Tarrifs and Ammo

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So besides tarrifs on countries in Europe and South America, what effects do you all think they will have on American ammo?


We have no primary smelters here.

Copper and brass are imported heavily.


I'm not saying that tarrifs are bad, but I want to be realistic on what could happen. Ammo prices have never come down fully from covid. I think it could only get worse.
 
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Vapor said:
So besides tarrifs on countries in Europe and South America, what effects do you all think they will have on American ammo?


We have no primary smelters here.

Copper and brass are imported heavily.


I'm not saying that tarrifs are bad, but I want to be realistic on what could happen. Ammo prices have never come down fully from covid. I think it could only get worse.
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powder prices are making me puke.
 
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They will go up for sure. Almost all metals come from outside the USA. There isn’t much mining happening here. Tariffs have increased so prices will as well.
 
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Tariffs, President Trump has been in only 90 days in a couple days, all while fighting the swamp; he sets the tariff and the other countries see they need to lower/make a deal or they will stay. "Break a deal, spin the wheel".
Pressure needs to be put on all the swamp monsters new and old.
 
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Tariffs, President Trump has been in only 90 days in a couple days, all while fighting the swamp; he sets the tariff and the other countries see they need to lower/make a deal or they will stay. "Break a deal, spin the wheel".
Pressure needs to be put on all the swamp monsters new and old.
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I'm not here to debate the tarrifs. Im just looking at how the ride may affect us who love to shoot.
 
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Price is going up. Supply down.
We need to restock our munitions, so at least 2yrs of dry times.
Understood about debate, but supply and price were going to fall and rise anyway.
It might get to the point where many people will need to join together and make a huge purchase of needed stocks; if a seller will make a deal.
 
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Sga and target sports have good inventory right now. I just went with target because they had the .308 I wanted. Im lucking it can ship right to my door.


My brother has a reloading set up. I may look into .308 dies.
 
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Literally everything will go up. Everything you buy. It doesn’t matter where it is made because it’s a global market at this point. A lot of American made things are made with parts and components made in other countries.
 
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If you haven't been stacked and packed since Y2K you're doing it wrong. Ammo has seen worse ups and downs than the stock market.
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If you’ve been holding onto ammo since 1999 then you’ve missed out on a lot of good times. Ammo, like ice cream, is best enjoyed when it’s being shot out of a wait, what? Best enjoyed when it’s being used, not stored. Yeah. But keep a rotating stockpile in case there’s a shortage of ice cream later on. I just stocked up on some, uh, sprinkles and toppings this morning. :beer:
 
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Beerman said:
If you’ve been holding onto ammo since 1999 then you’ve missed out on a lot of good times. Ammo, like ice cream, is best enjoyed when it’s being shot out of a wait, what? Best enjoyed when it’s being used, not stored. Yeah. But keep a rotating stockpile in case there’s a shortage of ice cream later on. I just stocked up on some, uh, sprinkles and toppings this morning. :beer:
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Ice cream and guns, two of my favorite things.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
They will go up for sure. Almost all metals come from outside the USA. There isn’t much mining happening here. Tariffs have increased so prices will as well.
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The idea being touted is the US raising Tariffs against other Countries will do two things: make them lower tariffs on our stuff, making it easier to sell overseas and increase/bring back domestic manufacturing making us more self sufficient while employing/taxing our own....If you could buy American for even close to what the Chinese sell for, wouldn't you buy that way? If the Plant to make widgets goes into operation, isn't there jobs, incomes, money added to the economy, and yes even taxes...people are so worried about not getting cheap shit from China that they've lost sight of what "American Made" used to mean, instead they're worried about paying more at china-Mart. (fuck that place)
 
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The idea being touted is the US raising Tariffs against other Countries will do two things: make them lower tariffs on our stuff, making it easier to sell overseas and increase/bring back domestic manufacturing making us more self sufficient while employing/taxing our own....If you could buy American for even close to what the Chinese sell for, wouldn't you buy that way? If the Plant to make widgets goes into operation, isn't there jobs, incomes, money added to the economy, and yes even taxes...people are so worried about not getting cheap shit from China that they've lost sight of what "American Made" used to mean, instead they're worried about paying more at china-Mart. (fuck that place)
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I would buy American if it was close but it won’t be. If there is free trade and no tariffs between us and many other countries many other countries will still produce it cheaper. Our wages, corporate taxes, unemployment insurance, workers compensation, regulations, health care, environmental regulations, red tape…. The list goes on will cause our products to be much higher than many other countries can produce them. I get the theory but it doesn’t pan out that way in real life. Many of the countries we’re competing with have very few of the obstacles mentioned above and if they do they are to a lesser amount.
Now let’s talk about China could have us over a barrel by stopping selling us rare earth magnets, many minerals and metals we need, and flooding the market with our bonds or calling in our debt. We do not hold all the cards like many think or are led to believe we do. We are a big strong market but we’re not everything.
 
