Mass. Bills Would Require Test Fires and Photographs As Well As ‘Inspections’

[livingston]

First, let’s start with Bill H.3782.

Section 122 of chapter 140 of the General Laws is hereby amended by adding the following paragraph:-

Every person licensed to sell, rent or lease firearms shall, for each firearm, contact the Massachusetts State Police Crime Laboratory Ballistics Section to test-fire the firearm, photograph the firearm and prepare ballistics reports based upon their examination to be submitted to along with the make, model, serial number, caliber, barrel length, and gun surface finish for the gun transaction to the Massachusetts Instant Record Check System and Firearm Records Bureau. After the gun information has been entered, every licensed person shall contact the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

That’s right. They want to take a picture and test fire every firearm before you get to buy it. There’s no indication here that this wouldn’t apply to a firearm you purchased elsewhere and have sent to your FFL in Massachusetts. In other words, the state is going to get to shoot your gun before you do, all so they can build a ballistic database.

This is all required to be done before the background check is completed.
MA. Bills Would Require Test Fires, Photographs And Annual 'Inspections'

 

[BDinPutnam]

Not only before you buy it but worse, before it's even sold.

Think about how much unsold stock sits on dealer shelves. How many small shops are going to go out of business if this is enacted? Which is, of course, the goal. If we cant fully ban guns, let's restrict sales to a handful of big chains who we can pressure to only sell pump action shotguns, bolt action rifles, and revolvers.

PS how, exactly, would this work for a stripped lower?

 

[livingston]

https://malegislature.gov/Bills/191/H3782

 

[Jezman]

Because legally bought weapons are 99.99999% used in crimes every day. Oh ya make sure the government sends some to foreign countries and tracks them!

 

[livingston]

Not only before you buy it but worse, before it's even sold.

Think about how much unsold stock sits on dealer shelves. How many small shops are going to go out of business if this is enacted? Which is, of course, the goal. If we cant fully ban guns, let's restrict sales to a handful of big chains who we can pressure to only sell pump action shotguns, bolt action rifles, and revolvers.

PS how, exactly, would this work for a stripped lower?

Even the backlog time wise to achieve this... Dealing with a government agency ....

 

[Blimey]

This is a great bill. I am sure that sending these guns away to a specific crime lab for each firing will not add any meaningful cost or timeline to the gun sale.

Of course no exception made for smooth bore in the text I see there, big surprise.

PS how, exactly, would this work for a stripped lower?

Easy. No more sale of non-functioning firearms.

 

[spat]

First, let’s start with Bill H.3782.

Section 122 of chapter 140 of the General Laws is hereby amended by adding the following paragraph:-

Every person licensed to sell, rent or lease firearms shall, for each firearm, contact the Massachusetts State Police Crime Laboratory Ballistics Section to test-fire the firearm, photograph the firearm and prepare ballistics reports based upon their examination to be submitted to along with the make, model, serial number, caliber, barrel length, and gun surface finish for the gun transaction to the Massachusetts Instant Record Check System and Firearm Records Bureau. After the gun information has been entered, every licensed person shall contact the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

That’s right. They want to take a picture and test fire every firearm before you get to buy it. There’s no indication here that this wouldn’t apply to a firearm you purchased elsewhere and have sent to your FFL in Massachusetts. In other words, the state is going to get to shoot your gun before you do, all so they can build a ballistic database.

This is all required to be done before the background check is completed.
MA. Bills Would Require Test Fires, Photographs And Annual 'Inspections'

Every place something like this has been tried it has proven to be useless and abandoned IIRC.

Didn't Canada and NY have something like this for a while ?

 

[prambo]

Every place something like this has been tried it has proven to be useless and abandoned IIRC.

Didn't Canada and NY have something like this for a while ?

NYS did have one...it was abandoned as you said by...

New York State Abandons Useless CoBIS Ballistics Database « Daily Bulletin

 

[MothMan]

So would the firearms be less expensive now that they are used and who would hold the warranty after the firearms have passed through the hands of multiple ballistic lab techs? Just curious.

