Another Frying Pan Video

[Marine Cpl]

Not a frying pan but the same result.

 

[Defilade]

9mm Wins!

 

[MilesTeg]

I know me and Will go back and forth on this subject all the time. Is it just me, penetration isn't huge deal. I will agree that it is a factor to effective ammo, but my main concern is how it transfers its energy to the target. Although the 9mm punch through all the boards, did you notice the huge damage the 45 did to the boards? Once again they are playing FMJ's only good for plinking in my opinion.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am easy, I love both the 9mm as well as the 45ACP equally.

 

[MilesTeg]

I am easy, I love both the 9mm as well as the 45ACP equally.

Agreed either one with modern ammo preforms well enough to leave any doubt of the outcome.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

The 45 isn't a show off round. Once it finds the soul and destroys it it stops. The 9 keeps going going because we know that it overcompensates for its small size.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The. 45 was a, "Bone Cracker!"

But, penetration trumps in my opinion. Not all shots are going to be against a body with no obstacles between it.

 

[ECU Pirates]

The. 45 was a, "Bone Cracker!"

But, penetration trumps in my opinion. Not all shots are going to be against a body with no obstacles between it.

You better trade in that 9mm for a .357 sig then.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You better trade in that 9mm for a .357 sig then.

It's all a compromise. The .45 has minimum barrier penetration and the. 357 Sig has good barrier penetration at the cost of recoil, flash, and ammo availability. In a short 3 inch barrel for carry, all the negatives are even more pronounced with both calibers.

I'm good with the 9mm right in the middle.

 

[Uzi]

I hang out with both, I don't judge their character.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have both too but will only carry one.

 

[Shadow2]

now do the angled glass test, lighter faster will deflect more then heavier slower.

There is no perfect caliber, There are way to many environmental variables.

 

[Marine Cpl]

now do the angled glass test, lighter faster will deflect more then heavier slower.

There is no perfect caliber, There are way to many environmental variables.

True. The .45 will stay truer to the point of aim where as the 9mm will drop a few inches of the point of aim but still hit.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It's all a compromise. The .45 has minimum barrier penetration and the. 357 Sig has good barrier penetration at the cost of recoil, flash, and ammo availability. In a short 3 inch barrel for carry, all the negatives are even more pronounced with both calibers.

I'm good with the 9mm right in the middle.

The short barrel might not penetrate all those floor boards like that Beretta did. Could be a huge issue. You better man up and carry a full size in case someone is attacking you behind numerous floor boards.

 

[MilesTeg]

The short barrel might not penetrate all those floor boards like that Beretta did. Could be a huge issue. You better man up and carry a full size in case someone is attacking you behind numerous floor boards.

This scenario alone terrifies me! That's why I threw away all my 45 ACP.

 

[dsdmmat]

Me no worry.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The short barrel might not penetrate all those floor boards like that Beretta did. Could be a huge issue. You better man up and carry a full size in case someone is attacking you behind numerous floor boards.

My Glock 26 with a 3.5 inch barrel pushes it out at about 1100 fps compared to the .45's 800 fps with a 5 inch barrel.

I think I'm good.

 

[togmaster]

This absolutely proves without a shadow of any doubt..... nothing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This absolutely proves without a shadow of any doubt..... nothing.

To me it proves that the 9mm performs better through barriers that shooters can take cover behind.

Here's a helmet video.

 

[GOPerfect]

I love these videos and the arguments/discussions that follow. In most scenarios where your gun is a Personal Protection situation, either round will work just fine. Even if the 45acp does not penetrate as well as the 9mm, both will kill/stop the bad guy.

Me personally, I like the way the 9mm shoots over the 45acp, unless it is coming from a 1911. My overall and only reason to carry a firearm is to stop the threat. Both of these will do just that.

Capacity is something else to add to the conversation. 9mm, more rounds can be loaded into the carry gun(not so much in NY). More rounds can absolutely make a difference.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I like these friendly Caliber Wars because just when you think you know almost everything about a certain caliber, someone brings up a good point you didn't think about.

I learned a little something in another .223 vs .308 Caliber War we have floating around here somewhere.

 

[Prudii]

This argument is dump, The day I see someone carrying iron skillets and asbestos as body armor I'm going to point and laugh. This argument had gone on for so long there are memes of it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This argument is dump, The day I see someone carrying iron skillets and asbestos as body armor I'm going to point and laugh. This argument had gone on for so long there are memes of it. View attachment 2696

You miss the point. A frying pan can be a storage shed or something of similar steel. It could be both sides of the trunk of a car. It could be a metal aisle divider in Walmart. It could be a number of things. An asbestos plank could be a wall, a thick wooden fence, or a small tree.

The .45 Acp with the slow and heavy 230 gr is not known for hard barrier penetration. That is the point. A gunfight doesn't always happen in the middle of an open field.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Think of all the dead Germans that would have made it through ww2 if they only packed some frying pans or floor boards. Thank goodness they didn't have an internet connection in 1940's Germany.


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[Marine Cpl]

Think of all the dead Germans that would have made it through ww2 if they only packed some frying pans or floor boards. Thank goodness they didn't have an internet connection in 1940's Germany.


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Think of all the dead Germans if the Americans had 9mm's instead of 1911's and aimed for the head.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Think of all the dead Germans if the Americans had 9mm's instead of 1911's and aimed for the head.

The vast majority of Germans killed in ww2 by the .45 acp were
Not killed by the 1911.


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[Darth]

The 45 isn't a show off round. Once it finds the soul and destroys it it stops. The 9 keeps going going because we know that it overcompensates for its small size.

I don't have a soul.

Hence I carry the 9mm.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The vast majority of Germans killed in ww2 by the .45 acp were
Not killed by the 1911.


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[Darth]

The vast majority of Germans killed in ww2 by the .45 acp were
Not killed by the 1911.


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I couldn't hear you over my H&K MP10.

 

[spat]

MK19

Because you don't want to find yourself in a gunfight with a weapon, the caliber of which does not start with a 4.
Having it end w/ 0mm doesn't hurt either

OTOH, 2 in the chest, one in the head can be difficult w/ the MK19, the followup shots can require a mop and bucket first.
And it lacks a bit in the concealibility and CQB departments.