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In support of the coalition, the German Deutsche Luftstreitkräfte have been spotted flying toward Tehran.


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EDIT: Ah, never mind. Come to find out it's Fake News.



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holdover said:
I dont think they will, but ya never know. I guess the Russians and Chinese have given them some some serious anti ship missiles . but I think they have had enough for now .
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Great Britan reports it looks like IRG struck a British Tanker in UAE waters with an unidentified projectile, potentially small arms fire like they used the other week to shoot out Bridge windows.

 
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holdover said:
Nah, I cant wait to point out how you supported this the whole time, but that day hasnt come yet , but it will. Your grasp of the situation is childish, ignorant to the point of almost fanatical .

You want to know whats gonna happen? Pick up a history book, everything is right there for you to see , but your to far behind the power curve now . The situation is dynamic and fluctuating and complex, you dont seem to have a real grasp of whats happening.

You apparently think I saying these things because I just hate Trump. LOL I voted for him 3 times. I dont agree with this war one bit because it was done on behalf of a foreign government. Our money, Our blood, Our troops. Well fuck that shit , let that third world shit hole fight its own wars

I dont think Trump can be bought, but he can be lied to
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The closest historical parallel would be Operation Praying Mantis.

That did not work out well for Iran.
 
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Strait of Hormuz is not a man-made passage, nor is it inner waters of Iran. There is no precedent for charging toll for passage through. BUT this wasn't a problem, until U.S. decided to launch a barbaric unprovoked attack on Iran.
 
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spat said:
The closest historical parallel would be Operation Praying Mantis.

That did not work out well for Iran.
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From a tactical perspective , you can make that argument , the results are nearly the same , from a larger strategic perspective which I was infering , its a fucking mess . It wont work out well for us as you will see . The Roman empire, The British empire, the Third Reich, , Japanese empire The US civil and revolutionary wars .

Your focusing on a successful one day battle and not the war itself ( in that instance there really was no war) but anyway ,

I can demonstrate the brilliant success of the one day attack on Pearl Harbor . Where an enemy with superior, experience, weapons and tactics crippled the American fleet in a single day . Now if I had told you that afternoon in 41, that Japan was fucked , you would have told me I was an idiot , the whole western coast was wide open . because your focusing on the tactical , and not the strategic. Strategically , Japan was fucked from day one. it was an almost inevitable conclusion that japan would lose, which the Japanese generals were well aware of and warned against .

The brilliant battles of General lee in the civil war, defeating forces twice his size. he was an absolute Genius , but in the end , the war was almost a foregone conclusion from the start , they could not gain recognition from Europe preventing supply s. a war of attrition the Confederacy could not sustain due to a much smaller population. Had I told you in 1861 after Lees victorys that the south was fucked, again you would have thought I was nut s.

Vietnam, should I say more? no navy, tiny airforce, shitty soldiers ( by our standards) technically inferior in every way should not have any chance against the US and south Vietnamese forces, and Yet they ended up losing every major battle and winning the war , Not by military dominance but strategically , The US could have won the war if they changed the strategy and invaded the North. but because of a shitty strategy and pure arrogance they lost the war. although not militarily .

Our strategy's in Iran are flawed,hence We will will not win this conflict in the long run. Not because we suck. we dont suck. but our leaders suck.

Just because we have the best and most lethal aircraft and pilots ever seen on this planet , some morons feels its a foregone gone conclusion, let me say, its not . If the strategy is flawed the outcome is predictable. Wars are won on the strategic level , not the tactical.

So when the American and Israeli flags fly over Tehran, then you can come back here and rub my nose in my own shit, but I promise you thats never gonna happen
 
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So it sounds like a bit of semantics...

Trump is calling this a humanitarian operation to avoid the legality of the war powers timeline.

If/when Iran fires on the US, they will say we are actually acting in self defense during a humanitarian operation.

Interesting.
 
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holdover said:
From a tactical perspective , you can make that argument , the results are nearly the same , from a larger strategic perspective which I was infering , its a fucking mess . It wont work out well for us as you will see . The Roman empire, The British empire, the Third Reich, , Japanese empire The US civil and revolutionary wars .

