If everything is reopened, then what's the carrot going to be?

SonOfSun said:

If the business doesn't require proof I just won't go there and those businesses won't get my money.

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SonOfSun said:

Within reason, yeah. Like a gas station,

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so you won't go to a business that doesn't require the vaccine passport, except when it is something you really need or want.

Hypocritical much?

SonOfSun said:

Within reason, yeah. Like a gas station, whatever. A cruise where I'm stuck on a boat with people? If they aren't requiring it they can go get stuffed, I'll take my money elsewhere.

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Wow, Scared much? It's ok, you can come out from under your bed now. Thousands die from the flu every year yet you were not scared then I'll bet.

SonOfSun said:

Didn't watch the video, but if people don't get vaccinated then I won't go there. If the business doesn't require proof I just won't go there and those businesses won't get my money. I say let the free market decide. If businesses want to require proof, let them. If they don't want to, then let them do that. The dollar should decide. If a local business doesn't care to have policies in place that protect me as a customer I could give less than a shit if they are no longer financially viable.

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If you're vaccinated, what are you worried about ?

SonOfSun said:

Didn't watch the video, but if people don't get vaccinated then I won't go there. If the business doesn't require proof I just won't go there and those businesses won't get my money. I say let the free market decide. If businesses want to require proof, let them. If they don't want to, then let them do that. The dollar should decide. If a local business doesn't care to have policies in place that protect me as a customer I could give less than a shit if they are no longer financially viable.

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Honestly what does it matter to you if you’re vaccinated? Why won’t you go? There’s no risk to you and you can still spread the vaccine even if vaccinated? Your statement makes not a lot of sense.
I won’t get vaccinated, I won’t share my private health information, and I won’t shop if I’m required to be vaccinated because I am r have it.

Let me ask you this how far is too far? I call 911 and they say oh are you vaccinated or we can’t come to your home, I’m sick and can’t go to the doctors, a drunk driver rubs me over and I need emergency medical help but I’m not vaccinated so you let me die on the street?
If these businesses are considered essential can you keep me out of them? I’d say legally no you can’t. Also remember 45% of people voted for trump and I dont think these businesses will make this bold statement and risk losing out. Even if they do others will come out and say if you’re not vaccinated come shop here. The almighty dollar usually reigns so I guess we will see who wins out.

I find it hilarious the young people continue to ignore this and continue to spread the disease yet the politicians ignore it because those are the group of dumbasses that they courted to vote for Biden for the win.

SonOfSun said:

Within reason, yeah. Like a gas station, whatever. A cruise where I'm stuck on a boat with people? If they aren't requiring it they can go get stuffed, I'll take my money elsewhere.

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Backtracking already.

What happened to “My body, my choice“?

Huh, must be working. People haven't noticed, the carrot is slowly being replaced with a whip.
Robin

SonOfSun said:

Didn't watch the video, but if people don't get vaccinated then I won't go there. If the business doesn't require proof I just won't go there and those businesses won't get my money. I say let the free market decide. If businesses want to require proof, let them. If they don't want to, then let them do that. The dollar should decide. If a local business doesn't care to have policies in place that protect me as a customer I could give less than a shit if they are no longer financially viable.

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Im about private businesses making their own decisions as well... up to the point where the govt forces or manipulates policies/laws/mandates/etc to the point that private businesses decisions are made for them.

Example: state health department tells business A that they can go full capacity if they require vaccine passport checks.

Then they tell business B they can open to 25% if they "choose" to not enforce vaccine passports checks.

spat said:

If you're vaccinated, what are you worried about ?

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I want to patronize businesses that take precautions to protect their workers and customers. Where possible, those businesses will get my dollars and the ones that don't won't get them. This is how a free market works - I as the customer get to decide who gets my money for whatever reason I see fit. You also have the same power to decide and set your own conditions on what is required to patronize a business.

Also, not vaccinated yet, that's not because of desire but qualification.

Saltwater60 said:

Honestly what does it matter to you if you’re vaccinated? Why won’t you go? There’s no risk to you and you can still spread the vaccine even if vaccinated? Your statement makes not a lot of sense.
I won’t get vaccinated, I won’t share my private health information, and I won’t shop if I’m required to be vaccinated because I am r have it.

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See 1 post up. I don't care if you get vaccinated or not, not out of spite or anything like that, I just think it is your right to choose to get it or not.

Saltwater60 said:

Let me ask you this how far is too far? I call 911 and they say oh are you vaccinated or we can’t come to your home, I’m sick and can’t go to the doctors, a drunk driver rubs me over and I need emergency medical help but I’m not vaccinated so you let me die on the street?
If these businesses are considered essential can you keep me out of them? I’d say legally no you can’t.

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Essential services and those under public funding can't discriminate. I'm not talking about essential services though. I'm talking about non-essential private businesses such as a cruise line. IMO they should be able to demand and set whatever requirements they want. Then it's up to you as a customer to determine if their policies are acceptable and warrant your business (or not).

Saltwater60 said:

Also remember 45% of people voted for trump and I don't think these businesses will make this bold statement and risk losing out. Even if they do others will come out and say if you’re not vaccinated come shop here. The almighty dollar usually reigns so I guess we will see who wins out.

