Senator Lee Unveils National Bill to Override Hostile State Gun Laws

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Utah Sen. Mike Lee has unveiled a new bill that would allow individuals who can lawfully possess a firearm to carry a handgun in all 50 states, without the need for a state-issued permission slip.

Lee’s legislation, which he plans to introduce Thursday, would eliminate concealed carry permit requirements nationwide for eligible U.S. citizens — those already legally allowed to own a firearm.

In addition to negating the need for state-issued concealed carry licenses in the 21 states where permitless carry is not yet in effect, Lee's bill would also severely limit states' ability to establish "gun-free zones."

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Mike Lee unveils national constitutional carry bill to override 'hostile' state gun laws

Sen. Mike Lee's, R-Utah, bill, the National Constitutional Carry Act, builds on laws in 29 states that already allow concealed carry without a permit.
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I like the idea of this, but I will be surprised if it gains traction unless stuffed in some massive bill. It seems to be the only way things happen.

NY is cooked though, Jumbo and Cunty will not tolerate any sort of freedom in their prison regardless of the Fed
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One example of NY is cooked...

In response to the Supreme Court’s NYSRPA v. Bruen decision.
Hochul the Horrible signed the Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA)
And so far, she has gotten away with it.

Yeah, NY is thoroughly cooked. Freedom is burnt.
 
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One example of NY is cooked...

In response to the Supreme Court’s NYSRPA v. Bruen decision.
Hochul the Horrible signed the Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA)
And so far, she has gotten away with it.

Yeah, NY is thoroughly cooked. Freedom is burnt.
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Nothing will improve until politicians are actually punished for violating people's rights.

Somehow they managed to convince the public that they have immunity for "official acts".

Well, I say violating people's rights is not part of your official duty, so there's no immunity.

SAFE alone should have generated several million lawsuits against every legislator who voted for it, and every official who participated in enforcing it.
 
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How adorable that people believe this is even a possibility.
Does anyone here know that state reciprocity laws to allow carry across state lines have been being proposed sinse the 1970s?
Yep, every so often a legislator "unveils a bill".....for over 50 years.
Also, sinse at least the early 1990s many politicians have "unveiled a bill" to end carry permits nationwide.......almost 40 years.
Over that time hundreds of politicians have "unveiled a bill" for ANTI gun laws, PASSING thousands of new anti gun laws nationally and locally.
Last I knew, about 6% of "unveiled bills" are actually passed. 94% die along the way. We all know that every 2 years politicians looking for a win, "unveil bills" they know have no teeth, just to garner votes.
If any of you honestly believe that elimination of carry permits, national reciprocity, or ending rifle bans are going to happen in our lifetime, I wanna smoke what you got!

There are two options......follow the rules, or disobey.
 
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Concealed carry, is now normal in NYS, what's the beef?

The NYS permit law now works against Jihadis, Trans, Antifa, BLM, anti ICE maniacs/communists/ greenies, and others who do not have a clue about how gun stores and 4473's work either...................

We are safer, due to the SAFE ACT, that was ironically written to hurt Whites..............now protects the unarmed white population, from the above virtual Iranians, and animals.

Lee is grandstanding..................Bruen allowed some licensing.
 
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Concealed carry, is now normal in NYS, what's the beef?

The NYS permit law now works against Jihadis, Trans, Antifa, BLM, anti ICE maniacs/communists/ greenies, and others who do not have a clue about how gun stores and 4473's work either...................

We are safer, due to the SAFE ACT, that was ironically written to hurt Whites..............now protects the unarmed white population, from the above virtual Iranians, and animals.
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Seriously? If this is not sarcasm then you are brainwashed.

And whats the beef? Ill start with even needing a permission slip to exercise my rights. Next would be expensive training required, having to take time off of work to have a face to face with some black robed bureaucrat to see if Im a good enough person for my permission slip. Cant have ammo shipped to my house and now need to pay an extra fee along with gas, and wear and tear on my vehicle to go to a gun shop for yet another bgc just to get ammo. Restrictions on what I can own, restrictions on capacity, restriction on where are when you can carry or face felony charges. Thats just getting started on what my beef is.
 
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Seriously? If this is not sarcasm then you are brainwashed.