Your focusing on a successful one day battle and not the war itself ( in that instance there really was no war) but anyway ,

I can demonstrate the brilliant success of the one day attack on Pearl Harbor . Where an enemy with superior, experience, weapons and tactics crippled the American fleet in a single day . Now if I had told you that afternoon in 41, that Japan was fucked , you would have told me I was an idiot , the whole western coast was wide open . because your focusing on the tactical , and not the strategic. Strategically , Japan was fucked from day one. it was an almost inevitable conclusion that japan would lose, which the Japanese generals were well aware of and warned against .

The brilliant battles of General lee in the civil war, defeating forces twice his size. he was an absolute Genius , but in the end , the war was almost a foregone conclusion from the start , they could not gain recognition from Europe preventing supply s. a war of attrition the Confederacy could not sustain due to a much smaller population. Had I told you in 1861 after Lees victorys that the south was fucked, again you would have thought I was nut s.

Vietnam, should I say more? no navy, tiny airforce, shitty soldiers ( by our standards) technically inferior in every way should not have any chance against the US and south Vietnamese forces, and Yet they ended up losing every major battle and winning the war , Not by military dominance but strategically , The US could have won the war if they changed the strategy and invaded the North. but because of a shitty strategy and pure arrogance they lost the war. although not militarily .

Our strategy's in Iran are flawed,hence We will will not win this conflict in the long run. Not because we suck. we dont suck. but our leaders suck.

Just because we have the best and most lethal aircraft and pilots ever seen on this planet , some morons feels its a foregone gone conclusion, let me say, its not . If the strategy is flawed the outcome is predictable. Wars are won on the strategic level , not the tactical.

So when the American and Israeli flags fly over Tehran, then you can come back here and rub my nose in my own shit, but I promise you thats never gonna happen
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Iran is not the Vietnam of 1964-1973, Iran is not Iraq of 1991. History is not an exact science. Iran 2026 is Iran 2026. ReReading some of the previous @tirwin1 posts citing Garcia and Boyd would be worthwhile.

"The Iranians are not the Iraqis of 1991.

They are not the Afghans of 2001.

They are not the North Vietnamese, the Soviets, the Wehrmacht, or the Persian Empire.

They are themselves.

Anyone in the Situation Room running the Iran problem through the 1991 playbook is asking to be ambushed."

Iran 2026, like all past hot spots is complicated and no course has 100% certainty in the final outcomes. Doing nothing while Iran builds nuclear and intercontinental missle capabilities does, however, present a very dark likely outcome.
 
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holdover said:
From a tactical perspective , you can make that argument , the results are nearly the same , from a larger strategic perspective which I was infering , its a fucking mess . It wont work out well for us as you will see . The Roman empire, The British empire, the Third Reich, , Japanese empire The US civil and revolutionary wars .

Your focusing on a successful one day battle and not the war itself ( in that instance there really was no war) but anyway ,

I can demonstrate the brilliant success of the one day attack on Pearl Harbor . Where an enemy with superior, experience, weapons and tactics crippled the American fleet in a single day . Now if I had told you that afternoon in 41, that Japan was fucked , you would have told me I was an idiot , the whole western coast was wide open . because your focusing on the tactical , and not the strategic. Strategically , Japan was fucked from day one. it was an almost inevitable conclusion that japan would lose, which the Japanese generals were well aware of and warned against .

The brilliant battles of General lee in the civil war, defeating forces twice his size. he was an absolute Genius , but in the end , the war was almost a foregone conclusion from the start , they could not gain recognition from Europe preventing supply s. a war of attrition the Confederacy could not sustain due to a much smaller population. Had I told you in 1861 after Lees victorys that the south was fucked, again you would have thought I was nut s.

Vietnam, should I say more? no navy, tiny airforce, shitty soldiers ( by our standards) technically inferior in every way should not have any chance against the US and south Vietnamese forces, and Yet they ended up losing every major battle and winning the war , Not by military dominance but strategically , The US could have won the war if they changed the strategy and invaded the North. but because of a shitty strategy and pure arrogance they lost the war. although not militarily .

Our strategy's in Iran are flawed,hence We will will not win this conflict in the long run. Not because we suck. we dont suck. but our leaders suck.

