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FP1201 said:
WHERE oh please fucking show me where I wrote that I support Israel?
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Oh you dont support them?

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Sounds to me like YOU are the "Jew Hater" and anyone that doesn't accept your line of thought is somehow anti-American.
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Zionist hater, 100%. not a Jew hater, plenty of Jews are anti Zionist too.

Well yeah when you put another country's interests before our own. yes your anti American .
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I strongly suggest you spend a bit more time actually READING, COMPREHENDING, and them formulating an opinion instead of being a bombastic asshole.
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I would strongly suggest the same to you. You lack complete knowledge of the Zionist Influence in our government. the fact we are even at war and supported Isreal in this attack against Iran should be enough for even the stupidest people

but blindly following your leader without questioning seems to make sense to people who cant interpret the world on thier own
 
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holdover said:
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Zionist hater, 100%. not a Jew hater, plenty of Jews are anti Zionist too.

Well yeah when you put another country's interests before our own. yes your anti American .


I would strongly suggest the same to you. You lack complete knowledge of the Zionist Influence in our government. the fact we are even at war and supported Isreal in this attack against Iran should be enough for even the stupidest people

but blindly following your leader without questioning seems to make sense to people who cant interpret the world on their own
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So the "Zionists" that you hate are Representatives of our Governments?
Why would plenty of Jews hate Zionists? Seems to me, at least according to what a Zionist is described as are actually helping and supportive of Jews.
The whole "MAGA" movement is ostensibly about "America First" which is what I voted for, how about you?
Questioning the actions of our Government is a hell of a lot better than believing news/propaganda, although sadly neither are totally believable.
Oh, and whether I support Israel or not is irrelevant as that's another Country I shall never visit, same with a dozen other war torn lands.

Zionism​



Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine, which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible. Zionism initially emerged in Central and Eastern Europe as a secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century, in reaction to new waves of antisemitism and in response to the Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment Continued in Wikipedia
 
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Zionism is a political ideology cloaked in a religious ideology , Judism and zionism are not the same thing



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ewish opposition to Zionism stems from diverse religious and political perspectives, ranging from ultra-Orthodox theological objections to secular, progressive concerns over Palestinian rights. While a minority in the overall Jewish community, these groups argue that Zionism equates Jewish identity with a nation-state, which they reject.


Main Arguments and Groups
  • Religious Anti-Zionism (e.g., Neturei Karta, Satmar): These groups view Zionism as a "rebellion against God." They believe Jews are in a divinely ordained exile and forbidden from establishing sovereign Jewish rule until the arrival of the Messiah. They often argue that Zionism is a secular movement that ignores Torah principles.
  • Progressive/Leftist Anti-Zionism (e.g.,
    Jewish Voice for Peace):
    These groups often frame their opposition in terms of human rights, arguing that Zionism leads to the oppression of Palestinians and that true justice requires a binational state or a different political structure.
    • Other Perspectives: Some anti-Zionist Jews argue that Jewish identity is religious or cultural, not nationalistic, and that linking it to a state endangers Jews and contradicts universalist values
 
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The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a prominent, bipartisan 501(c)(4) non-profit organization that lobbies the U.S. Congress to strengthen, protect, and promote the U.S.-Israel relationship. Operating with over 100,000 members and substantial fundraising, it acts as a major influence on foreign policy, focusing on security assistance and joint defense programs


  • Lobbying Focus: AIPAC works directly with Democrats and Republicans in Washington to ensure robust military and economic aid for Israel.

    • Influence Strategy: AIPAC is considered one of the most powerful foreign policy lobbies in the U.S.. It has increased spending in recent election cycles, sometimes targeting candidates critical of Israeli policies.
    • Activities: Beyond lobbying, AIPAC organizes educational briefings, supports trips for politicians to Israel, and hosts an annual policy conference
    While many in Congress consider AIPAC an essential voice for a key ally, critics argue that the group's significant lobbying efforts and campaign spending exert excessive influence over American foreign policy, sometimes making it difficult for dissenting voices on Israel to gain traction
 
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holdover said:
Yup! I voted for trump twice. I support America first. not Israel. This war is not in the best interests of America
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That is a subjective opinion, and since I highly doubt you're of any involvement with the War Department, Secretary of State, or Presidency it's really not up to you, that said, you are entitled to your opinions and I suggest contacting the Elected Representatives from your district with those thoughts. If you want to convince your fellow Citizens it's not a good idea, then formulate a strong argument against it, but calling out anyone that doesn't think the same way isn't exactly going to sway opinions.

