Trump admin is DEFENDING the archaic National Firearms Act of 1934

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When SCOTUS decides a case, that is it..................no popular vote on it.

Laws can be Constitutional, or un constitutional...SCOTUS decides...........

Ghost guns are kaput now, for the most part..............the Vanderstock decision on the frame and receiver RULE is now law.

This Keeps the commies/Hamas/Antifa, from easily arming themselves..........easily arming themselves...................the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself, and keeping the scum disarmed, is good.


The Dems intend to pack the Court so that the 2nd may be erased entirely.

Our Republic is the best we can do..............a Parliamentary form of popular democracy, like in England and Canada is a FLOP..............GOV'TS there fall all the time.

The commie Dems here believe that their protests should make the Trump Gov't fall......
 
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When SCOTUS decides a case, that is it..................no popular vote on it.

Laws can be Constitutional, or un constitutional...SCOTUS decides...........

Ghost guns are kaput now, for the most part..............the Vanderstock decision on the frame and receiver RULE is now law.

This Keeps the commies/Hamas/Antifa, from easily arming themselves..........easily arming themselves...................the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself, and keeping the scum disarmed, is good.


The Dems intend to pack the Court so that the 2nd may be erased entirely.

Our Republic is the best we can do..............a Parliamentary form of popular democracy, like in England and Canada is a FLOP..............GOV'TS there fall all the time.

The commie Dems here believe that their protests should make the Trump Gov't fall......
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I put the Constitution over any Judge period! We can all read it as putting faith in man will get you nowhere. Ask the retards that put their Faith in Lord Fauci.
 
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Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’​

President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence

Its ironic that people frame Trump as Right vs left. as he is a lifelong ,liberal democrap surrounded by pedophiles and intimate friends with the Clinton's, and his fans are not sophisticated (or authentic) enough to see how he played them and mocks them daily.
Its frightening how naive people are, then again look at how many that fell for the covid hoax and death jabs, and the father of the clotshot still stands by the worst ongoing genocide in America that he made possible and brags about to this very day.

The Uni party wins , while clowns take the bait and point fingers, its the oldest scam on Earth, divide and conquer.

The Government gets in regardless of who you think you voted for, wake up people, its the transnational corporations and banskters since before your grandparents were born, POTUS and Congress critters are low level janitors keeping you hooked on hopium. 1764181222563.png
 
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Trump's Former Spiritual Advisor Walks With 6 Months After Abusing A 12-Year-Old Girl​

Robert Morris, once on Donald Trump's evangelical advisory board, pleads guilty to child sexual abuse dating from the 1980s​

In a shocking fall from grace, Robert Morris, a former spiritual adviser to US President Donald Trump, has pleaded guilty to sexually abusing a 12-year-old girl, but will only serve just six months in jail.

Morris, the founder and long-standing senior pastor of Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas, admitted in court in Oklahoma that he committed 'lewd or indecent acts' with a minor in the early 1980s.

The victim, now 55-year-old Cindy Clemishire, says the abuse began in 1982, when Morris was a 21-year-old travelling evangelist staying with her family. The abuse allegedly continued for four years.


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Trump administration shields Israeli official charged with child sex crime​

The US government is denying that it helped a senior Israeli official leave the country after his arrest on a serious child sex crime charge.

And on Monday, the Israeli-born top US federal prosector in Nevada confirmed that she is declining to prosecute the official, leaving the matter instead to local authorities – a sign the US is trying to downplay the matter and shield Israel and the accused pedophile from the consequences.

“The Department of State is aware that Tom Artiom Alexandrovich, an Israeli citizen, was arrested in Las Vegas and given a court date for charges related to soliciting sex electronically from a minor,” the US foreign ministry’s Near Eastern Affairs bureau posted on Twitter/X on Monday.

“He did not claim diplomatic immunity and was released by a state judge pending a court date. Any claims that the US government intervened are false,” the State Department added.


Israeli-born US prosecutor appointed by Trump​

And in a further twist on Monday, Sigal Chattah, the acting US attorney – the top federal prosecutor for Nevada – confirmed that Alexandrovich was arrested in an “important multi-agency operation” that “targeted child sex predators who preyed upon the most vulnerable members of our communities.”

