27 people taken into custody by ICE agents during raid at Sanford manufacturing company

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kev74 said:
I hope they deported the one that left the set screw on the gas block on my upper loose.

Can't really blame an employer when .gov says they're not allowed to verify citizenship.
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Yeah you can. Is it Law not to verify?
 
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You all do realize this happened a while ago!? Bear Creek is and has been known for this and therefore not supported by the 2A communities...

As an aside, I wonder why owners and managers aren't also detained and processed as their hiring practices are in violation of the Law as well... Many laws actually...
 
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Cooolone said:
As an aside, I wonder why owners and managers aren't also detained and processed as their hiring practices are in violation of the Law as well... Many laws actually...
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Because most of the politicians also utilize illegals as a way to keep "costs" down.
If they started going after the small companies for hiring illegals eventually the politicians will get picked up for it.

Can't have that now, can we? (/sarcasm)
 
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Cooolone said:
As an aside, I wonder why owners and managers aren't also detained and processed as their hiring practices are in violation of the Law as well... Many laws actually...
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If the employer is paying them under the table, then the .gov will love them tenderly.
BUT, as long as they run the info through the Fed E-verify, or are presented with a SS number and name, they can file the proper tax forms, and the .gov gets a cut.
It doesn't matter than the SS number they are using is stolen, and being used by 15 different people in different states, the IRS never used to flag that, let alone tell the employers. The IRS would explicitly NOT share any information with ICE, but I think that is being changed now :)
If an illegal has all the "right" paperwork, not matter how fraudulently they got it, the employer "did their due diligence", and have their asses covered.
If the employer had an EFFECTIVE, and required tool to confirm the eligibility of a job applicant, I'd be more than happy to see the hammer brought down on them right along with the illegal. Or, even better, have the IRS run the tool the first time their added to a payroll for deductions. Cross reference it with all the other info they have, and BOOM, stolen SS numbers pop right up, and ICE could be notified. Combat the issue from both ends, right?

But here in NY? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, since they added immigration status to the "Human Rights Law".
Citizenship or Immigration Status - The Law protects against discrimination based on the citizenship of any person or the immigration status of any person who is not a citizen of the United States. The Law does not prohibit actions on this basis where required by law.
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The fact that NYS started issuing licenses to illegals made it that much easier for them to get hired, and in fact, NYS will TELL THEM when ICE asks about their license:
The law provides a number of privacy protections that limit data sharing, including to agencies that primarily enforce immigration laws, and requires disclosure to the license holders when immigration enforcement agencies request data from DMV.
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Source: Driver Licenses and the Green Light Law | NY DMV

ETA: BCA has always produced shit, so I wasn't at all surprised by their hiring practices.... It fits hand in had with the quality of their QC
 
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"A lot of sadness obviously," said Hispanic Liaison of Chatham County Executive Director Ilana Dubester. "This is always a tragic event when ICE comes to town and conducts a raid and separates family and arrests people and everybody's scrambling and they don't know where their family members are being taken."

Aww, that's too damn bad I hope Ilana isn't to depressed, she might get red flagged!
 
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kev74 said:
I hope they deported the one that left the set screw on the gas block on my upper loose.

Can't really blame an employer when .gov says they're not allowed to verify citizenship.
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Isn’t that what an I9 is for? I had to prove I was legally allowed to work in the USA just a few weeks ago.
 
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Unrelated but I wish ICE would come clean out the dairy farm near us. You may remember my story of when the 2 illegals from Columbia doped a bunch of cows, ruined $200,000 worth of equipment, stole and crashed 2 cars from the dairy, then ended up in our ditch. Then walked up our driveway before turning around and walking down the road. They were drunk and high. They were both deported.
The farm is still employing illegals. About 15 of them are housed in a dilapidated house about 1/4 mile from our house. Their house and yard are a mess and they are very unfriendly. They get drunk all the time and ride their bikes around screaming in Spanish. One recently was found passed out drunk in a neighbors garage. He ran off before the cops came. We live in a quiet rural area. These guys cause 100% of the issues around here. We hear them on our road screaming at least 4 nights a week. Ive made it pretty clear to stay off our property, but I still worry when my wife is home alone.
Ok, racist rant over. :)
 
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Gotta wonder (especially in 2019) if the targeting of a fire arms manufacturer had anything to do with this raid. Just saying.
 
