New York lawmakers debate $25 vehicle registration fee for upstate drivers

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Bill Magnarelli out of Syracuse is sponsoring this. I wonder if snowmobile, motorcycles, atv's, boats, etc will get the same treatment. I can hear the cries of NYC calling for this $$$ to pay for their socialist schemes

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New York lawmakers debate $25 vehicle registration fee for upstate drivers

A proposal in the New York state Legislature to put an additional $25 vehicle registration fee for upstate drivers is drawing sharp debate, with supporters sayi
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Hochul says she’s against it. It’s stupid because we have no mass transit system in upstate. NYC pays it because they have the MTA and it’s useful and helpful to them.
 
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If mass transit was needed in a location shouldn't rider fares cover the costs (and at a minimum, make a small profit) of running said line? If the answer is no, regardless of location then there should be no mass transit. Its not the duty of the government to provide transportation to people

There is and will never be mass transit in my neighborhood. Why should I pay a tax on it?
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Hochul says she’s against it. It’s stupid because we have no mass transit system in upstate. NYC pays it because they have the MTA and it’s useful and helpful to them.
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There is a “semi mass transit system” in Buffalo. Of course it is easy to forget, as it is slow speed, low ridership, and basically a tinker toy trolley that loosely serves those living in only 1 town,- Eggertsville, work downtown, and don’t want to pay a monthly parking fee LOL! And after they managed to kill off most downtown Buffalo retail during its’ construction, downtown Buffalo has never been the same. Oh yeah,- can’t forget that they built it above ground (severely ruining most auto access), and put it underground where it could have been elevated like the LIRR. That and those wonderful non weather protected stations downtown that the wind off Lake Erie howls through, and that you could freeze to death while waiting for one to come by.

Yep,- now THAT’s a system worth paying even more tax dollars for!
 
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I haven't read the proposed legislation, but assume by the titles and headlines that they want to essentially add a $25. processing fee to each vehicle Registration?
So the yearly Registration I pay for my Historical Vehicle goes from $27.50 to $52.50? Trailers, ATV/snowmobile, Limited. etc. are doubling because of the mis-management of the LIRR and MTA? yea, know wonder why 33% of New Yorker's are ready to heave-ho, never to return again.
 
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TEOTWAWKI inc. said:
My town built a little Amish buggy highway parallel to the main road. I didn't see any increase in taxes or fees.
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I kind of wish they'd do that near me, though it would be an eminent domain nightmare. I've seen too many Amish traveling late at night on dark roads in dark buggies. They are required to have battery-operated lights now, which helps a lot, but I still see accidents waiting to happen all the time. One night, I noticed several Amish walking along a relatively busy road with minimal shoulder, in the dark of night, wearing all black of course. Their buggy had broken down up the road and they were walking the rest of the way.

A few years back, someone ran into a buggy and killed a whole family. Just one month ago, a teenager turned into a logging truck's path, with predictable results.

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If you don’t have mass transit at all in your area, I assume you’re exempt…..
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Haha yeah right. No mass transit within 80-100 miles of my place, but I'll be paying the tax for sure.
 
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I would like these, but I don't even know what to call them.

They are the perfect place to set snow on.

They are rare in my area.
 
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FP1201 said:
I haven't read the proposed legislation, but assume by the titles and headlines that they want to essentially add a $25. processing fee to each vehicle Registration?
So the yearly Registration I pay for my Historical Vehicle goes from $27.50 to $52.50? Trailers, ATV/snowmobile, Limited. etc. are doubling because of the mis-management of the LIRR and MTA? yea, know wonder why 33% of New Yorker's are ready to heave-ho, never to return again.
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You got it. So the two year fee that's usually around $70, will go up to $95 for a car/truck/van. Apparently, mas-transit can't cover its own costs and needs people who don't use it to pay for it anyway. This is why I always say don't put anything past NY. Instead of raising the fees for using the transit systems, like anyone with a brain would do, they want someone else to cover the bill.
 
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I'd like NYS to be able to tell us where our tax dollars already went first I think. Almost a legal requirement. Which they can't do right now. Good money after bad? They can't even balance and account their own ledgers. Why would anyone trust them with more.
 
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No way NYS is giving up $$$ for any reason! They got their arms into your pocket up to their elbow and they're trying real hard how to get the entire arm up to the shoulder in there!!!

I remember Schmuck Schumer crying when the added 9-11 $0.25¢ gas tax per gallon was about to sunset... He explained that NY'ers were already used to paying it, so why relax the tax!?!?
 
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tirwin1 said:
Every day this state does something else to drive people out. Incredible. Did they gavin newsome as a consultant?
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And for every person they drive out, many more have to pay to close the gap. Just the little bit of state income tax I took with me when I left - that's like 260 people that will have to pay an extra registration fee upstate or something. NY will punish you even harder for each high earner that leaves, and many have left already, with more to follow.
 
