fuck NY...

Anyways,

Murky area is when a person would actively engaged in the manufacture for the purpose of business, or sales, resales. And that's an entire different spectrum of the argument.

You want to lathe, machine, CNC parts, rifle your own barrel, make your own furniture and assemble a functional firearm for your own personal use without the intent to sell or transfer... I would love to see any jurisdiction fight that, they'd lose, badly!

Just my $0.02¢
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Unable to find "Some" or "Items" or "Kit" or "Build" or "manufacture" or "Business" or "Sell" or "Transfer" or even "Give a way" in the text history tradition of the 2A ..

they can all go to hell
 
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So, here is something wierd. Polymer 80 shut down last year. Yet, strangely, there now appears to be a functioning website that comes up in the top of a Google search for Polymer 80, at polymer80.us.com - WTF is THAT??? And who the Hell is behind it, - the ATF? I believe their old site was polymer80.com, - which now shows as blank. The site polymer80.us.com looks like a real site, but clearly it cannot be legit. And even more bizarre is that the website is advertising “Glock switches“ for sale!!!

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On a separate note, now that the Vanderstok decision is out, it raises a question as to if those unserialized polymer frames will make a comeback as something less than an 80 percent frame, perhaps 75%, or 50%, as the decision basically left it a bit open, - if the frame required more extensive work. The decision stated that if an unserialized “kit” included all of the parts needed to build it, and required such a small amount of work to finish the frame that it could be done in an hour or less, then that would be prohibited.

To me, that indicates that these will make a comeback as frames requiring more work, and possibly the use of more specialized tools than just a Dremel, a drill, and 30 minutes of your time to build. Time will tell I guess.
 
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Privately Made Firearms | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Privately made firearms (PMFs) are firearms (including a frame or receiver) that have been completed, assembled or otherwise produced by a person other than a licensed manufacturer. PMFs are also made without a serial number placed by a licensed manufacturer at the time the firearm was produced...
www.atf.gov www.atf.gov

Educate yourself................enforcement is spotty...under Bondi we will have to wait and see. Jigs are included in the F&R rules.

3D-Printed Gun Laws by State: A 2025 Overview of State Laws and Ghost Gun Legislation

Is 3D-printing guns illegal in your state? This article covers 3D-printing gun laws in states with prohibitions.
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Frames are pistol...receivers are rifle.

GG's going forward.........many exist.............grandfathering them is in the above ATF link.


Possession of them and or any 80%'er will likely become illegal in most states within a year..like NYS.
 
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So if your making a home made gun which is legal , you have to stop milling the block of aluminum at 79% because at 80% its Illegal

Correct ...
 
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Hmm...
If jigs are included does that eliminate the possibility of casting a lower receiver all at once? Is a mold considered a "jig" for the purposes of that illegal rule?

Maybe the new "80% kits" should be a preformed lost-wax mold, container, sand, and a block of aluminum?
 
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Fuck em all, the big the short and the tall, fuck em all.
Where is that country I once new, gone to law school everyone, when will it ever return, gone to graveyards everyone.
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The Decision did refer to rectangular blocks of aluminum, so those are firearms too.

Illegal in NYS anyway.

I predict that all states will now declare them illegal, like NYS...............it is not about you, but the criminals, mostly with Glocks...........you will not like the new regs that will have all blanks serial numbered with mfg data........China will begin pumping them out massively..Glocks at least.
 
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