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That's entirely what I'm saying, let the free market decide. If you don't like that a particular company has a vaccine mandate, then take your dollars elsewhere.

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Backtracking already.

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I'm not backtracking at all. Standing outside at a gas pump with nobody else around me and being on a cramped cruise liner are in entirely different categories from the perspective of risk.

SonOfSun said:

I want to patronize businesses that take precautions to protect their workers and customers. Where possible, those businesses will get my dollars and the ones that don't won't get them. This is how a free market works - I as the customer get to decide who gets my money for whatever reason I see fit. You also have the same power to decide and set your own conditions on what is required to patronize a business.

Also, not vaccinated yet, that's not because of desire but qualification.

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Why do they need "Protection"? Are we in that business now? Gotta feel safe? lol.... Just stop!

Defilade said:

Why do they need "Protection"? Are we in that business now? Gotta feel safe? lol.... Just stop!

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My money, my choice.

If a business chooses not to protect their workers/customers I'll shop elsewhere when at all possible. Go cry about it if you don't like it.

SonOfSun said:

My money, my choice.

If a business chooses not to protect their workers/customers I'll shop elsewhere when at all possible. Go cry about it if you don't like it.

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Lol.. I don't cry about a business protecting me. That is on me. Part of adulthood.

I don't count on anyone but me protecting me when it comes to health. Such a strange concept, no? BTW, the signs I see, "Covid is still a risk." So they won't go away until there is zero risk? Is that what they are saying? I seem to have missed the "Flu is still a risk" period in our time related to road signs. It ALWAYS will be a risk. So will many other pathogenic diseases. Life is a risk. Stop being such a bunch of pussies.

SonOfSun said:

My money, my choice.

If a business chooses not to protect their workers/customers I'll shop elsewhere when at all possible. Go cry about it if you don't like it.

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Every business that doesn't arm their employees is exposing their customers to additional risk of criminal activity.

Armed civilians ready to confront criminals works just like a vaccine. It doesn't take everyone to make it work, just enough for "herd immunity".

That's why violent crime is most severe where people are least "vaccinated".

I've yet to see how this "vaccine" protects anyone.
you can still catch the disease.
you can still transmit the disease.

So what, exactly, is this concoction they made used for?

Dr. Evil said:

I don't count on anyone but me protecting me when it comes to health. Such a strange concept, no? BTW, the signs I see, "Covid is still a risk." So they won't go away until there is zero risk? Is that what they are saying? I seem to have missed the "Flu is still a risk" period in our time related to road signs. It ALWAYS will be a risk. So will many other pathogenic diseases. Life is a risk. Stop being such a bunch of pussies.

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They realize they're losing their grip on the power of control. Gotta keep the fear level up.

Grimscale said:

I've yet to see how this "vaccine" protects anyone.
you can still catch the disease.
you can still transmit the disease.

So what, exactly, is this concoction they made used for?

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"They" say to prevent severity of symptoms. You know, the same thing that can be accomplished with zinc and HCQ or quercetin combo.

spat said:

Every business that doesn't arm their employees is exposing their customers to additional risk of criminal activity.

Armed civilians ready to confront criminals works just like a vaccine. It doesn't take everyone to make it work, just enough for "herd immunity".

That's why violent crime is most severe where people are least "vaccinated".

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So vote with your wallet then. That's what the free market is about.

Or, you could vote with your hate. Thats what the democrats are about.
Robin

Defilade said:

Lol.. I don't cry about a business protecting me. That is on me. Part of adulthood.

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Agreed. Thats why I'll be patronizing business that have health of their customers and employees in mind. It will be safer for me there than a fuck it free for all zone.

Robin said:

Or, you could vote with your hate. Thats what the democrats are about.
Robin

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No hate. Do what you want, I'm fine with that. Don't get a vaccine and lick subway holds, see if I care. Do what you want, just dont expect me to be a customer at your business if I don't like your policies. Free market pops.

SonOfSun said:

Agreed. Thats why I'll be patronizing business that have health of their customers and employees in mind. It will be safer for me there than a fuck it free for all zone.

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So basically a sign on the door that says "Facemasks Required"? Kinda like a No guns allowed sign.

I don't think saying that private businesses should be allowed to do what they want is all that outlandish.

And I don't even think the pandemic is real.

This can all be over as soon as enough people decide it is over. It is our own fault, and we deserve every bit of it.

I hope the vaccine and papers become mandatory soon, through actual legislation, with strict enforcement.

TEOTWAWKI inc. said:

This can all be over as soon as enough people decide it is over. It is our own fault, and we deserve every bit of it.

I hope the vaccine and papers become mandatory soon, through actual legislation, with strict enforcement.

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And social credit scores! don't forget those. Karen's will love them!

SonOfSun said:

I want to patronize businesses that take precautions to protect their workers and customers. Where possible, those businesses will get my dollars and the ones that don't won't get them. This is how a free market works - I as the customer get to decide who gets my money for whatever reason I see fit. You also have the same power to decide and set your own conditions on what is required to patronize a business.

Also, not vaccinated yet, that's not because of desire but qualification.

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So, you think your health should be protected by a Manager at a Grocery store or a McDonalds?