Mandated covid19 vaccines for all NYC employees

[Blimey]

Have you actually read anything that I posted? Overwhelming amount of evidence of research. Interviews with some of the most highly respected Doctors in the field. Nurses, Doctors! Warning the world. The inventor of the PCR test, an Inventor of mRNA vaccine technology. Flip flopping Fauci statements. I just pass along information. It's up to you to use a Common sense approach. You drank the Kool aid and trusted Political Science not real science and took the Experimental jab. That's your problem now..Good luck with that. I'll bet you still believe masks work when you can contract a virus through the eyes.!! Why no goggle mandates?? Put some goggles on and research!!

I read some of what you posted. Most of what you post is the same pseudo-science your alter-ego posts. It doesn't even attempt to be objective. It's all 100% anti-covid, anti-vaccine, anti-government. It starts with the unshakeable conclusion that this is all a giant conspiracy and then it fills in the gaps to support that. Most importantly, it's summarily dismissible as untrue with a simple google search. For example, you have multiple articles since January referring to this quack: The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online

Your problem as always is that you a) tried to lot this entire thing into sides and then b) assumed that the "other side" is always lying and your side is not. It's no different than how you approach politics (e.g. the election).

 

[Defilade]

I read some of what you posted. Most of what you post is the same pseudo-science your alter-ego posts. It doesn't even attempt to be objective. It's all 100% anti-covid, anti-vaccine, anti-government. It starts with the unshakeable conclusion that this is all a giant conspiracy and then it fills in the gaps to support that. Most importantly, it's summarily dismissible as untrue with a simple google search. For example, you have multiple articles since January referring to this quack: The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online

Your problem as always is that you a) tried to lot this entire thing into sides and then b) assumed that the "other side" is always lying and your side is not. It's no different than how you approach politics (e.g. the election).

Thanks for the laugh..it was a hardy one.. You post a Hit piece from the NY times and Then hint that the Election must be STILL on the up and up.. Just stop... My stomach hurts..

 

[Truebeliever]

Explaining it to "them" lol. Some of "us" understood things just fine and after reading @RooftopKorean 's post it seems to back up what "we" have been saying for some time. The doctors treatments killed many. Like I mentioned earlier, G-d forbid they took a different approach that actually involved health and nutrition. 3rd leading cause.

He backs up and explains covid is deadly. Some people here were thinking it’s not . The argument of nutrition etc is a little late for most most people and is a different argument. One that is something for the whole health care system and people’s lifestyles rather than just Covid. No war between us on that one.

Rooftop isn’t sure if he made the right decision because he knows people died without the emergency room intervention. Do you think all those nursing home deaths including people who were there for things like a broken hip or leg got all of those interventions?The answer is no. Many died before being transported to a real hospital.
Are you claiming Cuomo’s decision to put Covid patients in nursing homes ( not all of them old people or infirm) didn’t kill thousands? Is that what you are claiming? Please explain.

 

[GOPerfect]

So, I am a prepped. No secret.

I try to be as prepared for any and all that comes my way.

I store food, water, guns ammo and everything under the sun.

I bought additional property and built a second home away from home. I have supplies there as well.

I save as much money as possible, I invest and buy precious metals. I never know what is coming so I try to prep for all.

I had a feeling a while back that this was coming.

I have saved a bunch of sick time and the like, I will use all that sick time prior to talking a shot or going through daily tests. I will not be a willing participant.

Yesterday, I, along with a few coworkers, reached out to a really good labor attorney.

We will persure this as far as needed.

 

[Truebeliever]

So, I am a prepped. No secret.

I try to be as prepared for any and all that comes my way.

I store food, water, guns ammo and everything under the sun.

I bought additional property and built a second home away from home. I have supplies there as well.

I save as much money as possible, I invest and buy precious metals. I never know what is coming so I try to prep for all.

I had a feeling a while back that this was coming.

I have saved a bunch of sick time and the like, I will use all that sick time prior to talking a shot or going through daily tests. I will not be a willing participant.

Yesterday, I, along with a few coworkers, reached out to a really good labor attorney.

We will persure this as far as needed.

Please peruse it . Obviously I am not an anti-vaxxer but there are many who have legitimate reasons not to want to take this vaccine.

I also don’t like the slippery slope that this precedent can create toward other medical decisions.

 

[Bigfoot]

TL;DR - Ah fuck it. I'm going to go out and lick door handles and sick people.



99.5+% survival rate for the majority of people.

The flu kills people too. I have never been concerned at all about getting infected with the flu.
Like many others, I'm not the kind of person that the flu kills. Same thing with the Chinese Flu.

