ATF Has Digitized Record of All Gun Sales
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Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Let's make it two billion.
Game on.
Game on.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
They have a digitized record? Well we have the real thing.
When a FFL (except 03) goes out of Business, they are required to send their 4473's and Bound Books to a Facility in WV that now digitizes them, prior to the just stored them.
Firearms trace has to come from a Law Enforcement Agency to the BATFE, they figure out who imported or obviously manufactured it and goes from there to Distributor, Dealer, or anyone else that had it in/out of their Books.
ATF called me several years back giving me the specifics "CAI Imported Yugoslavian SKS sn#xxxxxxx" and they wanted to know who I sold it to, well I could not answer that question because the 03 (C&R) FFL I had at that time lapsed (requiring a new application) and I had disposed of the "Bound Book" as THEY ordered done.
Firearms trace has to come from a Law Enforcement Agency to the BATFE, they figure out who imported or obviously manufactured it and goes from there to Distributor, Dealer, or anyone else that had it in/out of their Books.
ATF called me several years back giving me the specifics "CAI Imported Yugoslavian SKS sn#xxxxxxx" and they wanted to know who I sold it to, well I could not answer that question because the 03 (C&R) FFL I had at that time lapsed (requiring a new application) and I had disposed of the "Bound Book" as THEY ordered done.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
I really don’t give a fuck what they know. Bought legally and proud of it.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Come and take it.
No I do give a fuck. This is not supposed to be and is a violation of the 4th.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
But unfortunately it is. Till maybe one day there will be a 4th again a 2nd and so on a so forth.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so do they have a useless database like NY COBIS had and will waist more millions of dollars ... ?
all them person to person sales over the years with not needing to have a 4473 done ..
remember Cobis ..
all them person to person sales over the years with not needing to have a 4473 done ..
remember Cobis ..
CoBIS or GUN DNA:A waste of millions of dollars, a waste of police manpower.
NY State's CoBIS or
www.ocshooters.com
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
And it drives Schumer and his minions CRAZY! That is why they call it the Gun show loophole.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
I know a thing or two about database applications. The Internet is just a database.
Could the day come when someone says Hey ATF show me everyone in this zip code that owns a legal gun?
Two milliseconds later, BOOM! Here is your list. Next question. Okay, Show me everyone in this zip code that is not a Registered Democrat that owns a legal gun.
Two milliseconds later, BOOM! Here is your list. Next question
Okay here is a hard one. Show me everyone in the state that owns a legal gun and has received a prescription of this that or the other thing.
Four milliseconds later. Ohhh that was a hard one, BOOM here is your list.
The NRA capitulated the 4473 rules that allowed Congress to pass the GCA. the law was that the ATF could only hold 4473 checks for 90 days. Then they had to be destroyed.
The surrender of the Bound Book when the FFL went out of business was a backdoor way of violating that law legally. Now that is digitized. Go Figure!
When this was all on paper, I used to run "traces" on guns and never never never got a hit from ATF.
Yeah sure, no big deal that they have this information. No big deal at all.
Here is a question to ponder. "We" always are being asked to capitulate a few of our rights to the anti-gun lobby. "We" are the ones suffering "Bans" and Limitations on our rights.
Where is the UNBAN Lobby?
Could the day come when someone says Hey ATF show me everyone in this zip code that owns a legal gun?
Two milliseconds later, BOOM! Here is your list. Next question. Okay, Show me everyone in this zip code that is not a Registered Democrat that owns a legal gun.
Two milliseconds later, BOOM! Here is your list. Next question
Okay here is a hard one. Show me everyone in the state that owns a legal gun and has received a prescription of this that or the other thing.
Four milliseconds later. Ohhh that was a hard one, BOOM here is your list.
The NRA capitulated the 4473 rules that allowed Congress to pass the GCA. the law was that the ATF could only hold 4473 checks for 90 days. Then they had to be destroyed.
The surrender of the Bound Book when the FFL went out of business was a backdoor way of violating that law legally. Now that is digitized. Go Figure!
When this was all on paper, I used to run "traces" on guns and never never never got a hit from ATF.
Yeah sure, no big deal that they have this information. No big deal at all.
Here is a question to ponder. "We" always are being asked to capitulate a few of our rights to the anti-gun lobby. "We" are the ones suffering "Bans" and Limitations on our rights.
Where is the UNBAN Lobby?
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Or the data base to track NY ammunition sales debacle
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, a federal database of this type is expressly forbidden by law.
Everyone involved in its creation should be prosecuted. "Just following orders" is not an excuse.
"They showed me a memo that says it's OK" is not an excuse. Would you let some low level drug dealer off if he said his boss showed him a memo with some loophole ?
Yes, I *do* think everyone in every profession should need to ask themselves "is what I'm being asked to do legal" every time they do anything questionable.
If you "can't do your job" if "you have to second guess every order", then that second statement is redundant. Every other professional in the world needs to be vigilant about that, just because your employer is the government doesn't exempt you.
Everyone involved in its creation should be prosecuted. "Just following orders" is not an excuse.
"They showed me a memo that says it's OK" is not an excuse. Would you let some low level drug dealer off if he said his boss showed him a memo with some loophole ?
Yes, I *do* think everyone in every profession should need to ask themselves "is what I'm being asked to do legal" every time they do anything questionable.
If you "can't do your job" if "you have to second guess every order", then that second statement is redundant. Every other professional in the world needs to be vigilant about that, just because your employer is the government doesn't exempt you.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
some more backdoor action from the ATF .. gotta get them papers so we can scan them