Protests in Iran evolving into an insurrection

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What Makes the Iranian Protests Different This Time​


"The protests are being met by brutal crackdowns: the population was already enraged. Social freedom has been extremely limited since the regime came to power and particularly in the past couple of decades"

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What Makes the Iranian Protests Different This Time

Unrest has spread across the Islamic Republic as it faces economic disaster at home and a profound weakening of its network of regional allies.
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"The main thing that is important to keep in mind, and this is a significant change, is that it has become essentially impossible for the majority of the population to make ends meet. I don’t mean just the working classes or the lower classes. Even the majority of the middle class, who were still able to cover the cost of living until last year, are almost completely paralyzed at the moment."
 
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Shah was installed by the British and the U.S. in 1953 after they staged a regime change against democratically elected leader of Iran.

In 1979 shah was overthrown and fled for his life to the U.S.

Iranian students took over American embassy, held hostages and demanded his return to stand trial.

Now U.S. wants to install his son. WTF?
 
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Normally I oppose foreign intervention. It rarely works out well.

But we've already opened the door, more than once, in Iran. And we did not start this fight. It began in 1979.

Apprehend or kill the Ayatollah and his family.
 
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Immigrant communities in the U.S. are not a true representation of Iranian population. The son of deposed Shah is as popular there as venereal disease. No matter who seizes power over there, they are not going to be friendly to the West, and for good reason.
People who push for this regime change just need a conflict and war to profit from, the outcome is not important. Booooooooo.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Shah was installed by the British and the U.S. in 1953 after they staged a regime change against democratically elected leader of Iran.

In 1979 shah was overthrown and fled for his life to the U.S.

Iranian students took over American embassy, held hostages and demanded his return to stand trial.

Now U.S. wants to install his son. WTF?
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Seems to be a recurrent theme: Happened in Russia and the Czar, Iran, China, South Africa, the United States...
 
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Mosinitis said:
Governments change, but monarchy doesn't come back.
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Governments DO change, problem is the new one is often ill-considered if considered at all.
The United States has survived as long as it has because highly intelligent Men laid out a well though out plan.

"ok we caught it, now what the fuck are we going to do with it?...it's pissed and will kill us all of it gets the chance."
 
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The Times of Israel is reporting -

US President Donald Trump will offer brief remarks regarding the ongoing protests in Iran during a speech this afternoon in Detroit that will primarily focus on the economy, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt tells reporters.

He will then return to the White House, where he will hold a briefing with his national security team to discuss potential steps that the US could take against the regime, a White House official tells reporters separately.

Earlier today, he urged the protesters to continue taking to the streets, adding that help is on the way.
 
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This is one of those that I do not care one way or another. Fuck Iran
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I disagree.

Even if we care nothing for the Iranian people, it is still in America's interest to have an Iranian regime that is not purely anti-American and hell-bent on our destruction.

Whether the next Iranian government is a dictatorship, a democracy, or military-led theocracy, we benefit if that government simply becomes "Iran First." If they merely put their national resources towards their interests instead of funding worldwide terror entities (Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc), we benefit.

On the world stage, a western-friendly (or at least western agnostic) Iran could be less inclined to make deals with failing world actors (ex/ Russia, Venezuela, Cuba) and more likely to create mutually beneficial trade deals with the U.S. and our economic allies since that would fiscally benefit them.

I believe that deposing the Islamist regime in Iran could be useful for world peace and stability. Am I a Pollyanna? Maybe somewhat. I don't want us to actually do the necessary post-regime nation building. But, can a regime that marked us as The Great Satan that needed to be utterly obliterated get worse? Time will tell.
 
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I don't see how the IRGC reels this in without genocide.

The Iranian people most likely know this too.
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IRGC & Basij militia: "Challenge accepted."

This could become the largest wholesale slaughter of civilians by a modern government.

The IRGC will probably not flip. The Basij are maniacal zealots, so they won't flip.

Some agency needs to pay some high-ranking regular army Iranian generals to "see the light and stand with their people."

I'm no strategist. But, the IRGC needs to be demoralized and destroyed. Their barracks, installations, equipment, and leadership needs to be overwhelmingly hit very soon.
 
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Phazer said:
I disagree.

Even if we care nothing for the Iranian people, it is still in America's interest to have an Iranian regime that is not purely anti-American and hell-bent on our destruction.

Whether the next Iranian government is a dictatorship, a democracy, or military-led theocracy, we benefit if that government simply becomes "Iran First." If they merely put their national resources towards their interests instead of funding worldwide terror entities (Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc), we benefit.

On the world stage, a western-friendly (or at least western agnostic) Iran could be less inclined to make deals with failing world actors (ex/ Russia, Venezuela, Cuba) and more likely to create mutually beneficial trade deals with the U.S. and our economic allies since that would fiscally benefit them.

I believe that deposing the Islamist regime in Iran could be useful for world peace and stability. Am I a Pollyanna? Maybe somewhat. I don't want us to actually do the necessary post-regime nation building. But, can a regime that marked us as The Great Satan that needed to be utterly obliterated get worse? Time will tell.
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Yeah....

I get this. I really do.

A couple years ago, I would have cared and would have paid more at, these days, not to much.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Yeah....

I get this. I really do.

A couple years ago, I would have cared and would have paid more at, these days, not to much.
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Never doubted that you did.

Your acquired apathy is understandable.

Our job may not be to win. But, we must at least stand for what's right. See the good in what could be while tempering expectations with our empiric experience of reality.
 
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Gotta respect the unarmed Iranian protesters. They're standing against a ruthless theocratic dictatorship that is about to start hanging political prisoners for "crimes against God."

According to some unverified reports, the regime has reportedly already used grenade launchers and mounted machine guns against crowds.

We will not know what really happened unless the people can get their stories out of Iran.
 
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Phazer said:
Gotta respect the unarmed Iranian protesters. They're standing against a ruthless theocratic dictatorship that is about to start hanging political prisoners for "crimes against God."

According to some unverified reports, the regime has reportedly already used grenade launchers and mounted machine guns against crowds.

We will not know what really happened unless the people can get their stories out of Iran.
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I'm sure they're not worried about optics at this point. They are on the verge of being toppled.
 
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