Senator Lee Unveils National Bill to Override Hostile State Gun Laws

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Hmm... Maybe the "free" states should stop recognizing the privilege of a driver's license from the communist states. Charge exorbitant fees and make people jump through hoops, maybe special tests, to be able to cross a border.

Drive from NY to Florida. But you can't go past the NC/VA border without taking special tests, interviews and paying fees. Then your vehicle will have to be inspected (another fee). Sorry. Those tires are illegal here. You have to buy these tires. But first, we have to check your background and see if we'll allow you to get them. Oh. There's another fee for that.

Better have enough gas to get through because that's another set of checks and charges.

Surely there wouldn't be any problem with imposing such restrictions on a PRIVILEGE. After all, it's to make sure our residents are safe.

No one would stand for those restrictions on a PRIVILEGE but have no issues with them on an enumerated RIGHT
 
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Hmm... Maybe the "free" states should stop recognizing the privilege of a driver's license from the communist states. Charge exorbitant fees and make people jump through hoops, maybe special tests, to be able to cross a border.

Drive from NY to Florida. But you can't go past the NC/VA border without taking special tests, interviews and paying fees. Then your vehicle will have to be inspected (another fee). Sorry. Those tires are illegal here. You have to buy these tires. But first, we have to check your background and see if we'll allow you to get them. Oh. There's another fee for that.

Better have enough gas to get through because that's another set of checks and charges.

Surely there wouldn't be any problem with imposing such restrictions on a PRIVILEGE. After all, it's to make sure our residents are safe.

No one would stand for those restrictions on a PRIVILEGE but have no issues with them on an enumerated RIGHT
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It sounds crazy when you replace "gun" with some other thing, doesn't it?
 
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So were you lying then or are you lying now ? You told the world about what powers you could use at traffic stops to find criminals. We all called it fishing, while you defended it as good policing. You even told me there was probable cause to believe that any 50 cal ammo can would contain ammunition. I think everybody agreed with me that the vast majority of ammo cans found inside a vehicle would contain tools or a first aid kit, but you said "studies found..." Bullshit. I'm STILL waiting on you to provide the source of those "studies".

So now you're not a cop. You must be a Supreme Court Justice. Maybe Assistant Attorney General.
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Dont waste your time.
 
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Incredible, amazing, stupendous, unbelievable and just over the top ignorant of the laws, Government authority, Judicial authority that WE ALL DELEGATED to the Fed when the Constution was ratified in 1790.............that includes you, ALL FUCKING DAY LONG. 1790-2026 makes no diff.

What planet you your live on?


Go and make your own MG's SBR's silencers, Ghosts, etc etc............ you rots allows dit..
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Government authority?? Show me where I consented or signed that contract?? Where is this King you speak of? Shall not be infringed is the Law!! You seem to have a problem with the definition of a Right and a "Privilege" as do some that rule from the bench in Black dresses. We are occupied. Sooner we accept this the sooner we can finally do something.

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Zerex said:
Incredible, amazing, stupendous, unbelievable and just over the top ignorant of the laws, Government authority, Judicial authority that WE ALL DELEGATED to the Fed when the Constution was ratified in 1790.............that includes you, ALL FUCKING DAY LONG. 1790-2026 makes no diff.

What planet you your live on?


Go and make your own MG's SBR's silencers, Ghosts, etc etc............ you rots allows dit..
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No one is more ignorant of the law than anyone who thinks the Constitution gives us our rights. It does not. It protects our rights from government abuse, denial, and infringement.
 
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Zerex said:
You signed it, but were too drunk to remember.

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Wiki??? LMAO! Nobody signed shit!! The real issue is that we have a nation full of uneducated lemmings like yourself who don’t know how to stand on their God given rights. We don’t need any politicians to help us. We simply need to follow the founders lead. There are no “gun laws,” only lawless “firearm” statutes.

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The jails are full of people who thought like that.............imaginary rights.

"The consent of the Governed", does not mean you get to vote every day, on what laws passed by the Governed, that you want to obey....................

The Constitution, for the first time in 10,000 years GRANTED the BOR, to citizens, at least to some of them.....................

GRANTED.............

The natural, god given rights you refer to, WERE NEVER WRITTEN DOWN anywhere, but in your own head.

Even the Bible says "Grant unto Caesar that which is Caesars".......

No where, are natural god given rights, given to anyone automatically.
Life is a food chain or sorts, and the Constitution sets up the parameters...... as do the States.

OBEY

England, Canada, Australia and most other countries only wish that they had a BOR that GRANTED them our rights.
 
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The jails are full of people who thought like that.............imaginary rights.

"The consent of the Governed", does not mean you get to vote every day, on what laws passed by the Governed, that you want to obey....................

The Constitution, for the first time in 10,000 years GRANTED the BOR, to citizens, at least to some of them.....................

GRANTED.............

The natural, god given rights you refer to, WERE NEVER WRITTEN DOWN anywhere, but in your own head.

Even the Bible says "Grant unto Caesar that which is Caesars".......

No where, are natural god given rights, given to anyone automatically.
Life is a food chain or sorts, and the Constitution sets up the parameters...... as do the States.

OBEY

England, Canada, Australia and most other countries only wish that they had a BOR that GRANTED them our rights.
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You dont know what you are talking about. We are the sovereigns and they are our agents. Consent of the governed, but we the people have to know our rights and declare them at all times. The government can’t do shit when you know how to LAWFULLY stand on your God given rights as a true sovereign. Consent of the governed isn’t just a catchphrase.

All government without the consent of the governed is the very definition of slavery.

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The fucking Dec Ind is NOT a law, never was............ it was propaganda of the day, to unite the Colonies...................total imagination regarding, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, ............................the DI never listed assembling AR-15's or not paying your taxes.
 
