So, as some of you know, I moved my domicile out of NYS to North Carolina, and more recently to South Carolina. I still have family and friends, as well as potential business back in New Yorkistan, and I still visit NY on occasion. For about the last 10 years, I have held an Unrestricted NY CCW.
I want to keep my permit for the above reasons. Although NY does not allow reciprocity with any other state, or issue to non-residents, as a result of the Osterweil v Bartlett decision in the Second Circuit on October 15, 2013, it is in fact legal for Ex-New Yorkers who come back to NY on a part time basis to keep their existing NY CCW permits.
In light of that decision, and because I do have a part time residence in NY, I decided to go for it. I contacted my old county's PPO by phone, and inquired what they required for me to do that.
They told me I would need to either send them a letter, or to fill out their Change of Address Form, and send it to them with: (1) A check or Money Order for $3.00 for a new paper permit, or for $5.00 for a new plastic card permit (and I did not have to return my existing permit card).; (2) to include a photocopy of my current state Driver's License; (3) to include a photocopy of my NY State Non Driver ID Card (mandatory, - they would not issue a new CCW Permit without that), showing my NY State address; and (4) to include a photocopy of my current NYS CCW Permit Card. They told me that my new card would show my NY State address from my NY Non Driver ID, and that their internal records would show my domicile address here in SC for all correspondence, and that is where my new CCW permit would be mailed to.
I did all of that (I sent a letter and did not use their form) by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested. I was pleasantly surprised when my new CCW card showed up here a couple of weeks later.
That was all well and good! But they included a two page letter along with it, and therein lies the potential problem.
Paragraph 12. It alludes to some uncited Federal Law, AND, it doesn't even make sense to me. Also, the last two lines on Page 2 demand that I notify them within 10 days of either loss of, or disposing of a firearm listed on my permit, and then they threaten to revoke my permit if I fail to do that.
My issues with that are: I moved from NYS, and took my firearms with me. To my knowledge, I broke no law whatsoever. In fact, prior to my move, I had CCW permits from other states that covered me in the states I traveled across, - PA, W. VA, and VA. As I am no longer a resident of New York State, I believe that New York has ZERO legal authority to say or do anything about them, absent than if they were somehow used in a crime (murder, etc.). I believe that as long as I follow the laws in another state that I live in regarding said firearms, that New York State has no say if or when or to whom I sell or gift any of my firearms. I believe that the only say NY has over the firearms on my permit, is IF and WHEN I bring a handgun into New York, it needs to be on my NY CCW permit.
Now, I know that if I sell or dispose of any of my firearms down here, that will upset the NY State Police's tracking databases, but I disagree that they have any say (or legal recourse) whatsoever.
I am very curious to hear from others on here their thoughts about this. If anyone prefers to PM me instead of posting that is OK too.
I am also curious what anyone thinks about this: Would I be breaking any laws (as a resident of South Carolina) if, when I was in New York State and I went ahead and bought a new handgun (using my NY Non Driver ID and my NY CCW permit, - both of which have my part time NY address listed on them?
This whole deal strikes me a giant clusterfuck brought about by NY's ridiculous demands to keep track of every single handgun I own.
From Page 2 of the letter:
I want to keep my permit for the above reasons. Although NY does not allow reciprocity with any other state, or issue to non-residents, as a result of the Osterweil v Bartlett decision in the Second Circuit on October 15, 2013, it is in fact legal for Ex-New Yorkers who come back to NY on a part time basis to keep their existing NY CCW permits.
In light of that decision, and because I do have a part time residence in NY, I decided to go for it. I contacted my old county's PPO by phone, and inquired what they required for me to do that.
They told me I would need to either send them a letter, or to fill out their Change of Address Form, and send it to them with: (1) A check or Money Order for $3.00 for a new paper permit, or for $5.00 for a new plastic card permit (and I did not have to return my existing permit card).; (2) to include a photocopy of my current state Driver's License; (3) to include a photocopy of my NY State Non Driver ID Card (mandatory, - they would not issue a new CCW Permit without that), showing my NY State address; and (4) to include a photocopy of my current NYS CCW Permit Card. They told me that my new card would show my NY State address from my NY Non Driver ID, and that their internal records would show my domicile address here in SC for all correspondence, and that is where my new CCW permit would be mailed to.
I did all of that (I sent a letter and did not use their form) by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested. I was pleasantly surprised when my new CCW card showed up here a couple of weeks later.
That was all well and good! But they included a two page letter along with it, and therein lies the potential problem.
Paragraph 12. It alludes to some uncited Federal Law, AND, it doesn't even make sense to me. Also, the last two lines on Page 2 demand that I notify them within 10 days of either loss of, or disposing of a firearm listed on my permit, and then they threaten to revoke my permit if I fail to do that.
My issues with that are: I moved from NYS, and took my firearms with me. To my knowledge, I broke no law whatsoever. In fact, prior to my move, I had CCW permits from other states that covered me in the states I traveled across, - PA, W. VA, and VA. As I am no longer a resident of New York State, I believe that New York has ZERO legal authority to say or do anything about them, absent than if they were somehow used in a crime (murder, etc.). I believe that as long as I follow the laws in another state that I live in regarding said firearms, that New York State has no say if or when or to whom I sell or gift any of my firearms. I believe that the only say NY has over the firearms on my permit, is IF and WHEN I bring a handgun into New York, it needs to be on my NY CCW permit.
Now, I know that if I sell or dispose of any of my firearms down here, that will upset the NY State Police's tracking databases, but I disagree that they have any say (or legal recourse) whatsoever.
I am very curious to hear from others on here their thoughts about this. If anyone prefers to PM me instead of posting that is OK too.
I am also curious what anyone thinks about this: Would I be breaking any laws (as a resident of South Carolina) if, when I was in New York State and I went ahead and bought a new handgun (using my NY Non Driver ID and my NY CCW permit, - both of which have my part time NY address listed on them?
This whole deal strikes me a giant clusterfuck brought about by NY's ridiculous demands to keep track of every single handgun I own.
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