FUAC Proposal To Eliminate Tip Credit !

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RESTAURANT OWNERS AND STAFF CONCERNED BY PROPOSAL TO ELIMINATE TIP CREDIT
By Fadia Patterson | March 5, 2018 @7:03 AM
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BUFFALO, N.Y. — Governor Andrew Cuomo's proposal to eliminate tip credit is not sitting well with many in the restaurant industry.

He's asked the State Department of Labor to hold hearings and look at increasing the minimum wage for servers and eliminating the tip credit.

The New York State Restaurant Association met with waiters and servers in Rochester and Buffalo last week to discuss the new proposal.

If passed, New York would become one of seven states that have eliminated lower tipped minimum wages.

"This is our career," said Marcia Dobrowolski, who has been serving for 24 years and is concerned about making ends meet. "It's not only us, its the older generation too that have been serving for 40-some years. What are they going to do? They need this job. This is it for us."

Under state law, employers are allowed to pay tipped workers less than minimum wage if they earn the full minimum wage when tips are included. However, if tips are eliminated, employers will be required to pay tipped employees the full minimum wage.

It's a scenario that the owner of Richie's Soul Food Restaurant says will hurt both employees and smaller businesses.

"It's going to make them not want to work hard," said Richard Wagstaff. "For someone like myself who employs them — I'm gonna have to pay them more."

Restaurant owners and staff concerned by proposal to eliminate tip credit
king knows what's best for his peasants

 

[Deplorable Me]

Apparently Andy can screw up a free lunch too!

I hope these people vote, but apparently the people in NY on the gubbermint tit far outnumber the ones who work for a living.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Ole Cuomo, pulling out all the stops. What a disgrace. Soon to be in the headlines "Restaurants Close Due To Financial Ills". What good is a high minimum wage for restaurants workers if there's no restaurants. Certainly I'm not going to pay $50 for a glass of milk, cheeseburger and fries.

 

[Podmonkey]

I always thought it was bullshit that tips got taxed though. Mr. Pink in Resvoir Dogs had this whole tip thing nailed.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

I always thought it was bullshit that tips got taxed though. Mr. Pink in Resvoir Dogs had this whole tip thing nailed.

Haven't seen that movie in many a moon.

 

[Podmonkey]

Not gonna be a popular opinion around here but the whole "less than minimum wage 'cause tips" thing I've always thought was bullshit. If burger flippers get minimum wage so should the sit down joint servers. Then tips become the occasional extra for service above and beyond like its supposed to be.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Everything he touches turns to shit.

 

[Podmonkey]

Everything he touches turns to shit.

That's because he is a giant shit

 

[Bigfoot]

Everything he touches turns to shit.

Every single thing...

Sometime something will come up that I don't know much about.
Not enough to have an educated opinion anyway.

But if FUAC is for something, that's all I need to know.

 

[E the massive]

Fuck em. You get what you vote for.

 

[Bigfoot]

Ole Cuomo, pulling out all the stops. What a disgrace. Soon to be in the headlines "Restaurants Close Due To Financial Ills". What good is a high minimum wage for restaurants workers if there's no restaurants. Certainly I'm not going to pay $50 for a glass of milk, cheeseburger and fries.

There are a few restaurants in Batavia NY (a small city near me) that used to be open 24 hours.
Starting last year they now close at 10pm.

The wife and I used to go to a sit down restaurant at least once a week.
We hardly go at all anymore. It's just to expensive. The price is no longer worth the product IMO.

Quite awhile ago a member here that moved out of NY state said that now that they live in a different state they are going to a sit down restaurant again because it's not to expensive like here in NYS... I could be wrong but IIRC it was @MoMan.

@Podmonkey do you see a difference in restaurant prices from state to state, region to region? Just curious.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

There are a few restaurants in Batavia NY (a small city near me) that used to be open 24 hours.
Starting last year they now close at 10pm.

The wife and I used to go to a sit down restaurant at least once a week.
We hardly go at all anymore. It's just to expensive. The price is no longer worth the product IMO.

Quite awhile ago a member here that moved out of NY state said that now that they live in a different state they are going to a sit down restaurant again because it's not to expensive like here in NYS... I could be wrong but IIRC it was @MoMan.

@Podmonkey do you see a difference in restaurant prices from state to state, region to region? Just curious.

My gf and I used to go out to eat at least once a month in the winter for something to do. Now we'd rather spend the $50-$60 on something else.

 

[Podmonkey]

There are a few restaurants in Batavia NY (a small city near me) that used to be open 24 hours.
Starting last year they now close at 10pm.

The wife and I used to go to a sit down restaurant at least once a week.
We hardly go at all anymore. It's just to expensive. The price is no longer worth the product IMO.