And whats the beef? Ill start with even needing a permission slip to exercise my rights. Next would be expensive training required, having to take time off of work to have a face to face with some black robed bureaucrat to see if Im a good enough person for my permission slip. Cant have ammo shipped to my house and now need to pay an extra fee along with gas, and wear and tear on my vehicle to go to a gun shop for yet another bgc just to get ammo. Restrictions on what I can own, restrictions on capacity, restriction on where are when you can carry or face felony charges. Thats just getting started on what my beef is.
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My position is fact, and current law.........that is the way it is, not an imaginary sovereign citizen, fairy land delusion.

9 states require a permit to carry concealed..the bad ones.
Ever hear f someone being arrested in NYS with handgun from another state?
Happens..son of a bitch!!


Universal concealed carry is dead..................like Ghost guns, new MG's etc,etc.

Your rots stop at the next NYSP traffic stop.

The fact is that Bruen ALLOWED state licensing and training.

Go naked without permit--------- with pistol, MG etc etc. Your rots...........
 
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My position is fact, and current law.........that is the way it is, not an imaginary sovereign citizen, fairy land delusion.

9 states require a permit to carry concealed..the bad ones.
Ever hear f someone being arrested in NYS with handgun from another state?
Happens..son of a bitch!!


Universal concealed carry is dead..................like Ghost guns, new MG's etc,etc.

Your rots stop at the next NYSP traffic stop.

The fact is that Bruen ALLOWED state licensing and training.

Go naked without permit--------- with pistol, MG etc etc. Your rots...........
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Your position may be the law, but only because NY courts are corrupted by the anti gun lobby. Just because i follow the law doesnt mean i find it acceptable.
 
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Celt said:
Seriously? If this is not sarcasm then you are brainwashed.

And whats the beef? Ill start with even needing a permission slip to exercise my rights. Next would be expensive training required, having to take time off of work to have a face to face with some black robed bureaucrat to see if Im a good enough person for my permission slip. Cant have ammo shipped to my house and now need to pay an extra fee along with gas, and wear and tear on my vehicle to go to a gun shop for yet another bgc just to get ammo. Restrictions on what I can own, restrictions on capacity, restriction on where are when you can carry or face felony charges. Thats just getting started on what my beef is.
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If you can decipher his inane rants you will learn that he’s not only a big proponent of NYS’s gun ownership regulation, but that he’s also nuttier than chipmunk sign.
 
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Concealed carry, is now normal in NYS, what's the beef?

The NYS permit law now works against Jihadis, Trans, Antifa, BLM, anti ICE maniacs/communists/ greenies, and others who do not have a clue about how gun stores and 4473's work either...................

We are safer, due to the SAFE ACT, that was ironically written to hurt Whites..............now protects the unarmed white population, from the above virtual Iranians, and animals.

Lee is grandstanding..................Bruen allowed some licensing.
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Keep smoking that shit !

Exactly how are we safer because they passed laws that ban common rifles and magazines, made it illegal to build something in my workshop that is legal for someone on the other side of an invisible line in another State to build, prevent me from ordering a legal product and having it shipped to my house, and having the State collect and store every bit of information about my activities they can ? Not to mention the dozens of other items in the NYSAFE and CCIA acts that either infringe on my rights or spy on me without probable cause, reasonable suspicion, or a warrant.

I know, you're a special, all knowing LEO that fully believes that fishing is a legitamite passtime whenever you encounter anyone that doesn't have a badge. That's exactly why people don't like or trust cops.

You just keep drinking that koolaid that allows you to believe the police state is so much better than freedom.
 
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Such sovereign citizen rants, have been noted since the SAFE Act was enacted.

This is NYS, and the Court has said that this is legal..............so far.

I do not like it, but there it is.......I had to ship all of my HC mags out of state to Pa and register my AW's.

60 million plus people in the USA, cannot legally buy a gun due to a conviction and I know you think this is bullshit too, but hey..FUCK them.

NICS is now protecting us, as is the NYS Safe Act, from animals.

I have registered handguns, semi endorsement and registered AW's that I can shoot at any range, as I carry the AW license, just re-certified.


Free States like PA, allow MG's SBR's, Silencers, but that is PA. Criminals still have to pass the NICS there, and cannot...............

THAT is your Cuz's Amos beef too, eh??? Fuck Amos.

Pa Citizens undergo PaSP scrutiny on the pistol purchases, and they have a CC permit system too.


A true sovereign citizen would just say fuck it in NYS , and own MG's silencers, SBR's anyway............
 
