Major ammunition bust made in Arizona: Cochise County Sheriff's Office

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Clearly they were looking for these to individuals for some reason. One is an illegal from Cuba seeking asylum. Did Biden pardon him too?
 
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Hey @Jmac00, was this you headed down to @spat place?

Not sure what to make of this, other than 10K rounds of 50 BMG is some major $$$.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Major ammunition bust made in Arizona: Cochise County Sheriff's Office

Officials in Cochise County say they found thousands of rounds of ammunition during a major bust earlier this month.
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Damn, that explains why the tracking number said "shipment delayed".

Seriously though, 10k rounds of. 50bmg is not something I would haul with a car. I'd think you'd want a 3/4 ton pickup.

That's like 75 to 100 cans depending on whether it's linked or not.
 
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What laws were broken to justify this seizure? I searched around and couldn't find anything stating any violations of the law.

Asylum seekers can possess ammunition in AZ, right? Certainly US citizens can (one of the people is a citizen from TX).
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Unless they had evidence proving they were taking it to Mexico, or it was stolen to begin with, nothing that I know of.

I hauled a shitload of ammo in a u-haul the other direction down that same road when we moved.
 
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spat said:
Damn, that explains why the tracking number said "shipment delayed".

Seriously though, 10k rounds of. 50bmg is not something I would haul with a car. I'd think you'd want a 3/4 ton pickup.

That's like 75 to 100 cans depending on whether it's linked or not.
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Hell no! I could barely afford 10 rounds, let alone 10,000
at what?? a pound and a half per bullet.......10,000 rounds would weigh in at 15,452 pounds or 7.7 TONS of ammo

Ya, you would need a fairly decent sized dump truck to haul almost 8 TONS of ammo
 
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Jmac00 said:
Hell no! I could barely afford 10 rounds, let alone 10,000
at what?? a pound and a half per bullet.......10,000 rounds would weigh in at 15,452 pounds or 7.7 TONS of ammo

Ya, you would need a fairly decent sized dump truck to haul almost 8 TONS of ammo
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They're no where near that heavy.

Loaded round is about 4oz.

A can of 100 rounds at target sports shows 16kg

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So 10k rounds would be a bit over a ton and a half if it was packaged that way.
 
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The article said that there were 3 asylum seekers and One citizen from Tx. Two cars were involved , with the second car containing almost 20,000 r ds. Of 7.62x.39 . A rather unusual ammo haul for three asylum seekers don’t you think ?
 
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"A migrant admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the migrant falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. § 922(y)(2)

We are either a Nation of laws, or we are not.

We are a Nation that is willing to protect the innocent and assets, or we are not.
 
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Jmac00 said:
Hell no! I could barely afford 10 rounds, let alone 10,000
at what?? a pound and a half per bullet.......10,000 rounds would weigh in at 15,452 pounds or 7.7 TONS of ammo

Ya, you would need a fairly decent sized dump truck to haul almost 8 TONS of ammo
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The USMC says a Belt of (100) using the old links is 35 pounds which when adding the cans and wooden overpacking, would put you closer to 4500 pounds, still that's a shit-load of specific ammunition...If I remember, there was a shipment or two of ammunition that was hi-jacked in Mexico in the last year, and or it could have been a Military Munitions contract carrier got hit as Bases don't store a lot of ammo on base, but order on demand.
 
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OwnTheRide said:
What laws were broken to justify this seizure? I searched around and couldn't find anything stating any violations of the law.

Asylum seekers can possess ammunition in AZ, right? Certainly US citizens can (one of the people is a citizen from TX).
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That’s why I said they must be watching them for some reason. I’m assuming they are part of some organized crime or terror plot they do not want to speak about but who knows. That many 50 caliber rounds is not normal. Not saying they should be arrested or confiscated but there is hopefully more to this story or something must be done to correct the wrong done to these two.
 
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GOPerfect said:
"A migrant admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the migrant falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. § 922(y)(2)

We are either a Nation of laws, or we are not.

We are a Nation that is willing to protect the innocent and assets, or we are not.
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Okay, that makes sense. I'm certainly not up to speed on the specifics of immigration law. So what about the citizen from Texas, then?

I mean, yeah, I assume there's more to the story here. Just seems odd that nothing has been mentioned.
 
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OwnTheRide said:
Okay, that makes sense. I'm certainly not up to speed on the specifics of immigration law. So what about the citizen from Texas, then?

I mean, yeah, I assume there's more to the story here. Just seems odd that nothing has been mentioned.
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Like you said, way more to this story, hoping we get the facts. I do not know what charges have been levied against each of them. Time shall tell....
 
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100 rounds of .50 caliber ammo weighs 9.801 lbs.
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I was going off what Target Sports has a can of 100 rounds listed for as a shipping weight.

I'm assuming that's closer to the all up weight. Probably includes links and the ammo can and maybe some other packing material.

Nobody is going to drive around with 10,000 loose rounds in their trunk.
 
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100 rounds of .50 caliber ammo weighs 9.801 lbs.
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Are you just calculating the projectile weight ?

Four loaded rounds is a pound, just by themselves without any links or cans or packaging.

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That 661 is the bullet alone, not the loaded cartridge.


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Yea, I think you were.

At 647gr for ball rounds the bullets alone weight almost 10lbs for 100rnds.

The 700grn AP rounds would weigh almost exactly 10lbs.
 
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There is some ( minor ) new information added to the original article and a completely different photo from yesterday of the Ammo seized.
 
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