DoD finally started his pistol permit!

[DoD1776]

Let me tell ya something folks, the pistol permit lady for the sheriffs office has a really shitty attitude for no reason, that’s my complaint.

Since I’m in the military and I was trained on the pistols and carried one on mission I don’t have to do the pistol safety course. I had my NCOIC of the pistol course write a letter stating I completed monthly training and qualification on the M9. He never signed so she said “I’m not going to accept it, you’re going to have to get his signature” I said, “okay that’s fine, I can bring it to you signed within an hour, is that okay?” And she said, “no, you’re going to have to mail it, you had your time so now you’re just gonna slow the process down for yourself” (in a very snotty way) I said, “can he digitally sign it?” And she tried telling me no and I know for a fact that it’s a military document and if it’s digitally signed it is a valid, legal document. So I ended up googling it and legally I was correct, in 2000 the government signed the ESIGN bill stating that electronic signatures hold the same power as ball point ink signatures and they’re legally binding. There was more said with her than I am writing and I ended up calling my Parole friend and he said, she’s his cousin and he gets a lot of complaints about her lol. But anyways, I guess I’ll have a pistol permit soon and I’m pretty excited! I should have great reasoning for an unrestricted as well so hopefully that works in my favor! Pretty excited.

 

[DoD1776]

Here was the original before it was digitally signed

 

[masterswimmer]

I can't stand kissing ass. I hate when people in authority use their influence to make you suffer. They're assholes.

That said, getting into a verbal back and forth, trying to prove the clerk handling your paperwork is wrong, is probably not the best tactic to getting your permit approved in a timely fashion. You capture more flies with honey than vinegar. Just sayin'.

 

[DoD1776]

I can't stand kissing ass. I hate when people in authority use their influence to make you suffer. They're assholes.

That said, getting into a verbal back and forth, trying to prove the clerk handling your paperwork is wrong, is probably not the best tactic to getting your permit approved in a timely fashion. You capture more flies with honey than vinegar. Just sayin'.

Yeah I know, I didn’t verbally tell her that. But I did throw it in the envelope and made it an envelope that they have to sign for, should be delivered by tomorrow. I’ll probably call sometime next week and ask if that was processed. What do you think? Should I follow up?

 

[masterswimmer]

When you receive the signature card back from the USPS you'll know it was received. I'd at least wait until then before you start peppering her with phone calls. I'd ask the members here who live and have permits in your county how long the process typically takes. I know it can vary by as much as a couple of months to 18 months depending upon where you live. No need to give the clerk any more reason to drop your file to the bottom just because she doesn't like the smell of your cologne

 

[Acer-m14]

sue her ass .. or better yet just arrest her lol ..

 

[DoD1776]

When you receive the signature card back from the USPS you'll know it was received. I'd at least wait until then before you start peppering her with phone calls. I'd ask the members here who live and have permits in your county how long the process typically takes. I know it can vary by as much as a couple of months to 18 months depending upon where you live. No need to give the clerk any more reason to drop your file to the bottom just because she doesn't like the smell of your cologne

1-4 months! I just want to know if she would process that E signed form, I feel like she’s the type that wouldn’t tell me that it wasn’t processed.

 

[dsdmmat]

First of all why would you bring an unsigned document anywhere except a notary? Second, Why did you not have your commander sign it? Most places want a commissions officer’s signature for any official document.

When I went through the pistol licensing process My company commander signed my experience/training document.

seems like you shot yourself in the foot and are pissed off at the Pistol License Office for not taking the gun out of your hand.

 

[JamieZ]

First of all why would you bring an unsigned document anywhere except a notary? Second, Why did you not have your commander sign it? Most places want a commissions officer’s signature for any official document.

When I went through the pistol licensing process My company commander signed my experience/training document.

seems like you shot yourself in the foot and are pissed off at the Pistol License Office for not taking the gun out of your hand.

ROTFLMAO

 

[kev74]

I'm all for sticking it to the man whenever I can, but they're under no obligation to give you a pistol permit since permits are issued at the discretion of the permit issuing official. They're likely not going to accept an "e-signed" letter. Not because it isn't legal (I'm not sure it is legal for a printed document), but because they don't have to. And they've already demonstrated they're not going to cut you any slack.

I would suggest sucking it up and giving them what they ask for the way they want it. This is a fight you will not win.

 

[DoD1776]

First of all why would you bring an unsigned document anywhere except a notary? Second, Why did you not have your commander sign it? Most places want a commissions officer’s signature for any official document.

When I went through the pistol licensing process My company commander signed my experience/training document.

seems like you shot yourself in the foot and are pissed off at the Pistol License Office for not taking the gun out of your hand.

Again, I said it was fine, I understood that it needs to be signed, no biggie. But telling me that a digital signed document isn’t good enough is kinda a load of shit and having a shit attitude the moment we make contact is also a load of shit. And on top of that I don’t get to exactly chose who makes this letter for me, it makes sense that our NCO who is in charge of a range does the letter because chain of command is such a big deal within my unit. I told my line and this is what I received.

 

[Xae289]

Again, I said it was fine, I understood that it needs to be signed, no biggie. But telling me that a digital signed document isn’t good enough is kinda a load of shit and having a shit attitude the moment we make contact is also a load of shit. And on top of that I don’t get to exactly chose who makes this letter for me, it makes sense that our NCO who is in charge of a range does the letter because chain of command is such a big deal within my unit. I told my line and this is what I received.

