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NO ONE acts on these so called natural rights, sovereign citizen ideas, unless they want to end up in jail.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", sounds like a prostitute/drug addict, just out of jail

No law allows that behavior, without limits.

You do not live on your imagined ideals, as you are able to post here and not from the Pen.

You pay your property taxes, pay the rent, power bills, phone, the IRS, avoid DWI, use the Post Office, and let traffic drive by your homes, without charging them a tax,

You do not take what you want by gun. You buy auto ins and home ins, have credit cards, buy groceries and eat what you do not grow.............off gridding is illegal in NYS due to zoning and Health Dept codes.

Yep, plenty of MG's, HC mags, and AW's, others in the hands of NY'ers. Everybody has seen them....... and heard the bragging. NYSP find them regularly.

No natural rights have applied, generally, since we pacified the Native Americans. Their Casinos suck in the people, who want something for nothing. Good for them.

I only wear a bow tie with a Tux, and no we do not wear bowling shirts while shooting Trap.
 
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Zerex said:
NO ONE acts on these so called natural rights, sovereign citizen ideas, unless they want to end up in jail.
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American citizens lawfully enjoy and exercise these rights all day long, every day.
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"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
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Someone doesn’t know the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
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No law allows that behavior, without limits.
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Laws don’t ALLOW behaviors; they proscribe penalties for violations thereof.
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You pay your property taxes…
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Taxation by representation. As old as America itself.
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You do not take what you want by gun.
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Lawful citizens do not commit armed robbery. I agree with you on this.
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No natural rights have applied, generally, since we pacified the Native Americans.
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Incorrect. Natural rights certainly still exist today, and are employed by everyone, even criminals.
 
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Gunshops, are like the top of Mt Everest for most minority gun buyers and women............almost off limits.

It is like a man going into a Victoria's Secret/longerie section.

Like a fish out of water; straw man buyers are less and less due to FFL observance. I have seen several instances of the FFL asking a person to leave who is obviously not a person the FFL wanted in his store or the real buyer..............Ra-Lins in Syr.

I bought a gun years ago, as the original GB order/purchaser was refused by the NICS check, and the FFL sold it to me at a discount.

Ten round mags are fine for me.......................Garands used 8 rounds and won WWII.

AR'15's in Vietnam used up 50,000 rounds per VC kill, when averaged out.

Adapt.
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Funny I have never seen a two way trap range, IDPA, or cowboy match and I have been to a lot of them. To call a person a deadly shot because he competes is a joke.

They may be accurate one may even say “deadly accurate,” but until a person has been on a two way range they cannot be called deadly or a killer.

No amount of gun games practice prepares you pointing that weapon at a human being and putting them down. In that moment you either have it in you or you don’t.

The reasons for rounds per body in combat are many. One being suppressive fire. Suppressive fire allows you to get out of a bad situation or get into position to take advantage of the situation.

Thousands of rounds are expended just to be able to move onto or off of the objective. Body count does not enter into the equation. Sure it would be great to kill everyone there but that is not the reason for suppressive fire.

Ambush is another reason. Overwhelming fire brought on the enemy positions, does not mean one shot per enemy. It usually means thousands of rounds are thrown into the kill box to make sure nothing come out of it.

Another is Soldiers did not go on patrol to kill the enemy, they go out to deny the the area to the enemy. Only the Door kicker and snipers are looking to kill the enemy. Everyone else is happy to avoid a firefight and is trying to survive the one they got into.

Another is not everyone has it in them to kill, putting lead in the enemies direction is not the same as shooting to kill.

When the targets start shooting back at the gun games rounds counts per hit count will also go up.
 
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Funny I have never seen a two way trap range, IDPA, or cowboy match and I have been to a lot of them. To call a person a deadly shot because he competes is a joke.

They may be accurate one may even say “deadly accurate,” but until a person has been on a two way range they cannot be called deadly or a killer.

No amount of gun games practice prepares you pointing that weapon at a human being and putting them down. In that moment you either have it in you or you don’t.

The reasons for rounds per body in combat are many. One being suppressive fire. Suppressive fire allows you to get out of a bad situation or get into position to take advantage of the situation.

