Plaintiffs wanted - Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC)

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This is part of an email I received from FPC. They are looking for plaintiffs to be named in a lawsuit to sue NYS. Details below.

Your Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) Legal Action Team is looking for qualified people who want to sue New York and help us strike down unconstitutional laws. We are looking for potential plaintiffs who:
  • Live in either New York City or within the counties of Duchess, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, or Westchester
  • Are at least 21 years old
  • Possess a valid license to carry a handgun issued by their city or county of residence
  • Regularly visit New York City and regularly visits or travels through the Times Square area
  • Would carry a handgun in Times Square if not for the law prohibiting it
  • Would be willing to sue New York City and participate in a federal lawsuit as a named plaintiff
If you (or someone you know) wants to be considered for participation in our lawsuit, please submit the form ASAP!
Feel free to reply to this email or contact us at plaintiffs@fpchq.org if you have any questions.
For freedom and liberty,
The FPC Legal Action Team
 
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Great, they are going to sue to get guns to be allowed in time square? How about all the other places they are banned. I’d image they’d get more bang for their buck that route.
 
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This is how you set up those other challenges. Win this, and it sets up other areas.

Just because they took it away in one big bite doesn't mean that's how we get it back.

Bitch all you want. FPC and GOA are the ONLY NO COMPROMISE organizations fighting for your rights in PRNY. Step up.
 
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Tisto said:
This is how you set up those other challenges. Win this, and it sets up other areas.

Just because they took it away in one big bite doesn't mean that's how we get it back.

Bitch all you want. FPC and GOA are the ONLY NO COMPROMISE organizations fighting for your rights in PRNY. Step up.
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Isn’t FPC the goofy one and only sure on behalf of their members so you have to be a member at the time to enjoy the rights won back? If so I do not like that. Didn’t one judge then ask for a list of members to apply the rights they won back to those individuals only?
Also, I don’t disagree with what you said but if it’s a sensitive place why can’t they include others in the lawsuit under the same or similar logic?
 
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Isn’t FPC the goofy one and only sure on behalf of their members so you have to be a member at the time to enjoy the rights won back? If so I do not like that. Didn’t one judge then ask for a list of members to apply the rights they won back to those individuals only?
Also, I don’t disagree with what you said but if it’s a sensitive place why can’t they include others in the lawsuit under the same or similar logic?
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If you're going to file a major lawsuit, you have to have multiple, articulate arguments with standing (that means the plaintiffs were/are effected)
When NYSRPA went after NYC it took years to find plaintiffs who met the criteria and were willing to go the distance while setting up and presenting the Case, and if you'll recall the first time around, the State tried to make the case moot by effecting meaningless changes to the Laws, but the Judge saw through that ploy and squashed it...many times, the complaints sound silly, or irrelevant, even questionable if the law isn't a good idea, well it's about Rights and reigning in Government over reach...Remember, the Second isn't about the Right of the People to Keep Arms, it's about preventing the government from taking them.
 
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Isn’t FPC the goofy one and only sure on behalf of their members so you have to be a member at the time to enjoy the rights won back? If so I do not like that. Didn’t one judge then ask for a list of members to apply the rights they won back to those individuals only?
Also, I don’t disagree with what you said but if it’s a sensitive place why can’t they include others in the lawsuit under the same or similar logic?
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It's not the plaintiff that determines the scope of the remedy in a court case. The judge does that. FPC & GOA were challenging a law, and won in court. The judge determined that only FPC & GOA members were covered in the remedy. Then, the judge said they wanted a list of all FPC & GOA members. Both FPC & GOA ☆☆REFUSED☆☆ to provide lists of their members.

FPC is a coalition of pro 2A groups. They will partner with various groups to file suits against federal and state laws.

Fighting (in this case) the CCIA can not be done in one fell swoop. It has to be challenged piecemeal. One small win sets up another, slightly bigger case. Establish that Times Square is not a "sensitive location", and that helps establish that (for instance) parks and beeches aren't sensitive either. Then zoos and parades. And it keeps going.
 
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Tisto said:
It's not the plaintiff that determines the scope of the remedy in a court case. The judge does that. FPC & GOA were challenging a law, and won in court. The judge determined that only FPC & GOA members were covered in the remedy. Then, the judge said they wanted a list of all FPC & GOA members. Both FPC & GOA ☆☆REFUSED☆☆ to provide lists of their members.

FPC is a coalition of pro 2A groups. They will partner with various groups to file suits against federal and state laws.

Fighting (in this case) the CCIA can not be done in one fell swoop. It has to be challenged piecemeal. One small win sets up another, slightly bigger case. Establish that Times Square is not a "sensitive location", and that helps establish that (for instance) parks and beeches aren't sensitive either. Then zoos and parades. And it keeps going.
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And 20 years from now you'll get a settlement, only to have NY gov negate it with some oppressive new law. Rinse and repeat. :mad:
 
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I'm really glad I never served in the military with someone so willing to give up.
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Just being pragmatic. I fought the good fight for 30 years in NY, finally got tired of fighting and moved somewhere that I can actually enjoy my 2nd amendment rights before I die. Good luck with your battle.
 
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while I am no longer in the fight up thataway... I always hope this cases so somewhere.

I tried a few times in the past to be part of the fight. I was part of a suit, many, many years ago. I thought it was going places, the attorney died and no one in his practice wanted to continue.

Changes do come, even in places like NY, just wish it did not take so damn long.

Hoping for a good outcome here, or a better outcome with the elected....
 