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I truly do not know what this sovereign citizen shit is all about but from the The sound of it they were the ones that had a tea party which forced the loyal sucke-up's into Canada.
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Pa Citizens undergo PaSP scrutiny on the pistol purchases, and they have a CC permit system too.
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It's quite a bit different from NY. You only need to pass a PICs check to buy a handgun, there is no need to have any additional permit unless you want to conceal carry or have a loaded handgun in your vehicle (you can open carry as long as you are not in a vehicle without any additional permits). And the "LTCF" is a one and done permit. We don't need to add each handgun to our permit, and renewals are every 5 years.

It's really nice being able to walk into a gun shop, purchase a handgun, and walk out with it the same day.
 
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Such sovereign citizen rants, have been noted since the SAFE Act was enacted.

This is NYS, and the Court has said that this is legal..............so far.

I do not like it, but there it is.......I had to ship all of my HC mags out of state to Pa and register my AW's.

60 million plus people in the USA, cannot legally buy a gun due to a conviction and I know you think this is bullshit too, but hey..FUCK them.

NICS is now protecting us, as is the NYS Safe Act, from animals.

I have registered handguns, semi endorsement and registered AW's that I can shoot at any range, as I carry the AW license, just re-certified.


Free States like PA, allow MG's SBR's, Silencers, but that is PA. Criminals still have to pass the NICS there, and cannot...............

THAT is your Cuz's Amos beef too, eh??? Fuck Amos.

Pa Citizens undergo PaSP scrutiny on the pistol purchases, and they have a CC permit system too.


A true sovereign citizen would just say fuck it in NYS , and own MG's silencers, SBR's anyway............
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You have yet to explain how it is that NYSAFE & CCIA are protecting us from "those animals". Those "animals" as you call them don't buy guns from FFL dealers. They don't go through background checks. Your favorite laws aren't protecting any of us from anything.

What exactly is evil about a SBR ? A 16" barreled rifle chambered in 5.56 is just fine, and a 7" barreled pistol in the same caliber is ok too, so what's the big deal if someone has the nerve to put a 10" barrel and a stock on one ? Answer: there is NOTHING inherently evil about it. The mere posession of it does not cause intent to do harm to anyone. And yet, this is the shit legal arguements you defend.

You didn't have to ship ANYTHING out of State. You registered all your "assault weapons". You had the opportunity to register the magazines at the same time. Plus, You're LE. You have the "I'm better than you" immunity from the law.

What makes you think that many NYers DON'T own SBR's, SBS's, supressors and select fire machine guns ? All while not knocking over 7-11s and gas stations ?
 
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Zerex said:
Such sovereign citizen rants, have been noted since the SAFE Act was enacted.

This is NYS, and the Court has said that this is legal..............so far.

I do not like it, but there it is.......I had to ship all of my HC mags out of state to Pa and register my AW's.

60 million plus people in the USA, cannot legally buy a gun due to a conviction and I know you think this is bullshit too, but hey..FUCK them.

NICS is now protecting us, as is the NYS Safe Act, from animals.

I have registered handguns, semi endorsement and registered AW's that I can shoot at any range, as I carry the AW license, just re-certified.


Free States like PA, allow MG's SBR's, Silencers, but that is PA. Criminals still have to pass the NICS there, and cannot...............

THAT is your Cuz's Amos beef too, eh??? Fuck Amos.

Pa Citizens undergo PaSP scrutiny on the pistol purchases, and they have a CC permit system too.


A true sovereign citizen would just say fuck it in NYS , and own MG's silencers, SBR's anyway............
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Is your first name Elmer?
 
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You people are so far out of the LE loop that it makes it fertile ground for
the NYSP and ATF, nationwide.

Latest ATF arrests are posted on a daily basis...people who should know better but do not believe, that like ghosts and Bigfoot, that the ATF and NYSP are just fiction.

NYSP arrests get posted here regularly.

Protect your self............. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars. It ain;t 1785 anymore.

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The mentality or lack of education, that makes some people believe that they were born free, and natural rights only govern their conduct...........shit,some even quote God as the basis for law breaking.

Good

The Social Contract has been in existence for 10,000 years..................society was ruled by Kings, Chiefs, Deapots, etc, etc.

Only since 1790 have we had a Constitution that gives us some rights that people have not had in 10,000 years.

Believing that the Govt has taken your natural rights,------- to own machine guns, bombs, and other WMD, and to live off the grid, not paying the IRS taxes or similar bullshit ,is just so ignorant.

Can't live off grid in NYS and many other states...........many states ban MG's etc. We live with it. the Constitution is not based upon natural rights.........

Rights not reserved to the Feds, are delegated to the States and any left over are the peoples oto a certain LIMITED extent.

