Trump Looking to Redirect $3 Billion in Harvard Grants to U.S. Trade Schools

Bigfoot · May 27, 2025

Some obscure leftist Federal judge says, "You can't do that." In 3,2,1.

Bigfoot · May 27, 2025

Enough with the (considerations), just do it. From my perspective, anyway, the major universities are no longer turning out the best and brightest. They're turning out brainwashed America-hating future dumb ass terrorists.

Fuck the anti American, anti freedom, antisemitic, terrorist supporting universities.

President Trump has done some good things up to this point. IMO.
But I think he needs to take the fucking gloves off and go scorched Earth.

Saltwater60 · May 27, 2025

This one is a struggle for me. We need tradesmen 100% but does given a trade school equate to tradesmen?
now we have to look at the other side what would this do for research at Harvard? A quick google search does show some relevant findings from Harvard but honestly some are useless as I suspected.
Likely what is needed is a review of the grant approval process and not awarding them or others the money for useless studies. Likely what does the slavery and its impact on Harvard matter today? They are no longer using slaves and haven’t for 200+ years. Accept people based on merit and do a 100% blind interview process. Actually better yet just let AI do it and put no racial factors in it and this wouldn’t even be a thing. If Harvard followed federal laws on discrimination they wouldn’t be losing any funding.

spat · May 27, 2025

Bigfoot said:
Some obscure leftist Federal judge says, "You can't do that." In 3,2,1.

Unless congress specifically earmarked that money for Harvard it's going to be really hard to justify that ruling.

That's what Trump needs to do to counter that bullshit.

"Congress appropriated funds for LGBT comic books in Guatemala and the courts are forcing me to spend it, fine. We'll pay for anti-communist comic books with a gay protagonist."

Defilade · May 27, 2025

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Cavalry · May 28, 2025

Saltwater60 said:
This one is a struggle for me. We need tradesmen 100% but does given a trade school equate to tradesmen?

Trade school is usually far less money and in many cases less time in comparison to college. If they were serious about getting tradesman, they could come up with a list of needed trades and promote that by deferring the cost of school while one works the trade with complete forgiveness after 5 years working.

spat · May 28, 2025

Cavalry said:
Trade school is usually far less money and in many cases less time in comparison to college. If they were serious about getting tradesman, they could come up with a list of needed trades and promote that by deferring the cost of school while one works the trade with complete forgiveness after 5 years working.

A lot of employers will already do that.

I'm not saying that some financial aid wouldn't help, but trade school never had the financial barriers that 4 year colleges do.

The problem with 4 year colleges is that they've had a *very* successful 50 year marketing campaign that has convinced most of middle America that "if you have a degree you're better than people who don't".

People will pay through the nose to be "better" than their neighbors.

Employers have been convinced that the employee who went $200k in debt for a basket weaving degree is "better" than the kid with only a high school diploma.

Reverse that perception and the prices will come down.

Make 4 year college only for people who intend to pursue careers where it makes sense. Scientists, doctors, engineers, etc...

Saltwater60 · May 28, 2025

Cavalry said:
Trade school is usually far less money and in many cases less time in comparison to college. If they were serious about getting tradesman, they could come up with a list of needed trades and promote that by deferring the cost of school while one works the trade with complete forgiveness after 5 years working.

Agreed but would that increase enrollment if that’s the case? My kids are 18 and 21 and I know very few kids their ages going into trades. They are going to college at about a 60% rate, not going to school at about 30% and trades is about a 10% rate. Just like the military not many going in to that these days. My point is I don’t think it’s about the cost or money it’s that people don’t want to work hard for their money. There has been a deficit of tradesmen for a while now.

Saltwater60 · May 28, 2025

spat said:
A lot of employers will already do that.

I'm not saying that some financial aid wouldn't help, but trade school never had the financial barriers that 4 year colleges do.

The problem with 4 year colleges is that they've had a *very* successful 50 year marketing campaign that has convinced most of middle America that "if you have a degree you're better than people who don't".

People will pay through the nose to be "better" than their neighbors.

Employers have been convinced that the employee who went $200k in debt for a basket weaving degree is "better" than the kid with only a high school diploma.

Reverse that perception and the prices will come down.

Make 4 year college only for people who intend to pursue careers where it makes sense. Scientists, doctors, engineers, etc...

I’ll add part of the cost of college is they are not for profits so they spend every penny they take in. A college by me has a hand laid concrete block stone wall around the entire campus about 30” tall. I suspect this cost a million plus when it was done. It’s not for safety because you can easily climb over it. It was done to increase the eye appeal but raises tuition for sure. Now you need to mow grass around it and weed wacky around it that cost $10,000’s yearly to do this. Most colleges are like governments and will spend foolishly. Endowments are held for times of trouble and slush funds for stupid proponents. Many universities with their endowments could provide free college but won’t.

Cavalry · May 28, 2025

Saltwater60 said:
Agreed but would that increase enrollment if that’s the case? My kids are 18 and 21 and I know very few kids their ages going into trades. They are going to college at about a 60% rate, not going to school at about 30% and trades is about a 10% rate. Just like the military not many going in to that these days. My point is I don’t think it’s about the cost or money it’s that people don’t want to work hard for their money. There has been a deficit of tradesmen for a while now.

Societal failures aside, The Fed has all sorts of means to incentivize whatever they want. Getting everyone on the same page is the problem.

I just do not get the resistance. I cannot hire competent techs for any amount of money. I know guys in many, many fields, that are making $80-$100k+, not killing themself with overtime just because they know a trade. How many 4 year degrees put you at 6 figures within 5-7 years?

Zerex · May 28, 2025

The next war, will likely be centered among the elite colleges, who will create the new Weathermen, as Scott Pelley has encouraged........................to destroy the MAGA universe like
Bill Ayers tried......cutting off funds for bomb making materials, is just as start.

Weather Underground Bombings | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The radical Weather Underground launched a bombing campaign across the United States beginning in the late 1960s.

www.fbi.gov

RedBreast21 · May 31, 2025

I like how Trump enlightens Americans on matters that were basically ignored for decades by all administrations. I'm not sure the Obama administration could make an argument in support of 3+ billion to a private for profit educational entity who currently has a 53 billion dollar endowment. That's a tough socialist sell. On top of that, Harvard accepts foreign money from countries like China and we are to believe there are no strings attached for that money?
I haven't heard one leftist side with Harvard on this. I bring it up with lefties and the conversation ends. Then they deflect to the MSNBC/CNN talking points which of course I am happy to take up. :beer:

Trump Looking to Redirect $3 Billion in Harvard Grants to U.S. Trade Schools

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