Thousands of rounds are expended just to be able to move onto or off of the objective. Body count does not enter into the equation. Sure it would be great to kill everyone there but that is not the reason for suppressive fire.

Ambush is another reason. Overwhelming fire brought on the enemy positions, does not mean one shot per enemy. It usually means thousands of rounds are thrown into the kill box to make sure nothing come out of it.

Another is Soldiers did not go on patrol to kill the enemy, they go out to deny the the area to the enemy. Only the Door kicker and snipers are looking to kill the enemy. Everyone else is happy to avoid a firefight and is trying to survive the one they got into.

Another is not everyone has it in them to kill, putting lead in the enemies direction is not the same as shooting to kill.

When the targets start shooting back at the gun games rounds counts per hit count will also go up.
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For sure, real firefights are where you find out who you are, what you're made of, and what you're willing to do.
 
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I beg to differ. The NYSATA trap association home grounds in Cicero NY have a huge facility, partially paid for by NYS. Automatic traps, and the big shoots bring in 400+ shooters for a long weekend.

It is part of the Bridgeport Trap Club on Bull Road Cicero, NY, next to the Cicero ESTA Dragstrip

Home of Bridgeport Rod & Gun Club, Cicero NY

MENU Pepper steak with fried rice $10.95 12 Chicken Wings (variety of sauces) $10.00 Fried Haddock Dinner w/ Two Sides $13.95 Fried Clam Roll ...
www.bridgeportrodandgunny.com

30+ trap fields accommodate the shooters who come from all around the Northeast.

Hitting all 25 birds each round of 25 shots, in a 100 clay bird shoot is common, even I have done it..........have you?

Trap guns are built for shooing high, at fast rising clay rising birds....... Igenerally shoot up to 1000 reloads per event, including the several 100 and 200 bird shoots, plus doubles, and practice fields.

No drinking is allowed during shoots and bow ties are required.

I am as conservative a gun owner as there is and own registered AW's etc etc........do you?

Gimme a break, this is all over imaginary natural rights, that conflict with actual laws, ru;les, reg, etc.

Don't get me going on skeet or sporting clays or 5 stand.

Shotgun shooters are top notch shooters and shoot a lot in local winter and summer leagues, and at the big shoots.

Kay Ohye is a machine.,..I have seen him shoot 700 straight without a miss.

I saw Rudy Etchen a Remington factory Team shooter do the same but with an 870 Trap, not a Krieghof.

The AR 15 is not the only gun in the world, just one, full featured that you likelly cannot own. I own several thsat I can take out in the sunlight.do you?

Kids at the range with NYS AR's are deadly at 50 yards................right?
Practicing for house to house searches right?.
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12 states will soon have SAFE ACTs.......

The Dems believe that they are hurting MAGA who already own guns galore.

These acts are typically, poorly thought out liberal cunt mentality, believing that they are getting rid of all evil AW's, when all the law does is keep their minority heros disarmed, legally speaking, and unable to buy en masse to kill off whitey.

Cuba is abut to fall and the Dems will be hanging themselves soon.

SCOTUS Obviously knows this and is keeping the lid on the whole AW issue, as it is as racist an org as can be, and is keeping the minorities disarmed by timeclock, allowing only whites to own them.

FACT
 
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Is it not a goddam oxymoron to say you’re super conservative and own REGISTERED AW’s?
 
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Anyone else, owning full featured and unregistered AW's in this state are unfortunately criminals, not patriots, who you deceive yourselves to be.

I do not like the law, but I obey it. I like guns.

I registered mine ten or so AWs, and got rid of my HC mags, unlike others.

How many years has it been? 2013....13 years and counting, for the liberation day that ain't comin.

Waiting to be drafted into an apocalyptic, heroic event, come the day........waiting, waiting hiding, hiding.............real 1970's SOF magazine post Vietnam bullshit.............. and then the house catches fire or neighbor complains,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and the weapons are discovered.... FUCKED!!!

Can't takem out to the range, if a nosy range officer askes to see the AW license or sees the HC mag and is a registered FUDD protecting the range!!

Fudds were traditionally WWII vets who hunted deer and birds with rifles and shotguns........ most all dead now...............no Garands to speak of.

Post Vietnam, the AR became popular; I have an early Colt SP1 that was so desired, but caused many to go insane, paranoid on both the left and right............