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Just being pragmatic. I fought the good fight for 30 years in NY, finally got tired of fighting and moved somewhere that I can actually enjoy my 2nd amendment rights before I die. Good luck with your battle.
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Pragmatic ? No, I think you're more self serving than pragmatic. Telling yourself a thing is a lost cause and walking away is no solution. I certainly hope you moved to Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon or Washington where they're already fucking you some more. It's your attitude that allows this shit to fester. "Why should I vote ? It's a whole mile to the polling place, and it will take 20 minutes that I could be watching Dancing With The Stars ! Plus, It's cold and raining outside. My vote doesn't count. There's no reason for me to vote." That's the attitude that fuels all these laws that you bitch about, yet do nothing to oppose. No, you're not pragmatic at all. You give up and say "Let someone else do it." Just the kind of guy I DON'T want watching my back in a firefight. And I've been in more than a few.
 
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Pragmatic ? No, I think you're more self serving than pragmatic. Telling yourself a thing is a lost cause and walking away is no solution. I certainly hope you moved to Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon or Washington where they're already fucking you some more. It's your attitude that allows this shit to fester. "Why should I vote ? It's a whole mile to the polling place, and it will take 20 minutes that I could be watching Dancing With The Stars ! Plus, It's cold and raining outside. My vote doesn't count. There's no reason for me to vote." That's the attitude that fuels all these laws that you bitch about, yet do nothing to oppose. No, you're not pragmatic at all. You give up and say "Let someone else do it." Just the kind of guy I DON'T want watching my back in a firefight. And I've been in more than a few.
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Didn't "walk away because I feel it's a lost cause", I walked away because I wanted to enjoy the freedom that those in pro-2A states feel in my lifetime: suppressors, standard cap mags, Constitutional carry, walking into a gun store....picking out a handgun...paying for it....and walking out the door with it, buying ammo without a background check, getting ammo and parts shipped to my personal residence, buying guns at garage sales and flea markets, etc.

This gun control stuff is a bullshit cycle: 72 hours to write and pass legislation, decades of lawsuits to fight said legislation. I'm not a young man, I don't have time to sit under the thumb of tyranny in NY fighting for something that I can enjoy NOW in a majority of the other States. I will continue to support and fight to end this everywhere, so it doesn't eventually end up on my doorstep, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit around lusting after all of the aforementioned freedoms when I can enjoy them by simply moving to another state.

Many longtime members here have had enough and pulled the ripcord, I suppose you don't want any of them other "quitters" to cover your back in a firefight either? You may want to rethink that: we'd be equipped with standard cap mags, so we can cover you while you're swapping out your 10 rounders. ;)
 
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Tisto said:
Pragmatic ? No, I think you're more self serving than pragmatic. Telling yourself a thing is a lost cause and walking away is no solution. I certainly hope you moved to Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon or Washington where they're already fucking you some more. It's your attitude that allows this shit to fester. "Why should I vote ? It's a whole mile to the polling place, and it will take 20 minutes that I could be watching Dancing With The Stars ! Plus, It's cold and raining outside. My vote doesn't count. There's no reason for me to vote." That's the attitude that fuels all these laws that you bitch about, yet do nothing to oppose. No, you're not pragmatic at all. You give up and say "Let someone else do it." Just the kind of guy I DON'T want watching my back in a firefight. And I've been in more than a few.
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The Pilgrims left England because of religious persecution. Sometimes you got to know when the fight is over. The fight in NY has been over for decades. The fight in most Blue states has been over for decades. Once the communists take hold of power they give the lemmings promises of free things and lower the education standards, that is how they stay in power.

Gun owners are not one homogeneous voting block, the lemmings are, they vote for every giveaway the left offers. You can either accept NY is a lost cause and live on your knees, resist where you can, or flee persecution and try to prevent it from gaining anymore ground in other areas.

At this point in history NY gun owners and NY Republicans are less effective than the French Resistance in WWII. At least the French Resistance took out some of the occupation forces.
 
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The Pilgrims left England because of religious persecution. Sometimes you got to know when the fight is over. The fight in NY has been over for decades. The fight in most Blue states has been over for decades. Once the communists take hold of power they give the lemmings promises of free things and lower the education standards, that is how they stay in power.

Gun owners are not one homogeneous voting block, the lemmings are, they vote for every giveaway the left offers. You can either accept NY is a lost cause and live on your knees, resist where you can, or flee persecution and try to prevent it from gaining anymore ground in other areas.

At this point in history NY gun owners and NY Republicans are less effective than the French Resistance in WWII. At least the French Resistance took out some of the occupation forces.
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The pilgrims left and tyranny followed them.

Revel in the knowledge that what is allowed to take root here WILL in fact find it's way to your front door in time.
 
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Ever hear of the Sullivan act? NY has been gone for over 100 years. The only reason Communism/ Liberalism spreads is because the lemmings move away from the tyranny they created and don’t change their voting patterns, they are too stupid to realize they are the cause of the destruction of their former home.

In NC we rolled back the pistol purchase coupons, a few years ago, and are on the verge of constitutional carry. That is being done in the legislature not the courts. If you have to rely on the courts you are screwed.

Why do you think Northerners are looked at with suspicion in the south? It is because they tend to bring their flawed political views with them.
 
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Relax, once NY city becomes a musslame stronghold all guns will be everywhere; just like the turd world.
 
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Relax, once NY city becomes a musslame stronghold all guns will be everywhere; just like the turd world.
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Besides the embarrassment of having lost to attrition to a bunch of goat fuckers, the silver lining would be guns everywhere...or would they?
 
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