“As a result of the operation, the Clark County District Attorney’s Office is handling the prosecution,” Chattah added.

This signals that the federal government is washing its hands of the matter – leaving Alexandrovich to be prosecuted at the state level.

The US Department of Justice can and does file federal charges in such cases – especially when federal agencies are involved in a sting – but has, for some reason, chosen not to do so in this one.

A federal prosecution would carry much more force, especially if Alexandrovich refuses to return from Israel to the US.

Now a US federal official, Chattah is an Israeli-born lawyer who has been politically active with Zionist organizations, including the Israeli-American Council, a lobby group funded by pro-Israel tycoons Adam Milstein and Sheldon and Miriam Adelson.

Last month, more than 100 retired judges signed a letter objecting to President Donald Trump’s appointment of Chattah, calling her unqualified and citing “her well-documented history of racist remarks, conspiracy theories and threats of violence.”

Chattah has previously called for Israel to “wipe Gaza off the map” and labeled the entire population there “terrorists” and “animals.” 1764181858058.png
 
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Getting back to the topic this thread was about, perhaps the people screaming need to stop and consider a few things... spend twenty minutes listening to someone who has actually litigated cases in front of SCOTUS.
 
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the Constitution is not a suicide pact
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hmm..... Who else keeps saying this kind of shit?

Oh yea, all of the Democrats.

Our Founding Fathers understood that people have to be responsible primarily for their own defense and the defense of their Country.
I'm sure they knew that there was the possibility of a person using their arms for nefarious purposes, but felt it was an acceptable compromise so that those who didn't could defend themselves.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, this is true. It is a declaration that our government is NOT allowed to infringe on our Right to defend ourselves, even if it is our own government we must defend ourselves from.
But, so far, only one side has been trying to use this phrase as a means to undermine those very Rights our forefathers felt was so important.

Thank you for showing which side you support.
 
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This is too hard to understand?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

1) It starts with A well regulated Militia, (comma) so a group of we the people.

2) Next being necessary to the security of a free state, (comma) land / boundaries are incapable of anything, so therefore the free State is the freedom of we the people being located in the boundaries of the U.S.A. not the state of NY/PA/etc land;

3) Next, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, could mean it's ok to have meat limbs hanging off your body OR any weapon and can also have it on your person.

4) Lastly, shall not be infringed, means just what it states.

In wrapping up, it is #1 the people, #2 the people, #3 the people, #4 the people; NOT #1 the State, #2 the State, #3 the person, #4 the State.

Now writing it in terms more understandable:
The people, needing to be secure in a State of freedom (not land), can have and carry anything they want, the government can't do anything about it.

Yet, lawyers and carpet baggers will try.
 
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A well REGULATED militia meant "well equipped", in the vernacular of the day...........guns horses, uniforms, provisions.

A militia.............. did NOT include.. women indians, tories, criminals, the deranged, slaves, Brits and other undesirables of the day...they could not serve in the militia.

The 4473 weeds out 20 million felons in the USA today from gun ownership. It ain;lt 1790 anymore.

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A well REGULATED militia meant "well equipped", in the vernacular of the day...........guns horses, uniforms, provisions.

A militia.............. did NOT include.. women indians, tories, criminals, the deranged, slaves, Brits and other undesirables of the day...they could not serve in the militia.

The 4473 weeds out 20 million felons in the USA today from gun ownership. It ain;lt 1790 anymore.

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Unfortunately for that line of thinking, the 2A says nothing of the rights of the militia.
 
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The militia has been addressed in Heller and McDonald.

Such militia men, are under control of their commanding officers, and the Gov of that state...rights are to obey orders.

The Whiskey Rebellion, is an example, as is Shays rebellion, by sovereigns of the day also regarding taxes. They lost..............same as pissing and moaning about SCOTUS decisions today.

At the Fed level..no one is prohibited from owning any Class 3 weapon or AW.............


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Zerex said:
The militia has been addressed in Heller and McDonald.

Such militia men, are under control of their commanding officers, and the Gov of that state...rights are to obey orders.

The Whiskey Rebellion, is an example, as is Shays rebellion, by sovereigns of the day also regarding taxes. They lost..............same as pissing and moaning about SCOTUS decisions today.

At the Fed level..no one is prohibited from owning any Class 3 weapon or AW.............