I have not and do not take any extra precautions. I do things no differently than pre covid.
I refused to wear a mask. I don't wash my hands until I get home. I don't worry about touching my face when I have an itch. I don't wipe down my steering wheel or other parts in the trucks.
Since the beginning my friends and I have not masked up or social distanced when we hang out together. On and on and on.

After a year and a half of that and being around the public everyday. Nothing has changed.
I'm exactly the same as pre covid. I personally know some people who had COVID including
my 80 year old mother. Not one of them was hospitalized. Not one of them suffered all that badly. No worse than having the flu.

For all I know maybe they did have the flu even though they tested positive for covid.
You know, the whole PCR testing debacle. But that's a whole other scammy issue.

My immune system gets a work out each and every day. It is in good working order.
What ever I'm doing is working. It has been at least a year and a half now. And I have barely skipped a beat. I'm not changing anything. I have been sick once during that time. I don't know if it was covid or the flu.

If covid is so bad ass you would think that I would have been able to tell the difference between the two. But the symptoms are so similar I couldn't tell. I suspect it was covid because I lost my sense of taste and smell for a little while and the fatigue was off the charts. But who knows, who cares? I got sick for a week or so... Meh, these things happen. And will happen again. That's life.

 

[RooftopKorean]

@Truebeliever please don't use what I said to twist into what you want.

I never made a broad generalized statement saying "Covid is deadly".

Like I had said, the severity was different from person to person, just as every years strain of influenza or any disease process for that matter.

Your reasoning of - you have good source of information on Covid-19 because your friend is an ER doctor is flawed.

As someone mentioned previously, his view and approach to Covid would be skewed to his training and approach as an ER doctor. Not even getting researchers into the mix for my argument, an Internist or ID doctor's approach would be completely different from the other two.

Using your analogy I should be a God damn expert on it since I responded hundreds of EMS calls in the NYC 911 during the height of it all.

Edit: punctuation, grammar. Posting from smartphone.

 

[Bigfoot]

So, I am a prepped. No secret.

I try to be as prepared for any and all that comes my way.

I store food, water, guns ammo and everything under the sun.

I bought additional property and built a second home away from home. I have supplies there as well.

I save as much money as possible, I invest and buy precious metals. I never know what is coming so I try to prep for all.

I had a feeling a while back that this was coming.

I have saved a bunch of sick time and the like, I will use all that sick time prior to talking a shot or going through daily tests. I will not be a willing participant.

Yesterday, I, along with a few coworkers, reached out to a really good labor attorney.

We will persure this as far as needed.

I would like to ad. Everyone, it's never a bad time to top off your preps. Don't overlook the simple things... Also, don't forget to stock up on pet supplies if applicable. Just thought I would mention it.

 

[diggs223]

There have been three different studies by mathematicians, all said the same. One from harvard. All quickly suppressed, can't find them anymore. Gross numbers of deaths within norms. But all had numbers moved fro columns A B to column C. Like the believers here, before vax you die of covid after you die from disease

 

[Truebeliever]

@Truebeliever please don't use what I said to twist into what you want.

I never made a broad generalized statement saying "Covid is deadly".

Like I had said, the severity was different from person to person, just as every years strain of influenza or any disease process for that matter.

Your reasoning of - you have good source of information on Covid-19 because your friend is an ER doctor is flawed.

As someone mentioned previously, his view and approach to Covid would be skewed to his training and approach as an ER doctor. Not even getting researchers into the mix for my argument, an Internist or ID doctor's approach would be completely different from the other two.

Using your analogy I should be a God damn expert on it since I responded hundreds of EMS calls in the NYC 911 during the height of it all.

Edit: punctuation, grammar. Posting from smartphone.

Is Covid deadly? Did it effect people more than the normal strain of flu? The answer is yes.
Yes, my friend point of view might be scewed. Nevermind her ER experience with other diseases like the flu before Covid. Nevermind that her research paper on Covid was published. Nevermind that she got infected by it. Nevermind that she has worked in foreign countries with serious outbreaks of other diseases so she might have a correct gauge how it compares to regular flu or other diseases.
Covid is deadly. Yes. Is it Ebola deadly? No.

But as someone who would see a lot of cases if there were in the numbers some claim, how many people have you transported that died from the vaccine itself?

And I don’t discount your experience even if I might disagree with you. You might have more practical experience than some so called experts.

 

[prambo]

Is Covid deadly? Did it effect people more than the normal strain of flu? The answer is yes.
Yes, my friend point of view might be scewed. Nevermind her ER experience with other diseases like the flu before Covid. Nevermind that her research paper on Covid was published. Nevermind that she got infected by it. Nevermind that she has worked in foreign countries with serious outbreaks of other diseases so she might have a correct gauge how it compares to regular flu or other diseases.
Covid is deadly. Yes. Is it Ebola deadly? No.

