Newguyhere
.40 S&W
Looking for smith to pin and weld a thread cap on a mini-14 in Mt Kisco area. I don't have the time to send it to Adco.
Local gunsmith to pin and weld thread cap
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
use jb weld
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How hard would it be if it is even possible to remove it if one escaped ny?
Newguyhere
.40 S&W
It's not leaving NY. That's why I am looking.
And to properly transfer it, it has to be done per the FFL.
And to properly transfer it, it has to be done per the FFL.
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I meant that the JB welding was less distructive to the barrel than pinning. Suppose you ever attained the normal freedoms of americans, you wouldn't want to leave a hole through the endge of your barrel would you?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Huh?
I will transfer it for you if you need. I wont give you any ignorant extra bs hoops to jump through.
Tillson ny 12486
Chris1389
.45 acp
Collector rifle and ammo in hopewell junction
Newguyhere
.40 S&W
You can do this with the flash hider on? I am in LE but what if the other party is not?
I appreciate the offer. I am a little over an hour away from your shop.
I appreciate the offer. I am a little over an hour away from your shop.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Not sure what your question is. I must follow the law. But i understand the law. I dont make ahit up. I try and make it as easy as possible.
If you need me to afix a cap, i will.
Call me or e mail me directly.
Thx
spat
.700 Nitro Express
JB weld is an epoxy of sorts, he is talking about basically gluing a thread on protector in place. Not something you really need a gunsmith for. Basically buy a package at Walmart, mix the 2 parts, apply to threads, thread on the protector you bought (cause a flash hider is still a no-no, removable or not) and let it sit.
Probably harder to remove without damaging the rifle than a pinned and welded cap, so in most peoples mind more permanent and sufficient to satisfy the law.
Newguyhere
.40 S&W
I have used JB weld before. I just didn't think it qualifies as permanent.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It actually doesn't according to the ATF for permanently affixing a device for barrel length.
I understand NYS has no definition but most use the ATF's method in the off chance you had to defend yourself in court. At least you have something to quote.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Has the ATF ever stated that it isn't permanent, or is it just that the only method they officially approved is the pin and weld.
Face it though, if you ever end up defending any of the methods in court it's a bad time all around. Do you think you're less likely to end up there with a pin and weld than something else ?
Really the best way to stay out would probably not have to be permanent at all, just invisible
Smooth threaded cap same dia as the barrel with a tight tolerance, and ceracoatted over the whole thing and its not permanent at all, but it is invisible. Probably better odds with that than welding a fake flash hider right to the barrel.My choice would be both though, invisible, and reasonably permanent.
capitalcrew
.44 mag
That's because you've never used it 
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I had the threads capped on my upper at a gunsmith. They used the jb weld. FYI AFAIK the atf only said those regs you mentioned for if someone was using a muzzle devsie to to meet the 16" minimum.Has the ATF ever stated that it isn't permanent, or is it just that the only method they officially approved is the pin and weld.
Face it though, if you ever end up defending any of the methods in court it's a bad time all around. Do you think you're less likely to end up there with a pin and weld than something else ?
Really the best way to stay out would probably not have to be permanent at all, just invisible
My choice would be both though, invisible, and reasonably permanent.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
BINGO!
Here in NY we're not talking about BATFE regulations regarding barrel length. We're just dealing with New York's prohibition on threaded barrels. As always, there are NO GUIDELINES OR SPECIFICATIONS in the unSAFE Act to describe just how threads are to be handled. So, if a thread protector is secured over any usable threads, it would appear to be in compliance with the letter of the statute.
Once again, I dare anyone to find the words "permanent," "permanently," or "permanence" anywhere in the unSAFE Act with regards to securing magazines, attachment of stocks, or handling threaded barrels.
Feel free to do a word search for yourself:
http://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2013/S2230
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's from their website.Has the ATF ever stated that it isn't permanent, or is it just that the only method they officially approved is the pin and weld.
Face it though, if you ever end up defending any of the methods in court it's a bad time all around. Do you think you're less likely to end up there with a pin and weld than something else ?
Really the best way to stay out would probably not have to be permanent at all, just invisible
My choice would be both though, invisible, and reasonably permanent.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wNpKLWT_GybyyNNSw&sig2=D3pJwFQNztjcMR7UvAcXJQ
Chances are you'd never have to defend it. There are instances thought. IE... Ignorant cop and DA. Remember the SKS guy on the other forum who got arrested for having a bayonet on his SKS after the cops were called to his home for his grandpa or something.