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Citing the decisions of a court that has gotten so much wrong in the past isn't convincing.

The 2A says what it says, regardless of who says otherwise. No amount of pagentry or appeals to authority will change that.

On top of that, the 2A just *recognizes* the *fundamental human right* to defend yourself and your loved ones, and to have the means to do so. The 2A doesn't define the right, and the right would exist no matter what.

People living in England, or even North Korea have as much of an RKBA as we do. The fact that their governments infringe that right doesn't change it. It's merely an indictment of those governments.
 
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Citing the decisions of a court that has gotten so much wrong in the past isn't convincing.

The 2A says what it says, regardless of who says otherwise. No amount of pagentry or appeals to authority will change that.

On top of that, the 2A just *recognizes* the *fundamental human right* to defend yourself and your loved ones, and to have the means to do so. The 2A doesn't define the right, and the right would exist no matter what.

People living in England, or even North Korea have as much of an RKBA as we do. The fact that their governments infringe that right doesn't change it. It's merely an indictment of those governments.
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This explains your post very well.

Maybe a couple other people will watch this and understand. Maybe not.
 
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SCOTUS, is your boss.
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NO.

That is the antithesis of everything the US stands for.

*THE PEOPLE* are the boss. The government, to include SCOTUS, exists for the sole reason of safeguarding the rights of the people.

When they get it wrong, it is "the right of the people to alter or abolish" that government. That right includes everything from voting them out, to straight up shooting the bastards if that's what it takes.

That was *explicitly* stated in both the Declaration of Independence and the US constitution.

So, no, SCOTUS isn't the boss of anyone *except* the government.
 
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I asked Grok to review infringement from after 1776 to today that the founding fathers would have revolted again, it came back with ~5 times but current time is the worst. It stated that the constant waiting on the courts, payments to individuals for infringement wouldn't be tolerated. Most things the gov is/has been doing called for stern actions.
Guess modern man is mostly girlymen.
 
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The Dec Ind is not a law..............."We the people"...................the fucking rabble of the day.............voted to become a Republic under the Consititution...............the people voted for the 3 branches of Gov't long ago, and the SCOTUS is the arbiter of Fed laws and many state laws, where the supremacy clause is violated.

The Social Contract dictates gov't supremacy, collectively.

Have at it with your rebellion.............not much support today for such, except among leftists who want a form of Gov't............... to get free shit.


Yep, the SCOTUS is your boss.
 
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Zerex said:
SCOTUS, is your boss.
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That is unfortunately what our system has become. That is most definitely NOT the way it was designed. There are supposed to be 3 equal branches of government. But the legislative has ceded their power to the other two. The left has weaponized the supreme Court as the final ultimate authority and that's why every confirmation hearing is all out war. They want a country ruled by 9 people as stupid and pliable as ketani Brown Jackson, a DMV clerk impersonating a supreme court Justice.
 
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That is unfortunately what our system has become. That is most definitely NOT the way it was designed. There are supposed to be 3 equal branches of government. But the legislative has ceded their power to the other two. The left has weaponized the supreme Court as the final ultimate authority and that's why every confirmation hearing is all out war. They want a country ruled by 9 people as stupid and pliable as ketani Brown Jackson, a DMV clerk impersonating a supreme court Justice.
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...and kept compliant by rights violating LEO's that follow orders without thinking.
 
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The Dec Ind is not a law..............."We the people"...................the fucking rabble of the day.............voted to become a Republic under the Consititution...............the people voted for the 3 branches of Gov't long ago, and the SCOTUS is the arbiter of Fed laws and many state laws, where the supremacy clause is violated.

The Social Contract dictates gov't supremacy, collectively.

Have at it with your rebellion.............not much support today for such, except among leftists who want a form of Gov't............... to get free shit.


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USSR; Politburo: USA; Supreme Court
Is that what you are trying to say? Well, no, the people are the final arbiter and they will come to a day of reckoning. It won't be pretty, it never is, but they will get there.
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Given the Left's autonomic position of diametrically opposing anything President Trump supports or does, yes I hope he champions the NFA of 1934, and when he's been beaten, then he can go after the GCA of '68 and the Hughes amendment of '86.
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The Dec Ind is not a law..............."We the people"...................the fucking rabble of the day.............voted to become a Republic under the Consititution...............the people voted for the 3 branches of Gov't long ago, and the SCOTUS is the arbiter of Fed laws and many state laws, where the supremacy clause is violated.