But as someone who would see a lot of cases if there were in the numbers some claim, how many people have you transported that died from the vaccine itself?

And I don’t discount your experience even if I might disagree with you. You might have more practical experience than some so called experts.

Please provide a link to the paper on PubMed.

 

[spat]

@Truebeliever please don't use what I said to twist into what you want.

I never made a broad generalized statement saying "Covid is deadly".

Like I had said, the severity was different from person to person, just as every years strain of influenza or any disease process for that matter.

Your reasoning of - you have good source of information on Covid-19 because your friend is an ER doctor is flawed.

As someone mentioned previously, his view and approach to Covid would be skewed to his training and approach as an ER doctor. Not even getting researchers into the mix for my argument, an Internist or ID doctor's approach would be completely different from the other two.

Using your analogy I should be a God damn expert on it since I responded hundreds of EMS calls in the NYC 911 during the height of it all.

Edit: punctuation, grammar. Posting from smartphone.

Well, obviously covid is deadly.

It *has* killed a fair number of people.

The debate is over *how* deadly it is.

The flu is plenty deadly too, by all accounts it *has* killed more people over the last 20 years than covid has.

The real question is will that still be true 20 years from now.


Certainly covid is no where near as deadly all the "the apocalypse is upon us" rhetoric coming out of government and the media would suggest.



Then you have to recognize that a world where 50k Americans die from the flu in a year *is the baseline*. That is the level of precautions that we should consider the ground state.

How many times as deadly as the flu would covid have to be in order to justify the current reaction ? A lot more than it is, that's for sure.

 

[Truebeliever]

Please provide a link to the paper on PubMed.

Opsec says a big no to that one. Not only for my privacy but hers as well. Why not just ask for her name and the hospital while you are at it. It would be on the paper.

 

[Truebeliever]

Well, obviously covid is deadly.

It *has* killed a fair number of people.

The debate is over *how* deadly it is.

The flu is plenty deadly too, by all accounts it *has* killed more people over the last 20 years than covid has.

The real question is will that still be true 20 years from now.


Certainly covid is no where near as deadly all the "the apocalypse is upon us" rhetoric coming out of government and the media would suggest.



Then you have to recognize that a world where 50k Americans die from the flu in a year *is the baseline*. That is the level of precautions that we should consider the ground state.

How many times as deadly as the flu would covid have to be in order to justify the current reaction ? A lot more than it is, that's for sure.

Ah, see common ground. Nothing I said would justify the continued lockdowns. Nor did I advocate mandatory vaccines.

Some people went to the extremes to say Covid isn’t deadly. Some people said people must get the vaccine.

Some people have misinformation such as Covid doesn’t present itself differently than regular in most cases— regular flu tends not to the happy hypoxia and hits children hard unlike Covid . Most kids with Covid have light to no symptoms at all. If the whole family is symptomatic hit hard including the children , it’s probably not Covid- they test anyway as precaution.
My position is get accurate information then make your own choice

 

[prambo]

Opsec says a big no to that one. Not only for my privacy but hers as well. Why not just ask for her name and the hospital while you are at it. It would be on the paper.

Well......if you aren't on the paper, and there are multiple authors....who can tell?

You see, old son, my PubMed publications list has been seen by one member here, and my entire career, including my CV have been given another member.

Another member of long standing has confirmed the veracity of those documents with the other 2.

AFAIK, you're shoveling adult male cow excrement. Your claims mean nothing - not one scintilla of supportive evidence presented.

So, adios. Welcome to my "ignore" list - haven't got the time for infantile pissing matches.

 

[Dr. Evil]

He backs up and explains covid is deadly. Some people here were thinking it’s not . The argument of nutrition etc is a little late for most most people and is a different argument. One that is something for the whole health care system and people’s lifestyles rather than just Covid. No war between us on that one.

Rooftop isn’t sure if he made the right decision because he knows people died without the emergency room intervention. Do you think all those nursing home deaths including people who were there for things like a broken hip or leg got all of those interventions?The answer is no. Many died before being transported to a real hospital.
Are you claiming Cuomo’s decision to put Covid patients in nursing homes ( not all of them old people or infirm) didn’t kill thousands? Is that what you are claiming? Please explain.