I'm sure you'll be fine. Definitely follow up and give them a call next week to make sure they received it.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Congrats on starting the process.

Don't make the mistake of just assuming they have to cater to your needs and wants. They don't. We still need the kings permission to fornicate. It doesn't make it right but in the people's republic of NY "it's just the way it is" and it's a crappy system that is setup against you and it empowers low level bureaucrats to interfere with your rights. Sometimes you just have to be humble and play the game to get what you want. Don't give them a reason to jam you up. Make sure all your i's are dotted and t's are crossed. Use black ink. Fill all forms completely and accurately. Have all your supporting documents in order Etc...

For what it's worth many counties sound much more challenging than yours does. Keep things in perspective.

There's always the option of moving to a free state...

What are you eyeballing for your first private owned pistol?

 

[DoD1776]

Congrats on starting the process.

Don't make the mistake of just assuming they have to cater to your needs and wants. They don't. We still need the kings permission to fornicate. It doesn't make it right but in the people's republic of NY "it's just the way it is" and it's a crappy system that is setup against you and it empowers low level bureaucrats to interfere with your rights. Sometimes you just have to be humble and play the game to get what you want. Don't give them a reason to jam you up. Make sure all your i's are dotted and t's are crossed. Use black ink. Fill all forms completely and accurately. Have all your supporting documents in order Etc...

For what it's worth many counties sound much more challenging than yours does. Keep things in perspective.

There's always the option of moving to a free state...

What are you eyeballing for your first private owned pistol?

I’ll be having a pistol transferred to me, a CZ P10C Optics Ready (already have the Holosun Optic)

 

[S&W Fan]

I’ve had my CCW permit from the same county for more than 30 years. County clerks have come and gone. The woman who is there now ( most of the time) has been a PITA since she started. Wanna know how to shut her bitchy ass down? Smile, be polite and have all your ducks in a row and she literally doesn’t say two words to you. When your transaction is complete smile again and tell her to have a nice day. It’s icing on the cake to see her silently scowl as you turn away and leave.

 

[FRB]

Thanks for posting this. I too am starting the process. I need to have every duck in order and I will double and triple check everything. Mine is a complex deal - 10 arrests, 2 B misdemeanor convictions only. All over 35 years old. I need to get all COD's in perfect order. Never thought I would be in the position do try, but everything is lining up right for me. Having an amazing court clerk in the family now is a big help! Have some great references too. Here's hoping!

 

[Darth]

Since I’m in the military and I was trained on the pistols and carried one on mission I don’t have to do the pistol safety course.

Gonna have to stop you right there.

"Since I'm an American." All that other stuff is irrelevant.

Arguing with the gubment won't get you anywhere. They can't even be bothered to understand the Constitution. You think they give a shit about e-signatures?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Welcome to a very non-transparent and lengthy process.

 

[MikeyCNY]

I'm surprised your letter would mention training specifically on an M9 Beretta (no M17s/M18s yet?) - if they really wanted to be an ass they could say that doesn't qualify you for ALL pistols.

Though like @Darth pointed out it shouldn't even be required. A couple people at work want to work on their pistol license permit.. maybe the US Supreme Court will say NY's pistol licensing is whack.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Thanks for posting this. I too am starting the process. I need to have every duck in order and I will double and triple check everything. Mine is a complex deal - 10 arrests, 2 B misdemeanor convictions only. All over 35 years old. I need to get all COD's in perfect order. Never thought I would be in the position do try, but everything is lining up right for me. Having an amazing court clerk in the family now is a big help! Have some great references too. Here's hoping!

Do not get discouraged. As long as you don't have any felonies that's the only automatic "do not pass go". Everything else is subjective to the judge and investigating officer.

Be open and honest. Do not hide anything. Have documentation. I believe a member here tried to hide a transgression and was caught and denied. They will find everything. Own up to it. Admit you're a better person now than you used to be.

Even if you're not perfect (none of us are) we still have rights. And they are our rights do don't be shy about exercising them.


(I got caught with 2 infractions in my youth, one was even out of state ) I owned up to it, documented it and had all needed information available on my application. I was humble and remorseful to the investigating detective. I was awarded an "unrestricted" license in Erie county.

Do not be discouraged. They worst they can do is say "no" and if that happens you can always appeal.

 

[spat]

Again, I said it was fine, I understood that it needs to be signed, no biggie. But telling me that a digital signed document isn’t good enough is kinda a load of shit and having a shit attitude the moment we make contact is also a load of shit. And on top of that I don’t get to exactly chose who makes this letter for me, it makes sense that our NCO who is in charge of a range does the letter because chain of command is such a big deal within my unit. I told my line and this is what I received.

There is an awful lot in this world that isn't right.

Much of it comes from petty bureaucrats who's whole raison d'etra is to lord the smidgen of power they have over anyone unfortunate enough to come into their domain.

Whenever you find yourself in this situation, you need to decide if this fight is worth the effort. Typically they are not. But, under no circumstances is it wise to start any fight you are not willing to finish. Don't expect them to back down, so either don't start it, or be prepared to go all the way.

In this case "all the way" probably involves making a rich lawyer quite a bit richer.