Police involved shooting in Buffalo/Cheektowaga. Interesting video

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First the chick is stupid for standing in front of the door as she did.
Second the moron cop that sees the door starting to split and pushes on it to break it then says oh I was just trying to knock on the door. No one knocks on a door like that.
The shooting is not a bad shoot but I’m not sure if they had the cause to breakdown the door. Dude is probably mentally ill not that these cops would know that but the entry is questionable at best. This is who we’re dealing with. None of the three said hey wait maybe we can’t just bust this guys door in, but maybe they had the probable cause to do so.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
First the chick is stupid for standing in front of the door as she did.
Second the moron cop that sees the door starting to split and pushes on it to break it then says oh I was just trying to knock on the door. No one knocks on a door like that.
The shooting is not a bad shoot but I’m not sure if they had the cause to breakdown the door. Dude is probably mentally ill not that these cops would know that but the entry is questionable at best. This is who we’re dealing with. None of the three said hey wait maybe we can’t just bust this guys door in, but maybe they had the probable cause to do so.
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Of course they had cause to break down the door.. 100% they did.
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That female cop shouldn't be out on the street, desk duty only maybe a meter maid but thats it!
I also have a problem with the door, the first cop tried the handle (did they have a warrant?) then breaking it, yeah it was flimsy but still.
The guy got shot because he was stupid and asked for it.
 
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That female cop shouldn't be out on the street, desk duty only maybe a meter maid but thats it!
I also have a problem with the door, the first cop tried the handle (did they have a warrant?) then breaking it, yeah it was flimsy but still.
The guy got shot because he was stupid and asked for it.
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Yes, they had a warrant.
 
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Last cops "door knock" definitely suspicious as hell lol, but in the end, good shoot. Cops were lucky to not be injured, and perp should have just answered the damn door. Stupid games, stupid prize.
 
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repete said:
That female cop shouldn't be out on the street, desk duty only maybe a meter maid but thats it!
I also have a problem with the door, the first cop tried the handle (did they have a warrant?) then breaking it, yeah it was flimsy but still.
The guy got shot because he was stupid and asked for it.
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Just wait. Most agencies are signed on to the "30 by 30" DEI program
They want Police Departments to be 30% female by 2030.

If you saw what we've been hiring you'd be disgusted.
 
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Female cop kinda cute, but she's probably gaining a point or two from the uniform. She's useless at best as an actual cop... all I saw her doing was standing in the wrong spots and running around with her hands in the air like she saw a mouse. I didn't see her service weapon out at all.

Breaking through the door was obviously deliberate and wrong. The cop wasn't even trying to hide it... his half-assed "oops" was clearly BS.

Shoot itself was good, but the actions that led up to it are not, and possibly even criminal.
 
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Yes, they had a warrant.
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Then why did they sit there and screw around for so long knocking on anything and everything to try to get him to open the door. I’m not disputing they had a warrant but seems odd the cop would say oh I was just trying to knock on the door and look what happened if they had a warrant. Opening the door the stupid way he did almost got him stabbed.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Then why did they sit there and screw around for so long knocking on anything and everything to try to get him to open the door. I’m not disputing they had a warrant but seems odd the cop would say oh I was just trying to knock on the door and look what happened if they had a warrant. Opening the door the stupid way he did almost got him stabbed.
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I heard on interweb, which means I could be completely wrong, that warrant was issued after this incident took place.
 
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Holy Hell, just watched again with my glasses, and on a bigger screen. This should be a training video of what NOT to do. On top of the female nearly getting killed, she's standing directly in front of door with her back to it while shooting the breeze with #1 cop outside, then almost runs into crossfire. She's really lucky to have come out of this unscathed.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Of course they had cause to break down the door.. 100% they did.
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Says they filed for a warrant. Doesn't say they had one.

And trying to stretch "exigent circumstances" out from an incident 2 days earlier is going to be quite a stretch.

If they didn't have a warrant, or exigent circumstances, people have mounted a successful defense for shooting cops who broke in without either.

They are very lucky. If the warrant didn't actually exist at the time the door got kicked in, they could have ended up dead and the guy who killed them walking free.
 
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Says they filed for a warrant. Doesn't say they had one.

And trying to stretch "exigent circumstances" out from an incident 2 days earlier is going to be quite a stretch.