He had to defend that his SKS wasn't an AW and beat it. It is a low chance but I can see the same happening in this case.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I hear you. However they can argue that since you have threads under the cap, it still is a threaded barrel with just a cap over it.
I get what you are saying. They say nothing about permanence here in NYS. Your argument however can be that since the ATF considers those methods permanent for barrel length, you followed them for threading because in both cases the device becomes part of the barrel. And since your barrel cap is on there permanent as per the ATF, you no longer have a threaded barrel since it is impossible to access them.
With a non BATFE method you cannot use that argument if they say your method isn't permanent and the threads are accessible.
Permanence isn't in the law but if the device becomes part of the barrel as per the ATF, then the outside of the cap has no threads.
Again, I don't agree with any of this but it does make sense to use an ATF method compared to another to at least have something to quote in court.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Then I'd ask the New York prosecutor in court, "Please show the court where, in the SAFE Act, there is reference to using 'ATF methods' as a means to render a barrel compliant."
If I am ever forced to defend myself in court from this egregious and intentionally vague statute, I will...for as long as it takes.
Newguyhere
.40 S&W
Both sides makes sense but I also see Phazer's point and try not to live my life in fear of "what if". Hard to comply with a law that is so vague.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Why would the prosecutor tell you to use the ATF definition? Are you saying that they'll say that if you do?
If so, you can quote the Supremacy Clause since the state has no definitions, the federal ones apply.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm saying that the state could fall back on requiring adherence to a standard that they did not write into their own ill-crafted legislation. If they made such a claim, I'd question where the statute specifies such a requirement outside of the ATF's referenced standard regarding barrel lengths.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right but is not pinning really making you brave?
I mean sit down and think of this logically. Ask yourself these following questions.
What benefit will you get from using another method?
Is it a money issue that you cannot pay the extra cost? (around 40 bucks if you do not do it yourself).
If you are willing to take a chance and are going the route where you'll have to defend it on your own, why not just use blue locktite?
What benefit might you get from using the ATF's?
What is your end game?
Do you want to avoid the most problems possible?
Do you just want to go home at night?
Are you okay with losing time and money from work in the slight chance you have to defend yourself?
Is the thousands of dollars lost defending it worth the 40 bucks you saved to get it done via the ATF's method?
I asked myself these questions and just paid the 40 bucks. To each their own.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
No. Its a convenience issue.
I can legally purchase a threaded barrel for a project. But, if I put that threaded barrel onto a semiautomatic lower, I've created a bogus "assault weapon." I do not regularly work with gunsmiths. I do not know any gunsmiths. I do not have the equipment or knowledge to weld anything. I do not want to drill, perhaps too deeply, into a new barrel. So, simply using an epoxy is a matter of convenience.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But why would they say that if the goal was to prosecute you? They'd be better off not saying anything and just saying that you have threads under that cap.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So? Let them try and take off the cap. If the barrel, or even just the threads, is destroyed in the process....I'm out the price of the barrel but I win the case.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just speaking for myself, I fall into your category. I didn't have the tools or knew any NY FFL's that would do it within driving distance.
I thought about it and weighed all options along with the pros and con of just using red locktite. I did a Google search and shipped my barrel to an FFL in Texas. I got it back in less than 2 weeks.
For me it was worth it. The 40 bucks and the week and a half of time without my barrel was worth the inconvenience to have a barrel that passed the test with millions sold in NY prior to the Unsafe Act by the pinning and welding method used by manufacturers to sell rifles in this state.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just speaking for myself, I fall into your category. I didn't have the tools or knew any NY FFL's that would do it within driving distance.
I thought about it and weighed all options along with the pros and con of just using red locktite. I did a Google search and shipped my barrel to an FFL in Texas. I got it back in less than 2 weeks.
For me it was worth it. The 40 bucks and the week and a half of time without my barrel was worth the inconvenience to have a barrel that passed the test with millions sold in NY prior to the Unsafe Act by the pinning and welding method. This method was used by manufacturers to sell rifles in this state fur years.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
600 degree heat will get the cap off with no damage to the threads.
With a pin, they'd have to drill it out. Just saying.