Letter/Essay for unrestricted pistol permit

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I post this with caution. I did a search on this forum, and found nothing. Perhaps I was using the wrong key words. I was looking for advice and/or sample letters people wrote to ask for unrestricted pistol permits for the first time applicant. If there's already a thread somewhere and I missed it, please link it to me. Also, if this post is in the incorrect sub forum, let me know.
 
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Dear Emperor Cuomo,

I am a loyal apparatchik of New Yorkistan and do beg the permission of your majesty for the ability to own a gun. I promise it will be used only in furtherance of the goals of the State, and I certify that I believe anyone who doesn’t think abortion is not the murder of children, that the rich should pay 100% taxes, that Your Exalted Highnesses’ corruption is perfectly OK, should be tarred, feathered and run out of New Yorkistan on a rail.

With undying loyalty of votes and financial supports,

Citizen
 
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C3D said:
Dear Emperor Cuomo,

I am a loyal apparatchik of New Yorkistan and do beg the permission of your majesty for the ability to own a gun. I promise it will be used only in furtherance of the goals of the State, and I certify that I believe anyone who doesn’t think abortion is not the murder of children, that the rich should pay 100% taxes, that Your Exalted Highnesses’ corruption is perfectly OK, should be tarred, feathered and run out of New Yorkistan on a rail.

With undying loyalty of votes and financial supports,

Citizen
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Seems reasonable.

I recently moved here from MI, and the whole idea of begging for the ability to carry a concealed weapon is ridiculous. When in Rome, I guess.
 
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Keep it short clearly state what you want. Judges get a ton of these letters and probably don't want to read a novel for the information they need. I don't remember what I wrote in mine but was pretty short and to the point.
 
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If you don’t get a unrestricted in Oswego county off the bat, u can take a additional class then write the judge to get your restriction taken off. My wife just did it. Basically telling the judge about your character and reason to carry. It is not guaranteed to get the restriction off. My wife is out of town, idk where her letter is or I would show you.
 
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The web site now states that you need to take an additional training course before getting restrictions removed. Well it says the judge strongly recommends or something like that. I’d take the intro to concealed carry class with firearms training of western New York. James is a great guy and he will help you form your wording to the judge or just take your class with him if you have not and he will help you the same.


Wording from the county web site.

If you have applied for or plan to apply for a Full Conceal Carry Permit, the Licensing Officer recommends that you take a “conceal carry” class from a certified instructor in addition to the mandatory safety course. The “conceal carry” class is deemed an advanced course and requires that participants have obtained a pistol permit prior to enrolling. Please note that this office is unable to recommend specific instructors.
 
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What's "full conceal carry?" Is it more than "kind of concealed carry"? Certainly it must be more concealed than open carry, but less than, say, "deep concealed carry"?

Good lord I hate this state sometimes. You'd think the people in this country that are- demonstrably- more law abiding than LEO's could catch a break.
 
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3fingervic said:
I post this with caution. I did a search on this forum, and found nothing. Perhaps I was using the wrong key words. I was looking for advice and/or sample letters people wrote to ask for unrestricted pistol permits for the first time applicant. If there's already a thread somewhere and I missed it, please link it to me. Also, if this post is in the incorrect sub forum, let me know.
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Just keep it short and factual.
Unfortunately hey are going to want to know why you think you should get an unrestricted permit.

Sucks but that’s the way ny is.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
The web site now states that you need to take an additional training course before getting restrictions removed. Well it says the judge strongly recommends or something like that. I’d take the intro to concealed carry class with firearms training of western New York. James is a great guy and he will help you form your wording to the judge or just take your class with him if you have not and he will help you the same.


Wording from the county web site.

If you have applied for or plan to apply for a Full Conceal Carry Permit, the Licensing Officer recommends that you take a “conceal carry” class from a certified instructor in addition to the mandatory safety course. The “conceal carry” class is deemed an advanced course and requires that participants have obtained a pistol permit prior to enrolling. Please note that this office is unable to recommend specific instructors.
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I second this recommendation! James Emmick of FTWNY is both an excellent instructor, AND, when you take his course, he will help you to write your letter to the Judge as to why you should be given an Unrestricted Permit. Just to be clear, he will not write it for you. You need to at least draft it, and then he will help improve it for you. Otherwise, some might say he is the one actually writing the letters for you, and that would become problematic for him.