 

[Tisto]

Yeah, the version we had in N.Y. called COBIS worked sooooo well that even Princess Andrew thought it was a financial boondoggle and had it cancelled. It cost something like 10 M a year ( I forget the actual amount, but it was staggering ) to keep up and running, and after several years failed to assist in solving even a single crime. It had a handful of 'hits' that turned out to be false possibilities. Not to mention, of course, that the picture of the primer taken when the gun is brand new and the picture taken after several thousand rounds have been fired will not match, and what if the firing pin is replaced or other gunsmithing is done ?

This scheme is NOT about solving crime. It never was anywhere else it was tried, either. It's all about making things so difficult for gun owners and gun sellers so that nobody wants to deal with the hastle. For those that do wish to put up with it, the cost will be enormous. One more targeted money grab for the State.

The system in Canada as I understand it was just a flat out licensing and registration. The citizens of Canada failed to register their long guns in such numbers that the deadline for registration was pushed back several times before the Parliament decided to scrap the idea. Handguns are very difficult to obtain in Canada, and there are total bans on certain calibers. Basically, most of what we would consider to be a "carry" gun is banned in Canada. Ironically, the criminals still get them up in the Great White North too. Go figure.

Long guns up there are a strange bird as well. Certain guns, like the AR and AK (and other similar) are legal to own, but may only be fired at an approved range. They have magazine restrictions as well. Of course, these laws all vary by Province, and cities and regions have their own restrictions to deal with as well.

 

[C3D]

The idea of a test fire/spent casing was so bad that even NY ditched it. In the history of the NY COBIS program, only 2 casing were ever matched using COBIS data. In one case, the gun had been stolen from the licensed owner and no arrest could be made. The other was for a misdemeanor of reckless discharge of a firearm within city limits and the statute of limitations passed before COBIS made the match.

Ironically it was the New York State Police that asked the Legislature to get rid of COBIS; in the view of the NYSP, the $35 million that COBIS was costing was much better spent elsewhere.

Maryland had similar experience but at least had one conviction before scrapping their program.

 

[livingston]

Think of all the guns that would be "lost" by government employees ....During the shipping process and later in "storage "......

 

[fresch]

Ever own a 1911 or a Dan Wesson or a Thompson Contender? That could be a shit load of barrels and caliber.

 

[repete]

That bill/law would piss off people that bought NIB "collector" type guns, who wants to lay out $2000 for an engraved 1911 that will never be fired only to find out it HAS been fired!

 

[E the massive]

Collecting evidence to be used against you in a court of law, before a crime has been committed or even reported? No thanks.

 

[fresch]

Before I write anything I have to send it to the first amendment police for review, get approval, pay a tax, then I can post; in case I decide to bully or say nonpc stuff. If it only saves one person from being offended it is all worth it! Maybe I could pay more, then it could be more better! Yes that's like 2x better.

 

[ProgSpear]

The good news about this kind of crap is that once the black market is the only source available, you’ll be able to buy anything you want, as long as you have the cash.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The good news about this kind of crap is that once the black market is the only source available, you’ll be able to buy anything you want, as long as you have the cash.

Not for nothing but the old school consverative position here is- that's true now.

 

[ProgSpear]

Not for nothing but the old school consverative position here is- that's true now.

Yeah, but once the concept of “against the law” is buried because EVERYTHING is against the law, then the dream of owning an AUG or a G3 becomes more attainable.

 

[Acer-m14]

Mass Testing Lab .. Please some Gun Manufacture/shop send a semi full on friday and tell them have to them done by monday ..

 

[STS556]

Won't a barrel and firing pin swap render this test fire useless? A different barrel and pin will leave different marks on the bullet and primer unless they plan to test fire every gun part available for sale.

 

[MadScientist]

Mass is fucked. The worst is the “approved” firearms list that is so graciously provided by the AGs office.

Compliance with that shit is very low, at least from anecdotal understanding. I wonder what compliance with this new law will be? Seems a bit more difficult to get around.

 

[Saltwater60]

How many of these guns will be lost in transport?

 

[Jmac00]

This is not a surprise. The cost of doing business in Massachusetts is ridiculous to begin with.

If you thought NY was bad? Massachusetts is worse. Give it give 5 years, they will abandon this BS due to cost

 

[Deplorable Me]

It has nothing to do with gun safety and is all about busting the balls of legal gun owners.