The Social Contract dictates gov't supremacy, collectively.

Have at it with your rebellion.............not much support today for such, except among leftists who want a form of Gov't............... to get free shit.


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So, you're saying power is legitimacy and that's it ?

There is a social contract in the US, and it derives from the declaration of independence. If the principles enshrined in it are violated, then there is no legitimacy for the government that has resulted.

Or, do you think Al Capone was the legitimate government of Chicago because he was the one with the power ?

Without *real* legitimacy, then there is no moral nor ethical obligation to follow the law, only the fear of consequences. Whatever you can get away with is good.

Murder, rape, theft, all fine if you don't get caught, is that what you're saying ?
 
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Regarding the rights of the militia:

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A plan for the general arrangement of the militia of the United States. : United States. War Department : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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G Washington was deeply involved in detailing the organization and duties an dlikely "rights" of the militia of the day.

There were only 2.3 million people in the 13 Colonies and slightly more when the Constitution was ratified.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself...........rights........... to allow its destruction by armed leftists, building ghost guns, is why SCOTUS can realize a threat, and hinder it, while will allowing people in free states to own any weapon.
 
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Regarding the rights of the militia:

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A plan for the general arrangement of the militia of the United States. : United States. War Department : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

26, [2] p. ; 33 cm. (fol.)
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G Washington was deeply involved in detailing the organization and duties an dlikely "rights" of the militia of the day.

There were only 2.3 million people in the 13 Colonies and slightly more when the Constitution was ratified.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself...........rights........... to allow its destruction by armed leftists, building ghost guns, is why SCOTUS can realize a threat, and hinder it, while will allowing people in free states to own any weapon.
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No Infringements period! There, Ended that conversation.
 
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You keep saying "The Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself". WTF does that even mean?

Are you honestly trying to claim that Rights can be subject to infringement due to misuse by people? So, if a person or group says something I don't like I can get the .gov to block their 1st Amendment Rights?

And just HOW is SCOTUS supposed to stop person A from exercising their 2A while still letting person B have freedom under that same 2A?
 
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You keep saying "The Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself". WTF does that even mean?

Are you honestly trying to claim that Rights can be subject to infringement due to misuse by people? So, if a person or group says something I don't like I can get the .gov to block their 1st Amendment Rights?

And just HOW is SCOTUS supposed to stop person A from exercising their 2A while still letting person B have freedom under that same 2A?
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The answer lies in Justices (both liberal and conservative) that legislate based on their opinion of societal needs (in their opinion) and disguising it as "Constitutional" or not. Even the Black DMV Clerk that was appointed because of her Race and Gender can easily read and understand what the Second Amendment says and means, but that just won't do in today's climate, so they play gymnastics with words, ignored by omission, or outright misrepresented instead of applying Laws against the very Document all must be in compliance with. Look back at all the SCOTUS Cases revolving around Firearms: Applied against the simple language of the Second, they never should have been written in the first place and at the very least nullified by the Courts, but nooo, they want to find on feelings or what they think the People should be allowed....Look at how many open questions are left by each Ruling, worst of all seems to be decisions made without a genuine understanding of the Subject; I've watched and listened to Justices ask generalize and uninformed questions only to get bullshit answers that speak much, but say little.

As for the First being infringed on because someone in power or speaking loudly enough, I believe that happens all the time...sure as shit happened with the covid fiasco, which was an experiment to determine how far we could be pushed and how much control over the people could be exercised before we pushed back hard.
 
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We are a free and pluralistic society, governed by the Constitution in the form of an elected representative Republic.

None can set up their own interpretation of the Constitution, except sovereign citizens who try.

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The Income Tax, was ratified by the 16th Amendment, voted on by the entire rabble of the day.............. to fuck you in the future.

SCOTUS says the 16th is legal, as is the Social Security Act, Medicare, Medicaid, The Federal Highway Administration, the EPA, the ATF, the FBI, Postal Service, DHS, NRO/NSA and 1500 other Federal agencies, Bureaus, Offices, Administrations, Services, Laboratories, etc etc.
 
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