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Criticalt said:
Unrelated but I wish ICE would come clean out the dairy farm near us. You may remember my story of when the 2 illegals from Columbia doped a bunch of cows, ruined $200,000 worth of equipment, stole and crashed 2 cars from the dairy, then ended up in our ditch. Then walked up our driveway before turning around and walking down the road. They were drunk and high. They were both deported.
The farm is still employing illegals. About 15 of them are housed in a dilapidated house about 1/4 mile from our house. Their house and yard are a mess and they are very unfriendly. They get drunk all the time and ride their bikes around screaming in Spanish. One recently was found passed out drunk in a neighbors garage. He ran off before the cops came. We live in a quiet rural area. These guys cause 100% of the issues around here. We hear them on our road screaming at least 4 nights a week. Ive made it pretty clear to stay off our property, but I still worry when my wife is home alone.
Ok, racist rant over. :)
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That wasn't racist.
 
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"Bear Creek Arsenal said it is cooperating and added that "Homeland Security has confirmed that our Human Resource Department had complied with all laws, rules, and regulations in our hiring practices."

I thought companies are supposed to use E-Verify to confirm that prospective employees are eligible to work in the US. If BCA's HR department didn't do anything wrong, then something is off with the E-Verify check.
 
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Criticalt said:
Unrelated but I wish ICE would come clean out the dairy farm near us. You may remember my story of when the 2 illegals from Columbia doped a bunch of cows, ruined $200,000 worth of equipment, stole and crashed 2 cars from the dairy, then ended up in our ditch. Then walked up our driveway before turning around and walking down the road. They were drunk and high. They were both deported.
The farm is still employing illegals. About 15 of them are housed in a dilapidated house about 1/4 mile from our house. Their house and yard are a mess and they are very unfriendly. They get drunk all the time and ride their bikes around screaming in Spanish. One recently was found passed out drunk in a neighbors garage. He ran off before the cops came. We live in a quiet rural area. These guys cause 100% of the issues around here. We hear them on our road screaming at least 4 nights a week. Ive made it pretty clear to stay off our property, but I still worry when my wife is home alone.
Ok, racist rant over. :)
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Call ICE about it. I heard they raided a farm just north of me and removed people because they are illegals. Why let them make your life miserable when they don’t belong here in the first place. If they were great people and kept the place up, working hard minding their own business I’d say not worth it but that’s not the case. You’d think they would want to stay off everyone’s radar if they are illegals.
 
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Criticalt said:
Unrelated but I wish ICE would come clean out the dairy farm near us. You may remember my story of when the 2 illegals from Columbia doped a bunch of cows, ruined $200,000 worth of equipment, stole and crashed 2 cars from the dairy, then ended up in our ditch. Then walked up our driveway before turning around and walking down the road. They were drunk and high. They were both deported.
The farm is still employing illegals. About 15 of them are housed in a dilapidated house about 1/4 mile from our house. Their house and yard are a mess and they are very unfriendly. They get drunk all the time and ride their bikes around screaming in Spanish. One recently was found passed out drunk in a neighbors garage. He ran off before the cops came. We live in a quiet rural area. These guys cause 100% of the issues around here. We hear them on our road screaming at least 4 nights a week. Ive made it pretty clear to stay off our property, but I still worry when my wife is home alone.
Ok, racist rant over. :)
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The farmers around here use seasonal workers with H2A visas. Still plenty of illegals, just not on the farms. At least the seasonal farms.
 
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