Quite awhile ago a member here that moved out of NY state said that now that they live in a different state they are going to a sit down restaurant again because it's not to expensive like here in NYS... I could be wrong but IIRC it was @MoMan.

@Podmonkey do you see a difference in restaurant prices from state to state, region to region? Just curious.

Actually food is generally cheaper in WNY than many other places. The permanently derpressed eccomomy just couln't support prices like you'd see in more prosperous states. Even as nearby as PA restaurant prices are a bit higher than back home. Which is sad and kinda unfair because IMHO Erie and Niagara counties are home to the best damn eats in the country!

 

[Bigfoot]

Not to get this thread to far of track but the mom & pop pizza shops are getting to expensive for what the product is IMO.
I used to get pizza & wings together often. It's getting so expensive now that I only buy one or the other I no longer do the combo very often.

I don't blame the shop owners they got to do what they got to do. It's so expensive for the owners to run their business in this state I get that. I wouldn't doubt that the owners made more of a profit years ago when the pizza's were $10 - $12 instead of $18 - $22,,, Wings where $5 for 12 of them instead of $10 for 10 of them,,, Subs where $5 instead of $10... etc.

I think that there is going to come a point that people are only willing to spend so much for a pizza and the other things
no matter how much they enjoy them...( I'm just about that that point myself ) Therefore a lot of the mom & pop pizza shops will end up being forced to close up.

Man I can't wait to move out of this state. The wife is holding me up from doing just that but she has a say in it also.
Well actually she doesn't have much say in it. But sometimes I am just to nice of a person for my own good.

 

[Phazer]

I waited tables years ago. I was more than happy to declare the minimum that I was required to declare. My take home, in cash, was always higher.

If a tipped employee is working as a server at a restaurant where they cannot make way more than minimum wage, then they should move themselves to another restaurant or simply get another kind of job.

 

[Bigfoot]

Actually food is generally cheaper in WNY than many other places. The permanently derpressed eccomomy just couln't support prices like you'd see in more prosperous states. Even as nearby as PA restaurant prices are a bit higher than back home. Which is sad and kinda unfair because IMHO Erie and Niagara counties are home to the best damn eats in the country!

Thanks for the response, I wouldn't have thought that but what you said does make sense.
A friend of mine goes downstate (NYC area) often and has told me that "you think prices are bad here you should see how bad the prices are down there."

Yeah I agree, The food is awesome in Buffalo and the surrounding areas.
I live in Genesee County not far from Erie County.

 

[Bigfoot]

I have never worked in a restaurant so I don't know much about what would be good or bad for the servers.
But if FUAC is for this I assume that it's a bad thing for them.

Ya know Cuomo's track record and all.

 

[Phazer]

I have never worked in a restaurant so I don't know much about what would be good or bad for the servers.
But if FUAC is for this I assume that it's a bad thing for them.

Ya know Cuomo's track record and all.

Well...when I waited tables minimum wage was $3.35/hr. We had to declare something like 10% of our food bill as tipped revenue. After taxes, I used to get a paycheck for $1/hr (since takes were taken out of the sub-minimum wage pay rate based on the declared tips in order to cover taxes on the tips). I usually made $8-11/hr in cash. So, I was doing way better not making the state-mandated minimum wage.

 

[Podmonkey]

Once again I'll say this: The only time I have a decent pizza is when I visit family WNY. And Beef on Weck does not exist outside WNY. I could go on and on. So WNYers, as you continue to take it up the ass in all things at least be greatful for all the wonderful food you have there! Best Pizza, Best Burgers, Best Ribs, obvioulsy best Chicken Wings, some of the best Micro Breweries around. Hell even humble, maligned Lockport has some of the very best Artisanal Ice Cream I've ever tasted. Thats also where the best ribs are at. One Eyed Jacks. I put on at least a pound whenver I come back and visit.

 

[Podmonkey]

Well...when I waited tables minimum wage was $3.35/hr. We had to declare something like 10% of our food bill as tipped revenue. After taxes, I used to get a paycheck for $1/hr (since takes were taken out of the sub-minimum wage pay rate based on the declared tips in order to cover taxes on the tips). I usually made $8-11/hr in cash. So, I was doing way better not making the state-mandated minimum wage.

That is horseshit. Should just get the full wage, pay the full tax on that (assuming we overlook the constitutionality of the income tax) and the gov't leaves your tips alone, which would be reduced since people aren't going to be as compelled to.

 

[Bigfoot]

Well...when I waited tables minimum wage was $3.35/hr. We had to declare something like 10% of our food bill as tipped revenue. After taxes, I used to get a paycheck for $1/hr (since takes were taken out of the sub-minimum wage pay rate based on the declared tips in order to cover taxes on the tips). I usually made $8-11/hr in cash. So, I was doing way better not making the state-mandated minimum wage.

OK thanks for the info, I get it now.