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NY State exhibits malfeasance towards residents who leave, especially those who relocate to Florida, ie, mostly retiree's... These residents have an 90% chance of being audited in their final State income tax filing... That's NY for ya', kicking your ass on the way out too! Isn't bad enough to beat you over the head while you're here...
 
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Cooolone said:
NY State exhibits malfeasance towards residents who leave, especially those who relocate to Florida, ie, mostly retiree's... These residents have an 90% chance of being audited in their final State income tax filing... That's NY for ya', kicking your ass on the way out too! Isn't bad enough to beat you over the head while you're here...
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I would not be surprised if NY attempts to implement an exit tax like California is currently trying to do. I know Democrats are stupid but one would think they might ponder why so many are leaving just for sake of self preservation.
 
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Thieves arguing which pocket to pick and deciding, fuck it, just punch them in the face and take it, what are they gonna do anyway. They have no respect or regard for the people that pay the bills and suffer under their tyranny. Kinda like Iran without the mullah's.
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If it becomes a law/regulation, there's no choice. You want to drive, pay the fee. If not, buy a bicycle. Most people need their vehicle to get to work, doctor's appointments, and for those of us who don't own land, to be able to drive to our hunting spots. NY has been all about downstate for decades, even way back when we had Republicans running the show. I don't meat to drift here, but even our dumb gun laws are a result of making downstate voters happy.
Millions use the subway at least once a day in the NYC area, start using that to fund its maintenance and leave my wallet the hell alone.
 
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Cavalry said:
I have no clue what operational costs are for the subway but it seems like it should be less than the $4 billion annually they take in?
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I have no factual clue, but they claim it costs over 20 billion a year to operate it. Dems are crying because the congestion costs didn't work the way they wanted them too and were shut down. So, once again, we might end up paying for it. Just like we paid for the AG's court costs.
 
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tirwin1 said:
I would not be surprised if NY attempts to implement an exit tax like California is currently trying to do. I know Democrats are stupid but one would think they might ponder why so many are leaving just for sake of self preservation.
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Only people NY is interested in going after are those with money; if it appears you have no assets they'll harass you, but they won't waste time on you...certainly works that way for crime; have some money? yea, we're going to bleed you in the name of public safety, broke dead-beat? we're not going to do a damn thing unless you're really a high profile asshole, even then we'll release you early so we don't have to pay to keep you fed and in good health while incarcerated at $115K a year. ($556,539 in NYC) The Cost of Incarceration in New York State
 
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This is what makes Sovereign Nation folks gain membership and seem not so crazy. May explain their expansion in this state.

I read "Limited Goverment" someplace. Not just Federal Limited Goverment.

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 "No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore". Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943)

Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 U.S. 262 "If the State converts a right (Liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (Liberty) with impunity" Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, 373 U.S. 262 (1963)

Deprivation of Rights under color of Law: 18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights {Freedom of movement and Pursuit of Happiness; especially for folks who HAVE NO public transportation]

"No taxation without representation" was a pivotal 1760s political slogan protesting Britain's imposition of taxes on American colonies without their consent or representation in Parliament. It argued that only colonial assemblies, where residents were represented, could levy taxes, framing British taxation as a violation of their rights as Englishmen. [It could be argued that the representation of large cities and the demographic of that representation, without an electoral collage type of control limits and mutes the voice of other areas and demographics in the State assemblies]
 
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Brawny71 said:
This is what makes Sovereign Nation folks gain membership and seem not so crazy. May explain their expansion in this state.

I read "Limited Goverment" someplace. Not just Federal Limited Goverment.

Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 "No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore". Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943)

Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham Alabama, 373 U.S. 262 "If the State converts a right (Liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (Liberty) with impunity" Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, 373 U.S. 262 (1963)

Deprivation of Rights under color of Law: 18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights {Freedom of movement and Pursuit of Happiness; especially for folks who HAVE NO public transportation]

"No taxation without representation" was a pivotal 1760s political slogan protesting Britain's imposition of taxes on American colonies without their consent or representation in Parliament. It argued that only colonial assemblies, where residents were represented, could levy taxes, framing British taxation as a violation of their rights as Englishmen. [It could be argued that the representation of large cities and the demographic of that representation, without an electoral collage type of control limits and mutes the voice of other areas and demographics in the State assemblies]
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Unless you're NYS then those don't apply to the average Citizen...
NY is unlimited
NY demands licenses and permits for everything: Handguns are a prime example of the ruling being cited.
Color of Law is used in Law Enforcement and "Requirements" "Policies" "edicts" and all sorts of Because I said so applications.
Representation has been mostly if not all one sided for over a Century. Hell, even Elected Representatives from the Republican Party are not notified or invited to Committee or other Meetings in the Legislature, and that's a fact that any (R) there will tell you. We have Taxes upon Taxes, and Rules collecting monies are still taxes no matter how they're labeled.
The State needs a Political overhaul, but it's so well entrenched into the Machine that re-power is going to be the only viable solution, but we can't afford it.
 
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