"Violence is never the answer until it is"
 
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FP1201 said:
That is a subjective opinion, and since I highly doubt you're of any involvement with the War Department, Secretary of State, or Presidency it's really not up to you, that said, you are entitled to your opinions and I suggest contacting the Elected Representatives from your district with those thoughts. If you want to convince your fellow Citizens it's not a good idea, then formulate a strong argument against it, but calling out anyone that doesn't think the same way isn't exactly going to sway opinions.

"Violence is never the answer until it is"
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Understood, so Im asking you what is the case for war against Iran ? Officially, not interpretive .
 
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holdover said:
Understood, so Im asking you what is the case for war against Iran ? Officially, not interpretive .
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I have no case for or against the Military and Economic Actions taken against Iran, only justification I can offer are the News Reports that I have heard over the last 50 years. I have to trust those in positions of Intelligence and matters of State to decide what, when, and how we act against someone that has clearly threatened and taunted America repeatedly, and from the bullshit other Middle-Eastern Countries have pulled, we should either put them in line or (unlikely) stay the hell on our side of the World.
 
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I still say Trump should go just short of a nuclear strike and drop Elizabeth Warren on Tehran.
The fanatical IRGC couldn't handle that kind of blow. That level of annoyance would be almost impossible to survive.

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holdover said:
Absolute bullshit. You count every Muslim attack as Iranian backed. I got news for you, they were absolutely terrified of the US and avoided direct conflict with them

The reason they hate us is because of our support For Israel. You have already listed the so called terrorist attacks against us , most of which Iran had little or nothing to do with . and you had to go back 45 years . Look , I understand they are our enemy's, for various political reasons , but to say we are doing this because they took our embassy in 79 or supported the Lebanese when Marines were in their capital is utter nonsense.

We did this to support Israel. period . Thats it. not for us . nobody was fucking attacking us , We didnt do this to help Americans in any way shape or form . Your refusal to except this fact is disingenuous , and your support of it is disgusting .
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Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezzhollah are all *directly* controlled and funded by the IRGC.

To the point where Iran complained that Isreali strikes on Hezzbollah were a violation of their cease fire with Iran LOL.

But, go ahead, and find a 5 year period anywhere in the last 40 years when Iran or one of their puppets didn't kill some Americans. Good luck with that.

What's disgusting is how warped your view of the world is. You seem to think anyone who really hates the US must be a good guy, regardless of what atrocities they commit.
 
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Absolute bullshit. You count every Muslim attack as Iranian backed. I got news for you, they were absolutely terrified of the US and avoided direct conflict with them

The reason they hate us is because of our support For Israel. You have already listed the so called terrorist attacks against us , most of which Iran had little or nothing to do with . and you had to go back 45 years . Look , I understand they are our enemy's, for various political reasons , but to say we are doing this because they took our embassy in 79 or supported the Lebanese when Marines were in their capital is utter nonsense.

We did this to support Israel. period . Thats it. not for us . nobody was fucking attacking us , We didnt do this to help Americans in any way shape or form . Your refusal to except this fact is disingenuous , and your support of it is disgusting .
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They attack us and our allies through proxies. It’s a well known fact they back pirates, Houthis, hezbullah and other known terror groups.
I’m not trying to be a jerk but did you say the same thing about Ukraine? I find adding Israel in the mix polarizes a lot of people and their thoughts. Again I’m not being rude, but just a question.
I’m not a big fan of either but I have talked to a lot of people that support our actions in Ukraine but not Iran. I fail to see much difference other than we are dropping some bombs on Iran, and that’s not insignificant. Don’t kid yourself we were over in Ukraine doing direct drone actions and special forces operations.
The hard thing is you don’t know what to believe anymore. Is anyone telling the truth? Was Iran really a threat to us? I lean towards yes, but I could be wrong. I don’t think Russia was ever a threat to us and me personally I think we should have let the UK handle it. The issue with the Middle East is it seems they always crap on our doorstep and kill our citizens. And yes, we can play the what came first the chicken or the egg game and who started it, but we can’t put the genie ba k in the bottle so we deal with what we have now.
I also feel this Middle East stuff is at a low point here in the USA but it will ramp up again. They are setting up for something big. They hate us for who we are not because what we do. Iran is the leading sponsor of terror worldwide and if they get knocked down it’s a symbolic win.
However, I don’t like this playing around and dragging out. If we’re going to do it get it done and done fast!!
 
