Justice Department Considering Ban on Transgendered People Owning Firearms

Zerex · Thursday at 12:34 PM

Bruce Jenner may be fucked.

tirwin1 · Thursday at 12:59 PM

If the government can claim a group like transgenders are mentally ill and then ban them from owning guns, why can't a democratic administration claim a group (hunters, conservatives, ex-military, etc....) are mentally ill and then ban them frow owning guns?

FWIW I do think transgender people are mentally ill and I do think there is merit to the argument they shouldn't own guns. I just can't see how applying a ban to them won't come back to bite us when the democrats return to power.

fresch · Thursday at 1:10 PM

1776
Mad as a hatter. The boys knew crazy.

Just start holding people accountable for the actions they take. We have laws about laws about laws why more.
If during court it is found out you are a murderer and "tranz" , then you will be sentenced for murder; oh and by the way your "tranz".
Kinda like hate crime, people doing crime don't do it to others because they like them. Sentence them for the crime, he isn't more deader because the murderer hated,

FP1201 · Thursday at 1:25 PM

livingston said:
Justice Department Considering Ban on Transgendered People Owning Firearms
Senior officials at the U.S. Department of Justice have held multiple meetings in recent days to consider a possible federal ban of transgendered individuals from owning firearms, Breitbart News has learned.

This legal question of banning firearm ownership for transgendered individuals would focus on whether these people suffering from gender dysphoria are in fact mentally ill and therefore should be denied firearm ownership while they are unstable and unwell. It would be a major escalation to see the federal government curtail Second Amendment protections for a big group of people, but in the case of transgendered people it is a place that many believe makes sense, which is why some top conservatives, such as Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk, have said the government should do this.
While any decision is not yet final, the fact these meetings are happening seems to suggest there may be movement inside the Justice Department under Attorney General Pam Bondi towards taking some kind of step here.

Justice Department Considering Ban on Transgendered People Owning Firearms

Senior officials at the U.S. Department of Justice have held multiple meetings in recent days to consider a possible federal ban of transgendered individuals from owning firearms, Breitbart News has learned.

www.breitbart.com

Well if we're going to take Citizens Second Amendment Right on the basis of a subjective preposition then we may as well take all of their Rights, and eventually as all Government overreach turns into expansiveness it turns into a slippery slope right into a Pit full of Shit.
I don't care for "trans" people nor condone their life choices, but those choices are theirs and so long as they do not break the Laws of man then those Rights MUST BE held sacred and reserved by the Citizens of America.
* I removed "the Almighty" because God will deal with those problems, the rest we might have to forward via express service.

CaseHardened · Thursday at 7:07 PM

I know it's a bad idea. And hope it never happens.

Gender Dystopia used to bother me, mostly, because children were groomed into it. And using drugs and surgeries on a person under 18 should be prosecuted.

But after these mass murders of children, any sympathy I had ever had for Gender Dystopia individuals is long gone.

Take their guns away.

CaseHardened · Thursday at 7:10 PM

tirwin1 said:
If the government can claim a group like transgenders are mentally ill and then ban them from owning guns, why can't a democratic administration claim a group (hunters, conservatives, ex-military, etc....) are mentally ill and then ban them frow owning guns?

FWIW I do think transgender people are mentally ill and I do think there is merit to the argument they shouldn't own guns. I just can't see how applying a ban to them won't come back to bite us when the democrats return to power.

Actually. I fully expect Democrat Communists to decide Christians are insane, Muslims not, Trans not.

Because unless we stop them, THEY CAN.

Vinson57 · Thursday at 7:18 PM

Let the leftist commies fight the constitutional battle on this as it something they normally will not do.

Criticalt · Thursday at 7:19 PM

This has bad idea written all over it. Its just a matter of time before ALL groups are considered mentally ill.
How about this.......
You can be involuntary committed to a looney bin if you're a danger to yourself or others.
I believe chopping your dick or tits off puts you in the "danger to yourself" category.
Other than that, we just gotta wait until they snap. As is often said around here,
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Just stay aware of 6'2 250 pound chick's while you're out and about.

Saltwater60 · Thursday at 8:03 PM

I have mixed feelings on this. Thinking you can change your gender is clearly a mental illness but as others have said the next administration will consider those who voted for Trump mentally ill and we will loose our gun rights.

OwnTheRide · Thursday at 8:27 PM

Bad, bad, bad idea. The only people who should be restricted from possessing firearms are people who are incarcerated.

dsdmmat · Thursday at 8:40 PM

Totally agree this is not only a bad idea it is unconstitutional. if you are on the streets you have the right to be armed to defend yourself and your family. If you are too dangerous to the public to be armed you are too dangerous to the public to be on the streets.