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I am okay with paying more.
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Me too to a point and depending on what it is. But the other thing is if all our products are more expensive then will we be exporting much of anything. I thought the idea was a eliminated elite trade deficits but I fail to see how making products here that are more costly will reduce trade coming into the USA or keep this plan going or popular with USA citizens. If there are no tariffs between us and say Vietnam or India then we will lose out to them making it cheaper than the USA can. Now if it’s the EU we can be competitive of this is the case. Also what is the income of other countries citizens? Many other countries make way less than we do and/or the government subsidizes businesses there or keeps prices to a certain point. I doubt they will be doing this to help American goods coming in. I like the idea I’m just not sure it will pan out as people think it will.
I was in France and French people buy French made goods from small artisans and local shops much like we did in the 50’s and 60’s. I’m not sure how much American imports will be coming in but they do love Levi jeans… that I doubt are produced in the USA anymore.
 
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I remember during COVID having to drop $40 on a box of #6 Federal shot. Nothing special, just run of the mill #6 steel shot that was normally $12-16. Slugs were up from $7 to $20. .223/5.56 were up from $7-12 to $22-30 for 20. .22LR has been crazy for decades. No tariffs, just high prices. It never really came back down to the old prices, some were close but...
I have to go get some ammo for an upcoming trip that we usually do some target shooting. I guess I'll see if anything changed, but I'm not optimistic.
I'm getting a feeling ammo is going to at least double in price. If not more.
 
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FP1201 said:
The idea being touted is the US raising Tariffs against other Countries will do two things: make them lower tariffs on our stuff, making it easier to sell overseas and increase/bring back domestic manufacturing making us more self sufficient while employing/taxing our own....If you could buy American for even close to what the Chinese sell for, wouldn't you buy that way? If the Plant to make widgets goes into operation, isn't there jobs, incomes, money added to the economy, and yes even taxes...people are so worried about not getting cheap shit from China that they've lost sight of what "American Made" used to mean, instead they're worried about paying more at china-Mart. (fuck that place)
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I’ve never once, ever, bought Chinese ammo. So, tell us how tariffs will help protect American jobs at ammunition manufacturing plants or make prices better. Remember that the US currently imports roughly half of all the copper it needs every year, for example. This should be good.
 
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FP1201 said:
The idea being touted is the US raising Tariffs against other Countries will do two things: make them lower tariffs on our stuff, making it easier to sell overseas and increase/bring back domestic manufacturing making us more self sufficient while employing/taxing our own....If you could buy American for even close to what the Chinese sell for, wouldn't you buy that way? If the Plant to make widgets goes into operation, isn't there jobs, incomes, money added to the economy, and yes even taxes...people are so worried about not getting cheap shit from China that they've lost sight of what "American Made" used to mean, instead they're worried about paying more at china-Mart. (fuck that place)
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Almost everything we as (or what I think may gun owners are) outdoor enthusiasts are hard-pressed to find American made gear. If you dig into where a lot of stuffs made, it's made overseas. Not just China but Pakistan, North and South Korea, Africa... Maxpedition is a prime example, it's rated and toted as some of the best outdoor and tactical gear on the market, but it's not made here as many would have us believe. It's designed here, but made in China, Korea, and some other not so great countries. Our military is even switching from rifles made in the US to SIG. Don't forget, too, there are a lot of high-end shotguns that are made in Turkey. Motor vehicles are assembled here, but the parts are made overseas, that's why we need metric tools to fix a lot of newer vehicles, and the chips are not made here either. I should also say, it's hard to take the term BUY AMERICAN when it's made on an electronic that was made in China, so that seriously lowers the validity of the statement. Our brass, copper, and even lead are imported to make ammo. Don't forget all the AK lovers, which are from Russia and mainly used by corrupt countries like China, North Korea, Iran... So buy American just doesn't hold the weight it once did.
You also have to be careful what American company you buy from. Do a little research into the guys who own and run Ruger. Daniel Defense was another some may want to read up on. Both aren't fully on our side.
 
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No change at the shop we go to the most on the state next door. They did say it's a waiting game, they'll know when they get ready to order from the supplier.
 
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