If they didn't have a warrant, or exigent circumstances, people have mounted a successful defense for shooting cops who broke in without either.

They are very lucky. If the warrant didn't actually exist at the time the door got kicked in, they could have ended up dead and the guy who killed them walking free.
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When all is said and done, a warrant with the correct date and time will be in hand!
 
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Rocpo said:
Just wait. Most agencies are signed on to the "30 by 30" DEI program
They want Police Departments to be 30% female by 2030.

If you saw what we've been hiring you'd be disgusted.
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Oh, that just freakin great, I live in Rochester and ya gotta tell me that?
 
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spat said:
That sounds like a lot of people are taking a very big risk to make that happen then.

If the homeowner has a good lawyer and someone missed a small detail, a lot of people could be looking at a prison sentence.
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Don't know, maybe I can see a lawsuit. While I don't think this search was handled as well as it should have been, this is 100% a justifiable shooting. Can't see anybody going to jail here, just some tough lessons learned.
 
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Jem45472 said:
Don't know, maybe I can see a lawsuit. While I don't think this search was handled as well as it should have been, this is 100% a justifiable shooting. Can't see anybody going to jail here, just some tough lessons learned.
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I think he was implying that a warrant would show up, with appropriate dates and times on it whether there was one actually signed when they broke down the door or not.

That's what I was referring to. People fraudulently backdating documents to justify the activity are risking prison time to cover someone else's ass.

Especially if the homeowner had shot someone breaking in, and then claimed it was justified because the officers they shot were committing a home invasion at the time.

Imagine if they had cooked up a warrant for this after the fact ? Everyone involved that knew the warrant was fraudulent could be on the hook for murder.

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Jem45472 said:
Don't know, maybe I can see a lawsuit. While I don't think this search was handled as well as it should have been, this is 100% a justifiable shooting. Can't see anybody going to jail here, just some tough lessons learned.
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Agreed. The question will be should this have happened?
 
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spat said:
I think he was implying that a warrant would show up, with appropriate dates and times on it whether there was one actually signed when they broke down the door or not.

That's what I was referring to. People fraudulently backdating documents to justify the activity are risking prison time to cover someone else's ass.

Especially if the homeowner had shot someone breaking in, and then claimed it was justified because the officers they shot were committing a home invasion at the time.

Imagine if they had cooked up a warrant for this after the fact ? Everyone involved that knew the warrant was fraudulent could be on the hook for murder.

Man who shot, killed Burleson County deputy serving time for drug charges Man who shot, killed Burleson County deputy serving time for drug charges
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I think that you already know, I am okay with the warrants showing up after the fact.

They were attacked by a known bad guy, the bad guy lost.

I am okay with the end result.
 
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I think that you already know, I am okay with the warrants showing up after the fact.

They were attacked by a known bad guy, the bad guy lost.

I am okay with the end result.
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And I think that people who betray the public trust that has been given to them are the worst sorts of criminals.

The drug dealer or murderer never asked me to trust him before he committed his crimes.

Kicking someone's front door down and attacking them should generally be met with immediate deadly force.

We, as a society, have agreed to allow some specific people do to that under some specific circumstances. If they stray from those circumstances that betrayal of trust is almost certainly worse than whatever the guy behind the door did.

For some reason a lot of people seem to think that their status as government employees means they should get a pass when they violate some laws. It is exactly the opposite. As an agent of the government they should be held to a much higher standard.

Your attitude is *exactly* the same one that lets the agents of the deep state violate the public trust and then tell themselves that is "for the greater good".

Everyone involved in falsifying a search warrant should get mandatory 20 years, no parole. From the guy who put the wrong date to anyone who knew *or should have known* it was false.

Yes, that's a worse crime than being a serial killer.

Because a serial killer is a threat to some people, but not to society in general. Corrupt public officials are a threat to all of society.

Oh, and you seem to be mistaken about who initiated the attack. He may be a bad guy, be he isn't the one kicking in someone's door.

If you don't have a valid warrant or legitimate exigent circumstances, then you are not exercising legitimate police powers. At that point you are just another street gang.
 
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Wow!
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The only difference between police and a street gang is the rule of law.

If the police abandon that, then they *are* the bad guys that should get what they have coming to them.

If they didn't have a legitimate warrant *at the time*, they they *are* the bad guys here. You can't correct that after the fact.
 
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