I have an Unrestricted one I got from the current Erie County Judge, Bill Boller. Unlike some county officers in this state, he is pretty 2A friendly,- but don’t try to throw BS in his direction.

In my case, I wrote him a letter that stated some of the following: that I had hunted with my dad and my uncles as a teenager; that when I was in the service, I had carried both a 1911 and an M-14, and that I served on the shipboard SWAT team, as well as armed Shore Patrol and Brow watches; that I am a business owner and sometimes carried large sums of cash; that I frequently worked alone at odd hours, and traveled to unknown areas; that I liked to camp and hike, and wanted to be able to defend myself from unsavory persons; and that in general, I wanted to be able to defend myself should the need arise.

YMMV. As I said, take the courses from James Emmick, and follow his guidance. I know someone who didn’t, and took a course from a guy at the Buffalo Gun Center on Harlem Road. That instructor did not help him, and did not even tell him to be sure to check on the application that he was applying for Unrestricted Carry. He told the guy to only apply for Target & Hunting, and that the judge will not give out any Unrestricted Permits! When he had his interview with law enforcement, he told the officer that he wanted Unrestricted, but the officer gave him shit, and told him it was too late to change it! And, the judge gave him what he asked for,- Target and Hunting only.

One more thing: per Allen Brown of the Erie County PPO, their own website is wrong in reference to taking the advanced course in order to obtain an Unrestricted Permit, since you cannot do a live fire course before having a permit! My suggestion is that you ask James Emmick about this issue.
 
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BDinPutnam said:
What's "full conceal carry?" Is it more than "kind of concealed carry"? Certainly it must be more concealed than open carry, but less than, say, "deep concealed carry"?

Good lord I hate this state sometimes. You'd think the people in this country that are- demonstrably- more law abiding than LEO's could catch a break.
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Full concealed carry only applies to full semi automatic handguns!
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BDinPutnam said:
What's "full conceal carry?" Is it more than "kind of concealed carry"? Certainly it must be more concealed than open carry, but less than, say, "deep concealed carry"?

Good lord I hate this state sometimes. You'd think the people in this country that are- demonstrably- more law abiding than LEO's could catch a break.
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The language that certain counties use for pistol permitting is way too confusing. If you look at the actual language used in the relevant law (400.00) there are (7) permit types described. This excerpt from http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newyork.pdf paraphrases those permit types:

  • Premise Dwelling – Have and possess in his dwelling by a householder.
  • Premise Business – Have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper.
  • Bank or Express Messenger – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed by a banking institution or express company.
  • Justice of The Supreme Court 1st or 2nd Judicial Dept. or Judge of NYC Civil or Criminal Court – Have and carry concealed by a justice of the supreme court in the first or second judicial departments, or by a judge of the New York City civil court or the New York City criminal court.
  • Employee Of Corrections – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a regular employee of an institution of the state, or of any county, city, town or village, under control of a commissioner of correction of the city or any warden, superintendent or head keeper of any state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime or held as witnesses in criminal cases, provided that application is made therefore by such commissioner, warden, superintendent or head keeper.
  • Proper Cause – Have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof.
  • Antique Pistols – Have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined in section 400.00 subd. 2(i)(ii)(1)(2).
There is no such thing as a target-only or hunting-only permit, despite what many people claim.
When county applications refer to "full" or "unrestricted" permits, they are informally referring to the 'Proper Cause' permit, which is inherently the least restrictive permit type.

The tricky part is that while some counties will freely hand out 'proper cause' permits to anyone who qualifies to own a handgun, other counties are somewhat more selective on that (some truly require that you demonstrate a very real threat or danger exists in your life).

And of course, when it comes to target shooting or hunting out on public land, there is quite a bit of gray area in regards to how the handgun should be carried.

Like a lot of other NY laws, these firearm laws weren't well thought-out.
 
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