Just because we have the best and most lethal aircraft and pilots ever seen on this planet , some morons feels its a foregone gone conclusion, let me say, its not . If the strategy is flawed the outcome is predictable. Wars are won on the strategic level , not the tactical.

So when the American and Israeli flags fly over Tehran, then you can come back here and rub my nose in my own shit, but I promise you thats never gonna happen
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We will see how this works out.

But I see any outcome where Iran loses their enriched Uranium as a win. That's the whole point of the endeavor.

If there is a friendly regime in place in Tehran at the end, that's just a bonus. We've already effected a regime change I think twice, just haven't found a good one yet, so you can't set that as a "victory condition".

The straight of Hormuz being open is a guaranteed element, even if we completely walked away the rest of the world powers *would* open it. They care a lot more about that than we do.

So, that leaves the Uranium as the only possible "victory condition" you can set. Right now nobody controls it. When we control it, then we have won, it's that simple.
 
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Iran is not the Vietnam of 1964-1973, Iran is not Iraq of 1991. History is not an exact science. Iran 2026 is Iran 2026. ReReading some of the previous @tirwin1 posts citing Garcia and Boyd would be worthwhile.

"The Iranians are not the Iraqis of 1991.

They are not the Afghans of 2001.

They are not the North Vietnamese, the Soviets, the Wehrmacht, or the Persian Empire.

They are themselves.
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Of course.
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Iran 2026, like all past hot spots is complicated and no course has 100% certainty in the final outcomes. Doing nothing while Iran builds nuclear and intercontinental missle capabilities does, however, present a very dark likely outcome.
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Ok.

But if your insinuating that historical precedence has little or no value , then I dont know why they would teach it at US army war collage at west point . I suppose they're just dummy's . Lessons can be learned from An insurgency in India in the 18'00s , the rebellions against Rome the militias in Gaza have similarities that time,and culture do not change. Regardless of the people . We dont use horses any more but they still study Ghenghis khan because of his tactical and strategic genius , Lessons can be learned and applied, strategy can be developed . the use of the double envelopment by Hannibal was effective 2000 years ago as it is today , obviously done differently today, but its still effective and used by Both sides in the Ukraine war today

Of course it does
 
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holdover said:
But if your insinuating that historical precedence has little or no value , then I dont know why they would teach it at US army war collage at west point .
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Lol.

Never said that. Neither did Garcia or Boyd.

Anyway they don't teach shit at "US Army War College at West Point". Mostly because it's in Carlisle PA. Game, Set, Match.
 
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spat said:
We will see how this works out.

But I see any outcome where Iran loses their enriched Uranium as a win. That's the whole point of the endeavor.
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Well by that standard We won the war already , Trump already announced the destruction of the nuclear facility's where they were making it, the storage areas holding it have been"""Completely destroyed"" the scientists ''Killed""
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If there is a friendly regime in place in Tehran at the end, that's just a bonus.
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It sure would, but its not likely to happen or last long.

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The straight of Hormuz being open is a guaranteed element,
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Well that battle is not over just yet. they want the straights open too of course , But they do have the ability to close the straights with mines land based anti ship missiles and long range artillery. However since both sides really want it open there's room for an agreement .

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Lol.

Never said that. Neither did Garcia or Boyd.

Anyway they don't teach shit at "US Army War College at West Point". Mostly because it's in Carlisle PA. Game, Set, Match.
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ohh ya got me there man. good one.
 
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So, that leaves the Uranium as the only possible "victory condition" you can set.
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If thats the only victory condition , We already won. its all been destroyed. wars over.

Of course we both know that iran will continue to aquire nukes because it has no other option than to surrender to the west .

Iran will continue to aquire nukes until it has them or they are totally destroyed.
 
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We sank 6 Iranian boats for firing on USA flagged vessels.

How could Iran shoot cruise missiles at us? I thought they were all destroyed?

Strait of Hormuz: The US military “blew up” six Iranian boats in the Strait of Hormuz Monday after Tehran launched “multiple cruise missiles, drones and small boats” at American Navy ships and commercial vessels, US Central Command said.
 
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holdover said:
ohh ya got me there man. good one.
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Yeah, it was easy. The generous taxpayers of this Great Republic spent a fortune on my under graduate and graduate education with a very modest military obligation that I was proud to meet but the military insisted it included war strategies / history for my commission. Go figure.
 