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Don't police take some sort of thing stating they will follow the Constitution?
If so they are in derelict of that oath, no mater what some tin pot Ahole dreams up and gets passed; that is exactly what the revolution was about.
If so then they are nutless pussies that should go get jobs in the food service industries.
"Social Contract has been in existence for 10,000 year"? What is that drivel ?
I guess in your vast " knowledge " slavery is just a social contract. War lords are just doing what the social contract demands.
Can that social contract be used by all or only by people who can enforce their will on others by force?
If you are a cop, do your job go arrest a politician.
 
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Incredible, amazing, stupendous, unbelievable and just over the top ignorant of the laws, Government authority, Judicial authority that WE ALL DELEGATED to the Fed when the Constution was ratified in 1790.............that includes you, ALL FUCKING DAY LONG. 1790-2026 makes no diff.

What planet you your live on?


Go and make your own MG's SBR's silencers, Ghosts, etc etc............ you rots allows dit..
 
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Zerex said:
You people are so far out of the LE loop that it makes it fertile ground for
the NYSP and ATF, nationwide.

Latest ATF arrests are posted on a daily basis...people who should know better but do not believe, that like ghosts and Bigfoot, that the ATF and NYSP are just fiction.

NYSP arrests get posted here regularly.

Protect your self............. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars. It ain;t 1785 anymore.

Press Releases | ATF

www.atf.gov www.atf.gov
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If you read one of my previous posts you would have seen that I do not advocate breaking the law, nor do I, but it doesnt mean I find it acceptable.

And I would say "you people", as in FUDDS, make it far worse for the 2a than the anti gunners. You pretend to be a supporter of the 2a, but you are quick to throw real 2a people under the bus.
 
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I am a gun owner for sure...AW license, PP, Semi endorsement, NRA member, GOA member..........

Bruen said that it is legal for States to require permits and training...........many do.

No natural rights or human rights or god given rights, are denied to anyone but 60 million criminals in the USA who cannot own guns, and others.

The Social Contract recognizes that humans are predatory animals, and we must organize to keep the population safe...........even under kings...

We created the BOR for the first time in 10,000 years, and there are limits to them..
enjoy them, and yeah, I am not a cop and never have been.

You live in a civilized society that hates guns, but we are protected a by the BOR..............just not in every state to the same degree.

NYS obviously wants to eliminate all guns from MAGA and will likely start with a total AW/Semi ban, soon enough...............Pa here I come.
 
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Zerex said:
I am a gun owner for sure...AW license, PP, Semi endorsement, NRA member, GOA member..........

Bruen said that it is legal for States to require permits and training...........many do.

No natural rights or human rights or god given rights, are denied to anyone but 60 million criminals in the USA who cannot own guns, and others.

The Social Contract recognizes that humans are predatory animals, and we must organize to keep the population safe...........even under kings...

We created the BOR for the first time in 10,000 years, and there are limits to them..
enjoy them, and yeah, I am not a cop and never have been.

You live in a civilized society that hates guns, but we are protected a by the BOR..............just not in every state to the same degree.

NYS obviously wants to eliminate all guns from MAGA and will likely start with a total AW/Semi ban, soon enough...............Pa here I come.
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So were you lying then or are you lying now ? You told the world about what powers you could use at traffic stops to find criminals. We all called it fishing, while you defended it as good policing. You even told me there was probable cause to believe that any 50 cal ammo can would contain ammunition. I think everybody agreed with me that the vast majority of ammo cans found inside a vehicle would contain tools or a first aid kit, but you said "studies found..." Bullshit. I'm STILL waiting on you to provide the source of those "studies".

So now you're not a cop. You must be a Supreme Court Justice. Maybe Assistant Attorney General.
 
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So were you lying then or are you lying now ? You told the world about what powers you could use at traffic stops to find criminals. We all called it fishing, while you defended it as good policing. You even told me there was probable cause to believe that any 50 cal ammo can would contain ammunition. I think everybody agreed with me that the vast majority of ammo cans found inside a vehicle would contain tools or a first aid kit, but you said "studies found..." Bullshit. I'm STILL waiting on you to provide the source of those "studies".

So now you're not a cop. You must be a Supreme Court Justice. Maybe Assistant Attorney General.
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Bruen also said that permit requirements could not be onerous. Yet, NY has put as many obstacles in the path as they can think of, and youre all for them....because they "keep the animals from getting guns". News flash for you there sport, those "animals" dont apply for permits.
 
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