 

[Darth]

There should not BE a minimum wage. At all.

That said, I actually agree with here, because too many waiters are entitled nowadays and demand tips. Not only demand them, but demand outrageous ones, or simply tack them on the bill.

A tip is a little above and beyond for good service. Toss you a few bucks. Not "20%." Not "if you can't tip well, you can't afford to eat out." If you think I'm leaving you $20 on a $100 check, you're delusional.

And spare me the "woe is me" dialog about how you get less than minimum wage so blah blah blah. You chose the job.

 

[Modean]

If servers are paid minimum or better, many will stop tipping altogether. Which is fine, as the “tips are mandatory” thing has always bothered me. Tips should be for above and beyond service, in the opinion of the person being served.

 

[Phazer]

That is horseshit. Should just get the full wage, pay the full tax on that (assuming we overlook the constitutionality of the income tax) and the gov't leaves your tips alone, which would be reduced since people aren't going to be as compelled to.

No, actually...it works well for all involved parties. The restaurant owner is able to keep their labor charges down (which allows them to keep food prices competitive and/or expand their business). The server (the "tipped employee") ends up making more than minimum wage and winds up making most of their money in cash that is not completely taxes (unless, the server declares all of the tips...which nobody did).

There should be no government-mandated minimum wage. A job is, after all, worth whatever an employer and an employee agree it is worth. For example: If you offer to pay $1/hr for a job and get no takers, you offer $2/hr. If at $2/hr you get no takers, you offer $3/hr. If, eventually, you get applicants willing to work for $5/hr, then that job is worth $5/hr. The government should not be involved.

 

[Podmonkey]

No, actually...it works well for all involved parties. The restaurant owner is able to keep their labor charges down (which allows them to keep food prices competitive and/or expand their business). The server (the "tipped employee") ends up making more than minimum wage and winds up making most of their money in cash that is not completely taxes (unless, the server declares all of the tips...which nobody did).

There should be no government-mandated minimum wage. A job is, after all, worth whatever an employer and an employee agree it is worth. For example: If you offer to pay $1/hr for a job and get no takers, you offer $2/hr. If at $2/hr you get no takers, you offer $3/hr. If, eventually, you get applicants willing to work for $5/hr, then that job is worth $5/hr. The government should not be involved.

Fine, but like Mr Pink says its hypocrisy for jonny burger flipper tp make x per hour with no tips but to pay sally server half that rate and leave it to the consumer to make up the difference. Tipping should not be mandatory.

 

[Phazer]

If servers are paid minimum or better, many will stop tipping altogether. Which is fine, as the “tips are mandatory” thing has always bothered me. Tips should be for above and beyond service, in the opinion of the person being served.

In jurisdictions where servers are paid minimum wage, people do indeed stop tipping. The servers do better without government intervention.

Maine tried to raise its minimum wage. Restaurant workers didn’t want it.
By Caitlin Dewey June 27, 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...workers-didnt-want-it/?utm_term=.451b1c67536c

But in Maine, servers actively campaigned to overturn the results of a November referendum raising servers’ hourly wages from $3.75 in 2016 to $12 by 2024, saying it would cause customers to tip less and actually reduce their take-home income.
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Of course, as a waiter at a mid-range restaurant, you have to hustle to make the higher wages. I always accepted other servers' tables if they didn't want to work too much on a given shift. Not every table will tip well (or, necessarily at all). Some tip very well. Most are somewhere in the middle. Regardless, if I worked hard with a 4-8 table station during Christmas break at a Mexican restaurant in a mall, I usually walked out with around $50 cash after a 5 hour shift in 1990. Minimum wage was around $3.35/hr. So, I was fine with that as a way to earn spending money before returning to college.

 

[GOPerfect]

There is no MAXIMUM wage, and there should be no MINIMUM wage. It is all Bullshit.

Pay what is needed. If a job is offered at $10 an hour and no one takes the job, guess you have to pay more to get employees. As for tipping, I hate it. I hate everything about it.

I would like to see this entire tip thing go away. I have traveled to at least 30 other Countries, and nearly no other place does this. What a stupid idea it was to begin this crap!

I tip very, very little when I go out. Sometimes, I do not tip at all. I pay my bill for the services rendered. Everything should be included with the meal price! Hell, I'll get up and grab my own food and refills. Servers do very little for me. I do not need them to interrupt my meal to see if the steak was cooked right, just go away!

 

[Podmonkey]

I must admit since I prefer everyone's bodily fluids stay out of my meal (and because I recoginze they make shit otherwise) I tip generously.

 

[GOPerfect]

My wife and family usually leave prior to me paying the bill because they are embarrassed by my such low tipping.

 

[Podmonkey]

My wife and family usually leave prior to me paying the bill because they are embarrassed by my such low tipping.