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The United Arab Emirates says its air defenses are responding to a missile threat on Monday.

The country's National Emergency Crisis and Disaster Management Authority announced the attack in a post on social media.

"Air defense systems are currently responding to a missile threat. Please remain in a safe location and follow official channels for warnings and updates," the statement read.

The UAE's defense ministry says it intercepted four missiles launched from Iran, Reuters reported.

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holdover said:
If thats the only victory condition , We already won. its all been destroyed. wars over.

Of course we both know that iran will continue to aquire nukes because it has no other option than to surrender to the west .

Iran will continue to aquire nukes until it has them or they are totally destroyed.
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The only way to destroy enriched uranium would be to mix it with depleted uranium back down to a natural level..

Just burying it under a mountain as a pile of dust doesn't destroy it, you can dig it back up and extract it from the dirt much more easily than you can enrich more.

It's true, that a belligerent administration in Iran can continue to try to acquire nuclear weapons, but that Uranium is the sum total of decades of effort. We destroyed the infrastructure they built over that time last summer. All that is left from those decades of effort is that uranium.

If we acquire that, then their nuclear program will be back to where it was in the 90s.

The problem is that it takes an enormous industrial effort to enrich uranium, it basically can't be done in secret, and we can just destroy any facility they build to do it anytime we want.

But making a bomb out of the enriched uranium just takes a decent chemistry lab and machine shop.

If we get that uranium, and we just don't let them build a new enrichment facility, we can keep them out of the nuclear club forever.

As for surrendering to the west, that ultimately *is* their only option, the only question is what terms that surrender will be under.
 
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SonOfSun said:
This war was demanded by Israel. So says the US government.
Source: State.gov - Operation Epic Fury and International Law

Direct from the state department: ​
"On February 28, the United States Armed Forces launched Operation Epic Fury with a set of clear objectives: to “[d]estroy Iranian offensive missiles, destroy Iranian missile production, destroy [Iran’s] navy and other security infrastructure,” and, finally, ensure that Iran “will never have nuclear weapons.”​
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Epic Fury is only the latest round of an ongoing international armed conflict with Iran. As the United States has explained in multiple letters to the U.N. Security Council, including most recently on March 10, the United States is engaged in this conflict at the request of and in the collective self-defense of its Israeli ally"​




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Yeah they need to fight their own fucking war! This is not America First at all.
 
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spat said:
The only way to destroy enriched uranium would be to mix it with depleted uranium back down to a natural level..
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We could also use either natural Uranium (about 0.7% U235) or depleted Uranium (about 0.25% U235) to mix with Iran's Enriched Uranium (claimed to be 60% U235) to make commercial nuclear power reactor fuel (usually 2 to 3 percent which maintains a negative reactivity coefficient following BOL physics testing during power generation in large core geometry US commercial reactors).
 
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Steal2B said:
We could also use either natural Uranium (about 0.7% U235) or depleted Uranium (about 0.25% U235) to mix with Iran's Enriched Uranium (claimed to be 60% U235) to make commercial nuclear power reactor fuel (usually 2 to 3 percent which maintains a negative reactivity coefficient following BOL physics testing during power generation in large core geometry US commercial reactors).
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Top off those preps. The deep state wants this to continue. With the blockaid along with all those refineries magically blown up this will plunge us into another World War without a doubt. The Col is dead on with his analysis about the Greater Israel project.

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spat said:
But making a bomb out of the enriched uranium just takes a decent chemistry lab and machine shop.



As for surrendering to the west, that ultimately *is* their only option, the only question is what terms that surrender will be under.
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what if they steal or buy ""the precious"" and hide it deep inside the misty mountains ?

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If Iran's Enriched Uranium was given to Russia, they'd most likely dilute it down to fabricate fuel pellets.

Russia would then make a fortune selling the pellets ( or rods with these pellets) to the US or Western countries for use in commercial power reactors.

It's a market Russia started serving many years ago.
 
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holdover said:
I had no idea WTF you just said . o_O
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I was afraid of that after I typed it but I figured many here, especially former military would follow the Uranium enrichment conversation. I should have stuck with the Tennessee bootlegger approach especially for our fine members who are Marines or Army Force Sustainment.
 
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