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Bigfoot said:
This has turned into a boring war. And so hasn't this thread. IMHO

It's probably best if Trump resumes major bombing and missile strikes on the terrorist regime.
Everything and almost everyone would benefit from that, including this thread.
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Well at least no one is talking about flat earth conspiracies in this thread. Yet.
 
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As of October 2025, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene’s estimated net worth is approximately $25 million, a substantial increase from an estimated $700,000 to $18.8 million before entering Congress in 2021. Her wealth is primarily driven by her ownership stake in her family's construction business, Taylor Commercial, Inc., alongside active stock trading and a high-performing investment portfolio
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She's a dirty swamp politician, followed pages out of the Pelosi, Clinton, Obama and Biden inside the beltway instruction manuals.

It's a fact and a shame more than a few politicians and their family get away with selling influence, are rich "playing the market" using inside information, collect fake / no show speaking fees, get miraculous real estate sales / buys / flips, are given fake book sale advances with little or no consequence and / or get huge "foundation" donations that become slush funds or money laundering schemes.

She is one of the filthy offenders. She was in it for the riches and her narcissist ego .... not in office as a calling to serve this once Great Republic or her constituents.

This horseshit will keep happening until term limits dry up the flow of money in to these business models.
 
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holdover said:
Oh you dont support them?



Zionist hater, 100%. not a Jew hater, plenty of Jews are anti Zionist too.

Well yeah when you put another country's interests before our own. yes your anti American .


I would strongly suggest the same to you. You lack complete knowledge of the Zionist Influence in our government. the fact we are even at war and supported Isreal in this attack against Iran should be enough for even the stupidest people

but blindly following your leader without questioning seems to make sense to people who cant interpret the world on thier own
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So you hate the people supposedly manipulated into supporting the Jews, and anyone that does support Israel is an anti-American Zionist?
 
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And some would be all for Iran getting the nuclear weapons they crave because that's "only fair".

They DGAF that Iran is holding a critical international water way hostage, and is responsible for most of the violence in the middle east. They can completely be trusted with ICBMs and nukes.
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Such an easy way to scare the populace into believing and shout 24/7 "They can't have Nukes!" Didn't we use that cry with Saddam? You know the one who attacked the Twin Towers?? Fear is the greatest emotion as it worked wonders during Covid and the sheep lined up to get their Jab.... What will be the cry for Cuba in the future? Greenland? BTW we are over 2 months in. I'm sure Iran's ability has be eliminated with the constant bombing campagin. I would be willing to bet they are defenseless at this point which is another major issue we created.
 
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Such an easy way to scare the populace into believing and shout 24/7 "They can't have Nukes!" Didn't we use that cry with Saddam? You know the one who attacked the Twin Towers?? Fear is the greatest emotion as it worked wonders during Covid and the sheep lined up to get their Jab.... What will be the cry for Cuba in the future? Greenland? BTW we are over 2 months in. I'm sure Iran's ability has be eliminated with the constant bombing campaign. I would be willing to bet they are defenseless at this point which is another major issue we created.
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Nice thing about time is the ability to learn from mistakes and apply those lessons to current events....seems to me we should have learned a thing or two abiut Southwest Asia from two decades in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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So you hate the people supposedly manipulated into supporting the Jews, and anyone that does support Israel is an anti-American Zionist?
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Why do you give a shit about Israel? Have we not givin enough support over the decades?? Any idea the amount of taxpayer money we have givin them??
 
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Defilade said:
Why do you give a shit about Israel? Have we not giving enough support over the decades?? Any idea the amount of taxpayer money we have givin them??
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Again, show me where I show support for Israel. I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR THE COUNTRY OF ISRAEL. Nor do I believe they are still God's chosen People.
I do not approve of the BILLIONS of Dollars that have been and are sent there or to any other Country. I think we should avoid foreign entanglements SO LONG AS they do not threaten Americans or take any actions against America, but the reality is every fucking country that's controlled by Muslims thinks it has god's blessings to attack us, even when we've bombed the dog shit out of them, they still stand rattling their sabers demanding WE surrender...this can only end one way, and you've walked the Earth long enough to know it even if you won't admit it. Israel uses America as it's heavy hit man and we allow them for reasons way above our pay grades.
 
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