Need help with info on shotgun

[Acer-m14]

Double barrel.. 12ga..
Engraved on side is RICHARD
Not a Damascus barrel

 

[HIghlander]

Lot 183: W. Richards Company, London Double Barrel Shotgun, 16 gauge | Case Auctions

caseantiques.com

Gauge may be different than what I found and posted.

 

[Acer-m14]

me and the FFL girl here been searching all night .. haven't seen any photos with the same engraved stock , look's like a dragon or could be a dog laying down on it ..

another point is anything we see the engraving for the brand .. this gun has no W in front of a the RICHARD ..

the only thing this old gun needs is new firing pins and springs .. .. i have some old paper 12 ga hulls so could make some light loads for the old gun ..

 

[Acer-m14]

found this .. and if its a W.Richard gun .. from the serial num .. its from the mid 1800 .. no idea why the W is missing from the company name engraving on this one .. the puzzling part ..

guns serial num is 10742 ..

from this link if you scroll down to gun serial nums .. series 2 .. that's where this gun falls into ..

Westley Richards & Co Ltd, gunmakers, Birmingham: records

Shotguns

8799-10773

1857-65

i would like to get this old gun to shoot again for my FFL friend ..

but if this thing is from the mid 1800's ... black powder loads or was it shooting smokeless ?? im leaning on BP loaded shells some vids i have watched on hammer guns .. smokeless was in the 1900's from what gather .. i don't want to blow it up ..

@meketrefe @Robin

@HIghlander @Edwardteach72


any help

 

[Robin]

It is a little beyond my era of interest but I have seen many like it and most were from Belgium. I doubt it is English, look for proof marks on the barrels, they should tell a lot.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

under barrel proof marks .. will get a new photo this week end of them all under it

@meketrefe @Robin

@HIghlander @Edwardteach72

@PA Guns & Ammo another source of input .. got any firings pins and springs for this old thing

from photos i have seen with the engraving w.richard .. and this one is just marked richard ..

but under the barrels this mark is there from the w.richard guns .. and there are a bunch more marks also .,.

the ELG in the circle .. is on the barrels of this gun just marked richard ..

 

[byron]

 

[Robin]

I believe that ELG is Liege, Belgian proof mark.
Robin

 

[diggs223]

might be a trip to turnbull in bloomfield in your future. they could make the parts, specialize in old guns, won't be cheap

 

[byron]

looks like Damascus barrel to me. I believe it would black powder seeing as how they didn't start using smokeless shells till the 1880s

 

[Acer-m14]

@byron

thanks for that photo .. it does have the 18.0 for bore dia on it .. I'll be up at my friends house for dinner Friday she is gunna love that photo
the marking were driving her nuts trying to figure out what they mean ..

the photp of the ETG barrel was just a Google search photo found and posted .. i'm positive this gun is not Damascus

 

[Acer-m14]

might be a trip to turnbull in bloomfield in your future. they could make the parts, specialize in old guns, won't be cheap

been to shop before with a old friend of my dads , used to shoot skeet with him ..

I could make them .. just need to barrow a lathe LOL .. i grew up in machine shop thru highschool , boces , and NAVY .. just never bought my own for the home ..

 

[JohnD13]

If you need parts try E. J. Blackley, they specialize in English and European guns. Good people and a good line of products.

 

[Acer-m14]

@byron

Photos of the gun barrel and markings