Yes, covid was deadly but not to the extent that many think. Again, basically it was a VERY STRONG FLU. So, it did more damage than the regular flu because it was a VERY STRONG FLU. We also don't have a health care system. We have a disease care system. Period. The fact that it is a little late for most people only magnifies how incorrectly the medical profession educates people on "Health" as well as their application of it. Not sure what a "real" hospital is. I just know as far as health, a hospital is not the best place for sick people to get well. Not sure how you could even question my thoughts on Cuomo as for his executive order. People in nursing homes are typically the worst of the worst as far as health and function. I used to do lunch and learn workshops for nursing home staff's (who were 10 miles of bad road themselves when it came to health) and I had to stop doing them because of how sad and devastating it was for me to witness how the residents basically existed and were waiting to die. When you are that close to the edge of the cliff it doesn't take much of a push to fall over. So, I hope I have made it crystal clear my position. Covid was a VERY BAD FLU at the beginning. Very frail people with one foot in the grave couldn't adapt to their environment. Instead of a long dragged out existence and eventual death the VERY STRONG FLU helped them along. Cuomo should hang for what he did. The medical profession didn't know and still doesn't know what to do as far as treatment (for this or any other disease for that matter) and shunned anything other than their paradigm. From what I got out of it Rooftop was torn that he DID take his father to the hospital. He was torn because he wonders if he should have handled it differently WITHOUT the hospital. Not sure you comprehended his typed words. I also see that he has corrected you by taking the words out of his own mouth you seem to have put in.

 

[Truebeliever]

Yes, covid was deadly but not to the extent that many think. Again, basically it was a VERY STRONG FLU. So, it did more damage than the regular flu because it was a VERY STRONG FLU. We also don't have a health care system. We have a disease care system. Period. The fact that it is a little late for most people only magnifies how incorrectly the medical profession educates people on "Health" as well as their application of it. Not sure what a "real" hospital is. I just know as far as health, a hospital is not the best place for sick people to get well. Not sure how you could even question my thoughts on Cuomo as for his executive order. People in nursing homes are typically the worst of the worst as far as health and function. I used to do lunch and learn workshops for nursing home staff's (who were 10 miles of bad road themselves when it came to health) and I had to stop doing them because of how sad and devastating it was for me to witness how the residents basically existed and were waiting to die. When you are that close to the edge of the cliff it doesn't take much of a push to fall over. So, I hope I have made it crystal clear my position. Covid was a VERY BAD FLU at the beginning. Very frail people with one foot in the grave couldn't adapt to their environment. Instead of a long dragged out existence and eventual death the VERY STRONG FLU helped them along. Cuomo should hang for what he did. The medical profession didn't know and still doesn't know what to do as far as treatment (for this or any other disease for that matter) and shunned anything other than their paradigm. From what I got out of it Rooftop was torn that he DID take his father to the hospital. He was torn because he wonders if he should have handled it differently WITHOUT the hospital. Not sure you comprehended his typed words. I also see that he has corrected you by taking the words out of his own mouth you seem to have put in.

Yes, I did read that and reacted to that. Many died who did treat it as a normal flu and died at home. Many who died in the nursing homes did not receive hospital level medical care either. He shouldn’t second guess the decision to take his father to the hospital. ( earlier said then done) And that he was a good son to his father.

Did you comprehend how I wrote something similar earlier?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Yes, I did read that and reacted to that. Many died who did treat it as a normal flu and died at home. Many who died in the nursing homes did not receive hospital level medical care either. He shouldn’t second guess the decision to take his father to the hospital. ( earlier said then done) And that he was a good son to his father.

Did you comprehend how I wrote something similar earlier?

At this point and I do agree that it does no good to second guess and beat himself up, I have no idea what you are asking me about what you wrote earlier. Actually it is getting pretty feudal at this point. One more time I will refer back to post #166 for where I stand.

 

[Truebeliever]

Well......if you aren't on the paper, and there are multiple authors....who can tell?

You see, old son, my PubMed publications list has been seen by one member here, and my entire career, including my CV have been given another member.

Another member of long standing has confirmed the veracity of those documents with the other 2.

AFAIK, you're shoveling adult male cow excrement. Your claims mean nothing - not one scintilla of supportive evidence presented.

So, adios. Welcome to my "ignore" list - haven't got the time for infantile pissing matches.

Let’s see who is shoveling what.

Does Covid behave differently with the “ happy hypoxia “ than normal flu?

Does Covid effect children the same way the regular flu does?

Therefore I am correct that it can symptomatically present differently than regular flu.

Someone says they don’t know anyone who died from it. I say I do and then proceed to attempt to tell me I’m wrong and how do I know. As if someone would ask that of Rooftop who lost his father.