1986 saw the new MG ban... Was not enough.

Ruby Ridge Waco, OK City
Full stop

AWB was Federal in1994.........NYS followed and then the Safe Act...................as the other 11 states are instrumenting now.

Do not piss into the wind, and call yourself a "minute-man." patriot.

Infringed? You could have owned a full featured AR in NYS, if you registered them and were not interpreting the law, like Perry Mason.

Blame yourself.......or move to a free state.
I'm stayin
 
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Funny I have never seen a two way trap range, IDPA, or cowboy match and I have been to a lot of them. To call a person a deadly shot because he competes is a joke.

They may be accurate one may even say “deadly accurate,” but until a person has been on a two way range they cannot be called deadly or a killer.

No amount of gun games practice prepares you pointing that weapon at a human being and putting them down. In that moment you either have it in you or you don’t.

The reasons for rounds per body in combat are many. One being suppressive fire. Suppressive fire allows you to get out of a bad situation or get into position to take advantage of the situation.

Thousands of rounds are expended just to be able to move onto or off of the objective. Body count does not enter into the equation. Sure it would be great to kill everyone there but that is not the reason for suppressive fire.

Ambush is another reason. Overwhelming fire brought on the enemy positions, does not mean one shot per enemy. It usually means thousands of rounds are thrown into the kill box to make sure nothing come out of it.

Another is Soldiers did not go on patrol to kill the enemy, they go out to deny the the area to the enemy. Only the Door kicker and snipers are looking to kill the enemy. Everyone else is happy to avoid a firefight and is trying to survive the one they got into.

Another is not everyone has it in them to kill, putting lead in the enemies direction is not the same as shooting to kill.

When the targets start shooting back at the gun games rounds counts per hit count will also go up.
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Words from a man that I expect has been there,done that.
Somewhere along the line, maybe Basic Training when the question arose of why we were shooting "Pop-Up" Ivan Targets and it came down to the basic psychology of Men inherently opposed to killing another man...Rifles recovered from the Civil war were found to have been loaded and reloaded again without actually being fired, soldiers thought they were shooting in the heat of Battle and reloading without having actually pulled the trigger.
You never know until you know.
 
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50,000 5.56 rounds per dead VC in Vietnam................typical, of todays accuracy, at 50 yards, by commandos.

Two way trap ranges for clay targets??........PSYCHO hatred.

Most kills in modern war are from artillery, booby traps, IED/s or snipers........... just many wounded, and then maybe some angry covering fire in response that is just spray spray spray blindly at area targets, no different than the hadjis.

House to house, like Marines and Army did, is nothing you are ever going to do in real life, in America .

Angrily hide your AR............. for come the day..I have seen it all over the last 50-60 years.
Post traumatic stress Syndrome in many vets, is a result of your two way contests over time.

There is no need for a sniper at the local trap club................. to TEACH the FUDDS a lesson.

You may be beyond help.

The Safe ACT is working.
 
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The SAFE ACT is working ? Really ? Can you give me evidence of that ? Has the crime rate dropped to zero ? Did all the gang-bangers turn in their unregistered guns and quit dealing drugs ? Are there no more turf wars, or drive-bys because someone dissed someone else ?

No, I don't see the SAFE ACT doing ANYTHING other than fucking over some guy that happened to get caught with a mag that holds more than 10 rounds while not hurting anyone.
 
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How hard is it to buy a street gun?

Have to generally be in a ghetto and be a trusted man.

Gun trafficking is way down due to LE, but they exist largely now due to gun shop robberies and home robberies........needing 4 non criminal persons, preferably with PP's, certify in writing to your mental health sanity, to own a hand gun, AND review by a lib Judge.................That removes 50% of BLM and they rest do not know any law abiding citizens.

The PP Law was originally, obviously written by the CSA and Robert E Lee. NYS just copied it.

Straw man transfers are about locked down, due to ATF scrutiny on FFL's.

The Pistol permit process in NYS is insanely difficult and that is for a law abiding citizen.

So yeah I do not see any AR's on the street and the loss of HC mags and full featured AW's well that goes with the territory.

I got mine
I am safer and so are Cops, due to the ACT that I hated. It is 2026, not 2013 and the degradation of society is here..........thank God the stupid Dems disarmed their people so badly, that they are basically back to legally disarmed, slavery.