GOPerfect · Thursday at 8:44 PM

Any person that supports this, does NOT support the 2A. Period.

SonOfSun · Thursday at 9:11 PM

To quote Mitch McConnell: “You’ll regret this. And you may regret it a lot sooner than you think.”

Darth · Thursday at 9:14 PM

Pay close attention. People on this purported pro 2A forum are advocating for stronger gun control than we've seen in any capacity by either party.

This is why i can't run far enough away from "the right" just like the left.

No thank you.

spat · Thursday at 9:46 PM

Implementing this is a terrible idea.

But forcing the left to mount the legal fight to prevent it could be genius.

Pass the law, then let them spend tons of money running it up to SCOTUS and setting precedents that will prevent anything like it in the future.

Specifically structure the government case so that SCOTUS needs to rule that you can't deny anyone the RKBA without a conviction at trial and only for the duration of their incarceration.

Cooolone · Thursday at 11:14 PM

Simple concept...

*SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED*

Don't have to like it, but there shall be no creation of separation, of establishment of classes, in order to exercise a Right! This includes sexual preferences or other fringe characteristics as defined or attempting to be defined by the Federal Govt!

Rights aren't given to us by the Govt, period!

Mosinitis · Thursday at 11:47 PM

Stupid idea.

Celt · Friday at 5:48 AM

tirwin1 said:
If the government can claim a group like transgenders are mentally ill and then ban them from owning guns, why can't a democratic administration claim a group (hunters, conservatives, ex-military, etc....) are mentally ill and then ban them frow owning guns?

FWIW I do think transgender people are mentally ill and I do think there is merit to the argument they shouldn't own guns. I just can't see how applying a ban to them won't come back to bite us when the democrats return to power.

100% this would be used against other "groups" of people. When the left is in power again they will deem anyone who opposes them as mentally unfit!

Drinkthekoolaid · Friday at 6:38 AM

If you can limit trans right to own guns, those rules won't stop there on 1 singular group. 100% will be expanded and abused when Dems get back in power. I am against this because I don't like the precedent it would set. Rights matter.

Bustedknees · Friday at 6:47 AM

I'm waiting for Chuckie Shumers big speech fighting for gun rights.

thughes · Friday at 8:43 AM

spat said:
Implementing this is a terrible idea.

But forcing the left to mount the legal fight to prevent it could be genius.

Pass the law, then let them spend tons of money running it up to SCOTUS and setting precedents that will prevent anything like it in the future.

Specifically structure the government case so that SCOTUS needs to rule that you can't deny anyone the RKBA without a conviction at trial and only for the duration of their incarceration.

This ^

I'd love to see them make an argument that it's unconstitutional to prohibit a whole class of people from exercising a Constitutional Right, based solely upon the actions of a few members of that class. :evil:

Saltwater60 · Friday at 8:45 AM

Also what gives the justice department the legal authority to do this? That should be the scariest statement on here.

dwa12479 · Friday at 12:46 PM

The sarcastic, petty side of me says "Sounds like common sense gun control to me..." lol. I just want to see the leftists lose their minds and actually defend tbe 2A for once. I cant WAIT to hear the double speak on this one. This might be the infringement we need to get a case before SCOTUS.

In all seriousness though, I will never be ok with government declaring a right void of a particular group on a whim. Bad bad idea, very much the start of a slippery slope.

Acer-m14 · Friday at 4:52 PM

Well they take the guns away from VA vets that don't want to balance their checking account

and would rather have someone else do it ..

they opened the doorway , use it ..

I think is funny as hell they are going after the trans like this and while they are at they

might as well ban the 1A and Voting too from the Trans ..

Git er Done ..

LMAO The Left Fighting Against Gun Control ., ..

OwnTheRide · Friday at 6:28 PM

dwa12479 said:
very much the start of a slippery slope.

It's not the start, it's a continuation of the path down the slippery slope we are already on:

1. See the question about "involuntary commitment" on the 4473.
2. See the SAFE act giving the state the ability to look into your medical records to determine whether or not to allow you to own firearms.
3. Red Flag laws
4. Accusations of domestic abuse
5. Orders of protection

...so on and so forth...

Tisto · Friday at 6:32 PM

I have to wonder if this isn't just a ruse to get the left all tied in knots and exposed all in one act.

Defilade · Friday at 6:39 PM

Zerex said:
Bruce Jenner may be fucked.

Oh I'm sure he has been fucked.

RedBreast21 · Friday at 6:55 PM

I don't believe in creating the "slippery slope". This is a trojan horse for the more mentally challenged in the 2A community. :beer:

Justice Department Considering Ban on Transgendered People Owning Firearms

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