I tell you I get information by a friend who is a doctor who published a paper on it. I tell you I have routine conversations with people in healthcare and in hospitals and that people are not dying from the vaccine even close to any number someone posted ( the same people who don’t trust official numbers). Okay. I said they couldn’t cover up that many deaths from the frontline healthcare workers and they would know. Someone then claims that they wouldn’t tell me if it was true as if they know the people involved and our relationship.
Then someone wants the study my friend wrote ( might as ask for her name- I point out that “ she” kind of narrows down the possibilities on which doctor it would be- then add ER doctor- match made). Her identity is not my right to give out.

As if I couldn’t just google other research papers and post it to support my position . You would never know right that it wasn’t my friend’s paper.


Some act as if I am personally attacking them if I disagree.

Im on an ignore list. Wow. As if I personally attacked that person. Try to present my position to the extremes as if I am advocating lockdowns because I don’t say “ it’s just the flu”.
As if our debates were to change that person’s mind rather than the others who read the thread.
Someone tell the ignore list guy- I wish him luck and I still hope his choice of the vaccine is the right one for him

 

[Defilade]

Someone tell me if this is a Pandemic or not?? Asking for a friend.

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[Jmac00]

is it really a vaccine, if you still get the shit its supposed to protect you from? serious question

 

[Dr. Evil]

Does Covid effect children the same way the regular flu does?

Nope. More children die from the regular flu.

"During the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported approximately 480 flu deaths among children ages 0-17, about 30% of whom had a lab-confirmed case of influenza.

Comparably, 90 American youth have died from coronavirus complications from the beginning of the pandemic through mid-August 2020, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

More than 46,000 children were hospitalized for flu in that 2018-19 period. The hospitalization rate among children 5 to 17 was 39.2 children per 100,000 children. For COVID-19, that hospitalization rate is 6 per 100,000 children ages 5 to 17, the CDC says."

 

[Truebeliever]

Nope. More children die from the regular flu.

"During the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported approximately 480 flu deaths among children ages 0-17, about 30% of whom had a lab-confirmed case of influenza.

Comparably, 90 American youth have died from coronavirus complications from the beginning of the pandemic through mid-August 2020, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

More than 46,000 children were hospitalized for flu in that 2018-19 period. The hospitalization rate among children 5 to 17 was 39.2 children per 100,000 children. For COVID-19, that hospitalization rate is 6 per 100,000 children ages 5 to 17, the CDC says."

Thank you. We agree. Clinical diagnosis of Covid vs regular flu is possible.

I think we can agree closure of the schools isn’t to protect the kids. We can agree this Covid response has been politicalized beyond the science or a rational approach

 

[razor]

Someone tell me if this is a Pandemic or not?? Asking for a friend.

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This must be a phony graph, they clearly forgot Delta is here!

 

[Defilade]

Cuomo: Local governments should adopt CDC masking suggestion, mandate vaccines for some workers

The recommendation was first introduced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last week in response to the Delta variant's ability to spread among vaccinated people.

www.whec.com

 

[Defilade]

And there it is! Communism at the doorsteps!

 

[Bigfoot]

Cuomo: Local governments should adopt CDC masking suggestion, mandate vaccines for some workers

The recommendation was first introduced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last week in response to the Delta variant's ability to spread among vaccinated people.

www.whec.com

From the link...

"Some local county leaders told us they would not mandate the vaccine. Cuomo said if local governments do not act, the state will have to act."

When the state acts. It is never a good thing for the people.
X10 when FUAC is in charge.

If things were right in this world FUAC would be held responsible for killing all of those
people in the nursing homes. So yeah, Fuck Off Cuomo.

This isn't about healthcare or public safety. It's about CONTROL.
The same exact thing with the NY UNSAFE Act.



This from the link also...

"He (FUAC) also suggested private businesses only admit vaccinated customers."

This doesn't make any sense. It is well known by now. That vaccinated people can still spread COVID-19. So I have to ask. While a person is in a private business. What's the difference if a person is vaccinated or not?

Here's a thought. I wonder what a private business owner thinks about losing around half of his paying customers.

 

[spat]

And there it is! Communism at the doorsteps!

No, communism is when the government assumes ownership of the corporations.

When the government leaves them privately owned, but just outsources it's oppression to them that's facism.


Know your systems of oppression.

 

[Bigfoot]

I'm telling you all. This scam is way out of control. You got to stop complying. Seriously.
Otherwise, things are only going to get worse and worse.

They will take more and more control if people just keep going along. Think of it this way.
When it comes to gun control laws. Do they stop when they get a certain gun control law passed into law. No, they just keep passing more and more of them.
It's the same thing in this situation.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And there it is! Communism at the doorsteps!

This private business say's, "Go fuck yourself." People can do what ever the hell they feel is in their best interests.