That's a fact Jack.
 
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He has a point just look at the ump teen million years of the war on drugs is working.
I mean a point on the head for sitting in the corner.
 
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Oh I know all about safe act non compliance.......... I am not one of them

In NYS if I recall only 23,000 people registered their 43,000 guns.
It was estimated that over 2 million AW's existed in NYS alone, same with Connecticut.

I know the guy who wrote the Safe Act, with AC.
Yep.

I was interviewed by him, and I explained what the existing NYS AW law was,--- on grandfathered HC mags, etc, and the two AW features allowed at the time, and how Garands were the greatest.

I had no idea that I was part of it being written.
Garands were exempted..the 50 year limit.

I basically had no choice about signing up, and did, as did my friends, At the gun range plenty did not register, but the guns and people disappeared.

They mean business, other wise they would have allowed registration like handguns to continue for AW's and to be able to sell to other registrees...........

They want no Semi's in NYS and that's a fact.

I want the law changed but that is just me.

the danger of a George Floyd or Hamas mob or anti ICE mob of 7-800 rioting with 40-70 AR's in the communist crowds, has been largely eliminated, by the 4473 NICS and Safe Acts now being enacted..

Disarming every angry minority, who wants to kill the White Middle Class, with OTC AR's, is what SCOTUS is doing.

That your rots have been abridged is clear but the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself to allow scum to arm themselves, even if your ability to buy AR's is truncated..............ignoring the pig picture, in favor of personal opinions is just tuff titty.

Go buy a NYS Compliant AR, and enjoy it, if you can pass NICS. 60-90 million Americans cannot do so due to DV convictions.

I am pro gun, way pro guns, just no guns for the disqualified, and dangerous scum out there.
 
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Try this.
We call them criminals and out laws because they do not follow the laws!
Therefore the law puts law abiding citizens at a disadvantage.
See why you are being laughed at yet?
 
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Oh I know all about safe act non compliance.......... I am not one of them

In NYS if I recall only 23,000 people registered their 43,000 guns.
It was estimated that over 2 million AW's existed in NYS alone, same with Connecticut.

I know the guy who wrote the Safe Act, with AC.
Yep.

I was interviewed by him, and I explained what the existing NYS AW law was,--- on grandfathered HC mags, etc, and the two AW features allowed at the time, and how Garands were the greatest.

I had no idea that I was part of it being written.
Garands were exempted..the 50 year limit.

I basically had no choice about signing up, and did, as did my friends, At the gun range plenty did not register, but the guns and people disappeared.

They mean business, other wise they would have allowed registration like handguns to continue for AW's and to be able to sell to other registrees...........

They want no Semi's in NYS and that's a fact.

I want the law changed but that is just me.

the danger of a George Floyd or Hamas mob or anti ICE mob of 7-800 rioting with 40-70 AR's in the communist crowds, has been largely eliminated, by the 4473 NICS and Safe Acts now being enacted..

Disarming every angry minority, who wants to kill the White Middle Class, with OTC AR's, is what SCOTUS is doing.

That your rots have been abridged is clear but the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself to allow scum to arm themselves, even if your ability to buy AR's is truncated..............ignoring the pig picture, in favor of personal opinions is just tuff titty.

Go buy a NYS Compliant AR, and enjoy it, if you can pass NICS. 60-90 million Americans cannot do so due to DV convictions.

I am pro gun, way pro guns, just no guns for the disqualified, and dangerous scum out there.
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The unsafe act has ZERO impact on people who intend to do harm/commit crime. Just look at the guy who had a compliant AR and removed the fixed magazine part and went and shot up a store with it. People with bad intentions wont be stopped by laws or else we would have ZERO crime. And people always had to go through a bgc's, and the disqualifiers are still the same so the unsafe has no impact on that. Violent crime rates trend up and down and its been no different the past 20 years with only minor % points up or down in NY.

People with bad intentions will do what they want. It only hurts the good people who follow the law to avoid trouble with the law by denying our RKBA.

Living in a free society has risks and rewards. With your logic alcohol should be illegal, and driving cars should be illegal with forced mass transportation. I cant subscribe to that kind of thinking.
 
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