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The fucking Dec Ind is NOT a law, never was............ it was propaganda of the day, to unite the Colonies...................total imagination regarding, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, ............................the DI never listed assembling AR-15's or not paying your taxes.
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Well, you're right...sort-of. The Declaration of Independence is not a law. It was a letter drafted by representatives of the citizens of Colonial America to the King of England that said "We're sick of your bullshit and we ain't gonna play your games no more !" That letter was followed up with men taking action to see to it that the King's forces did not subjugate the colonies further. A long, hard fought war ensued with a great amount of bloodshed on both sides until September 3, 1783 when the Treaty of Paris was signed in which King George III submitted and recognized that the colonies were a sovereign nation.

Ironically, it WAS about taxes. And much more. And, the Revolution BEGAN as a result of GUN CONTROL. Gun control that the citizens disagreed with and had the fortitude to stand against.
 
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Zerex said:
The mentality or lack of education, that makes some people believe that they were born free, and natural rights only govern their conduct...........shit,some even quote God as the basis for law breaking.

Good

The Social Contract has been in existence for 10,000 years..................society was ruled by Kings, Chiefs, Deapots, etc, etc.

Only since 1790 have we had a Constitution that gives us some rights that people have not had in 10,000 years.

Believing that the Govt has taken your natural rights,------- to own machine guns, bombs, and other WMD, and to live off the grid, not paying the IRS taxes or similar bullshit ,is just so ignorant.

Can't live off grid in NYS and many other states...........many states ban MG's etc. We live with it. the Constitution is not based upon natural rights.........

Rights not reserved to the Feds, are delegated to the States and any left over are the peoples oto a certain LIMITED extent.

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Just because someone is infringing on your rights doesn't mean you don't have them.

The existence of rapists doesn't mean women don't have a right to say no. It's like that with government overreach too.

The opposite is also true. Just because you get away with it doesn't mean it was OK. 50% of murderers go unpunished, that doesn't mean they were within their rights.
 
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The jails are full of people who thought like that.............imaginary rights.

"The consent of the Governed", does not mean you get to vote every day, on what laws passed by the Governed, that you want to obey....................

The Constitution, for the first time in 10,000 years GRANTED the BOR, to citizens, at least to some of them.....................

GRANTED.............

The natural, god given rights you refer to, WERE NEVER WRITTEN DOWN anywhere, but in your own head.

Even the Bible says "Grant unto Caesar that which is Caesars".......

No where, are natural god given rights, given to anyone automatically.
Life is a food chain or sorts, and the Constitution sets up the parameters...... as do the States.

OBEY

England, Canada, Australia and most other countries only wish that they had a BOR that GRANTED them our rights.
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And graveyards are full of tyrants that thought "following orders" put them on the right side of morality.
 
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Well the Articles of Confederation lasted from 1783 to 1790 or so when the US Constitution was ratified.............BY THE PEOPLE

It was so bad, that almost total anarchy existed.. no laws but State Laws........ that it had 7 presidents in that time showed it was powerless.

The Federalist Papers is a small book, explaining to the citizens of the day why they should vote for and ratify the Constitution and the BOR, creating a strong Federal Government.

It was ratified, and all the so called natural rights returned to the FED, the States and whatever was left over to the people.

The Whiskey Rebellion in Pittsburgh, was an example of the new police state.
 
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You signed it, but were too drunk to remember.

en.wikipedia.org

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Its pretty clear you have no idea what a "Sovereign Citizen" is. Nothing mentioned in this post falls under SC nonsense. The "I didn't sign a contract" thing isnt something only believed by SC. As "free" people we should be allowed to opt out. Give away all government involvement. Stop paying taxes, stop driving on government roads, stop receiving free police and ambulance services, and stop following excessive laws with no victims.
 
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Sovereign citizens act just like the George Floyd rioters, the Antifa Rioters, the Minneapolis rioters...............everyone making up their own laws.
 
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You people are so far out of the LE loop that it makes it fertile ground for
the NYSP and ATF, nationwide.

Latest ATF arrests are posted on a daily basis...people who should know better but do not believe, that like ghosts and Bigfoot, that the ATF and NYSP are just fiction.

NYSP arrests get posted here regularly.

Protect your self............. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars. It ain;t 1785 anymore.

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What the fk does @Bigfoot got to do with any of this ?????


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Sovereign citizens act just like the George Floyd rioters, the Antifa Rioters, the Minneapolis rioters...............everyone making up their own laws.
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Nope, SC are rarely violent. They simply believe that as free people, they shouldn't have to follow arbitrary laws, or abide by laws pertaining to victimless crimes.
They are absolutely wrong in every single way. Many blacks claim to be indigenous Moorish Sovereign citizens. The whites have just joined the group.
They believe they dont need government permission to drive, own property, carry guns. And they dont believe in paying taxes or fines from the government.
But, where they get it all wrong is that the state and federal government owns the roads, and government property. The SC wrongly interpret and follow follow the "Articles Of Confederation" and Blacks Law Book. Both of which were completely overwritten in 1789 by the US constitution.
Again, you are clueless about the goofy Sovereign Citizen movement. It has NOTHING to do with rioting or George Floyd....or this "social contract" you spoke of. They say they haven't signed a contract with the government, so they dont need permission, permits, or licenses to drive, build houses, carry firearms....
The "social contract" idea is more of a neo libertarian concept. Similar, but they understand having licenses and permissions are necessary because they anarchy would ensue without them. Their "social contract" is more about not paying taxes for services they dont use, and abolishing welfare and state and national borders. Like not paying school tax if they have no kids, and not paying road taxes if they dont drive.
 
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