Possible ATF Regulation Could Essentially Ban All Semiautomatic Firearms

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According to the ATF expert, the new regulation could ban "any device that automatically resets a firearm and enhances the rate of fire."

That is essentially banning all semi-automatic firearms since they all "automatically reset the firearm" for subsequent shots.

If this regulation is enacted, the gold standard for rate of fire will have to be single action revolvers where manual hammer cocking is required to advance the cylinder and "reset the firearm."

 
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Celt said:
In reality that wont happen. I believe that rural america would defy that and it could lead to a violent response.
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I disagree. This kind of overly broad regulation is cut from the same cloth as the unSAFE Act. If it isn't used on a national level at this time, it may be used in the future by a Liberal Progressive administration. Or, it could be used in the very near future in Leftist-controlled states like California (that already has a state "approved firearms" list), New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, or Massachusetts.
 
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Phazer said:
I disagree. This kind of overly broad regulation is cut from the same cloth as the unSAFE Act. If it isn't used on a national level at this time, it may be used in the future by a Liberal Progressive administration. Or, it could be used in the very near future in Leftist-controlled states like California (that already has a state "approved firearms" list), New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, or Massachusetts.
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You bring up a good point, if they do it , it would likely be incrementally to slowly creep up on people and they know that many people have the mindset that if it doesn't affect them they can't be bothered with it.

But i do think that banning all semi autos would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
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Seems kinda far fetched to me. Setting AR and military look alike firearms aside for a sec (an autoloader is an autoloader is an autoloader) there's a lot of semi auto shotguns and .22 rifles and handguns out there.
 
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Celt said:
You bring up a good point, if they do it , it would likely be incrementally to slowly creep up on people and they know that many people have the mindset that if it doesn't affect them they can't be bothered with it.

But i do think that banning all semi autos would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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The regulation would be void right off the bat. Heller decision said banning common use firearms is unconstitutional. There is nothing more common than the semiautomatic firearm.
 
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So was banning ubiquitous commonly owned sporting rifles simply because they had the very grip that was specified in their design.
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I am not sure what you're asking. All I'm saying is an attempt to outlaw, or outlawing any or all semiautomatic firearms is going to be a tough row to hoe, at least on a national level. California, is of course, a wild card as always. Surprised forks and knives are still legal there.
 
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In spite of some of the things that Trump has said as of late, he has appointed Gorsuch, and we have to hope that he appoints more justices for the Supreme Court. He has nominated many federal level Justice is so far as well which is great for our cause.

We need people like Ginsburg to kick the bucket already. I'm sure one day during her nap at the bench she'll turn cold as she has no intention of leaving before then.

More conservative justices that will take 2nd Amendment cases is our best help.
 
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Subscribing to this thread. I watched that vid a month ago. I even wrote a comment and sent it in. A comment simply stating that this be better left up to SCOTUS to decide. It is not an issue that an agency should be deciding on.

Back to Heller decision ..... common use ..... what happen to NFA act? Is that not of common use?
 
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It just takes a far left President with a pen and an executive order, that conviently doesn't get seen an appeal on the circuit courts. We've all seen how non partisan these clown courts are...


We need as many judicial nominations as possible the next 2 years God willing the next 6. Ideally we get 2 more SCOTUS seats as well.
 
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Phazer said:
Original video from Military Arms Channel is gone....apparently along with the entire YouTube Military Arms Channel. Wow! Is the purge is underway?
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Found the reason on ar15.com - a link to Facebook of all things, from Tim..

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YouTube is banning channels and issuing multiple account strikes over a weekend, of course, so we can't get ahold of our reps to try and stop the action.

I have DISABLED my YouTube channel until I can get this resolved. They are striking our accounts, as you can see from the image above, for non-sensical videos that clearly aren't in violation of their policies / politics.

I will reenable the channel once I can talk to YouTube and my Network to assure my channel isn't banned like James Yeager's.

Right now we all need the support of our community. This is an organized attack against me and several other large, vocal channels who are actively fighting against the tide of gun control.

I will be making one public video here soon and trying to upload it from here in deep southern Texas where I have little internet access.

Thank you guys for the support. We're going to need it going forward. We may have to file a lawsuit on behalf of our entire community on YouTube if we can't stop the banishments that are coming. Thank you for all you do to do support us. They're not going to silence us. They're just going to make us fight harder for our Liberty.

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There is more in the image but I'm not retyping the whole thing.

Edit: Copied from his Patreon page: Military Arms Channel is creating Videos | Patreon
 
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This is why I started the thread back in October after Vegas, you ban "bump stocks" or the technique it follows you could ban all semi-autos because you do not need the special stock to "bump fire."

This is where president Trump is out of his element and may be outsmarted by establishment eunuch Republicans who would be just as happy to have semi-autos banned as they supported the AWB back in 1994.
 
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Is Ruth even alive .. all i see are photos of her sleeping in the chair .. any media show her talking or even walking ..
far as i know she is dead on still on the bench lol
 
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I don't partake in the knee jerk reactionary hypothesizing from "BOTH" sides of the "gun" debate...

Ultimately, no change is going to happen overnight! And worrying about shit like this is just a waste of time because if you worry about this, then you're worrying about dozens of likewise ridiculous hypersesationalizing liberal progressive driven bullshit that isn't going anywhere! The "Assault Weapon" ban failed miserably... And not because lunatics were running around shooting up places, it failed because all the diatribe was exposed as factually incorrect assumptions and the law was enacted in emotional heated debate.

And yes, Heller is there... But States that feel like it, just ignore it. For the Fed's to do so likewise, could be a ripple that starts the tear in the fabric of our Republic!!!

Anyways...
 
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Cooolone said:
I don't partake in the knee jerk reactionary hypothesizing from "BOTH" sides of the "gun" debate...

Ultimately, no change is going to happen overnight! And worrying about shit like this is just a waste of time because if you worry about this, then you're worrying about dozens of likewise ridiculous hypersesationalizing liberal progressive driven bullshit that isn't going anywhere! The "Assault Weapon" ban failed miserably... And not because lunatics were running around shooting up places, it failed because all the diatribe was exposed as factually incorrect assumptions and the law was enacted in emotional heated debate.

And yes, Heller is there... But States that feel like it, just ignore it. For the Fed's to do so likewise, could be a ripple that starts the tear in the fabric of our Republic!!!

Anyways...
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The SAFE act was literally passed overnight.

Just saying.
 
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96coal449 said:
Subscribing to this thread. I watched that vid a month ago. I even wrote a comment and sent it in. A comment simply stating that this be better left up to SCOTUS to decide. It is not an issue that an agency should be deciding on.

Back to Heller decision ..... common use ..... what happen to NFA act? Is that not of common use?
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SCOTUS ...:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:They refuse to hear gun cases . Unless we can get a few more conservative judges on that bench it is possible we may never see another gun case for 30 years . It will be activist on the 9th circuit that will decide our fate
 
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You pull the trigger on a revolver and get a round ,pull the trigger on a semi and you get a round, The only difference is the hammer goes to the rear after a semi trigger is pulled. Who fires a revolver by cocking it after every shot in a "situation" More BS from propaganda city. What they would accomplish in this "proposal" is limit handgun capacity by only allowing revolvers.
 
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