Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Was that really necessary? I think we've been through this before.
NYSP Arrested A West Virginia Man For Possessing Two Handguns!
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Was that really necessary? I think we've been through this before.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Pro tip: Don't be someone that picks and chooses a side based on personal grudges. Why don't you put being a hypocrite aside and jump his shit for putting words in my mouth and insinuating that I don't approve of the second and forth amendments. God I hate hypocrites. Nothing in the world worse than that type of behavior. I am an asshole; but I don't try and hide it, don't lie about it, and don't play infantile word games to beat around the bush. And next time you do that; I will remind you that WE have been through this before.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Ignored. Have a nice day.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Ex-fucking-actly. The guy got EXACTLY what he deserved.
Here's where it gets to Washington vs Jefferson. Jefferson (and Hamilton) wanted the individual states to be able to make laws for their citizens. Washington wanted an extremely strong federal government and weak states that were fully beholden to the rules set by the fed. Might be fallout from Washington being a General with a strict chain of command, and Jefferson with zero military experience was thinking more about the desires of the individuals of specific geographies. His thinking was that laws for very metropolitan areas like NYC, Boston, and Philly might not meet the needs of rural farming communities in the middle of nowhere. For the most part I really prefer Jefferson's anti-Federalist views. At least in his world view; if you thought the laws of some state were too restrictive / not restrictive enough / generally didn't meet with your approval; you could pack up and move to a different state. Like Lincoln's father did. Tom Lincoln felt the Kentucky real estate laws were bullshit (land disputes robbed him of a few farms) so he sold everything he had and converted it to bottles of whiskey (which was actually an important form of currency back then) and moved to Indiana.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
"I am an asshole; but I don't try and hide it, don't lie about it, and don't play infantile word games to beat around the bush. And next time you do that; I will remind you that WE have been through this before."
Well, there's something to be respected about when a man that knows his anatomical place in the universe.
Robin
Well, there's something to be respected about when a man that knows his anatomical place in the universe.
Robin
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
However the First Ten Amendments are Hands Off for the states.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Exactly Robin. I hate douchebags where you don't have a clue where you stand when you deal with them. When you think someone is a wishy-washy two faced brown-nose I guess the best approach is call them on it rather than just ignore it. The best part of the thread though - for those that appreciate knowing how people really are - the best part is he had to write "I am ignoring you" in a thread. It's not enough to ignore someone. A true two year old actually has to make sure the world knows who he is ignoring because he requires sympathy from others to justify his decision. That childish tactic has been around since the days of Usenet; if you remember that world of the 80's and 90's. ROFLMAO.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Sort of, BG. The first 10 were there to remind people that they had certain rights by virtue of being free men in this country. That no state or federal law could rob you of those (because they were inalienable). It had ZERO to do with a state trumping the fed; but everything to do with what they felt were your "god given rights". Meaning you were born with those and NOBODY, not a state, not a fed, not a county, not a city - NOBODY could rob you of those. Beyond that though - we are really talking about the Federalists vs the anti-Federalists. Not that many folks living today read the anti-Federalist papers and the Federalist papers; but that's the heated topic back then. Or at least one of them.
How did you come to that conclusion???? This is exactly what the antis want us to believe, DO NOT buy into it!
They would have you thinking every time I come up there to visit Family that I have a trunk full of guns to sell. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't even bring in any guns that are "NY legal" (just saying that makes me sick!), that I would be legal to bring there to shoot with me. I'm talking single shot, or bolt action rifles. That state is ridiculous!
Not everyone from down south is buying guns, and running them up north. I'm willing to bet the number is next to nothing. Incidentally, why not go after the real problem.... the gang-bangers that are using these so called "illegal" guns??!!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Snappo, I want to ignore your ignorant comments but since you feel the need to defend yourself and quote me, I will respond.
First off, where do you get off calling me a hypocrite that picks and chooses based on personal grudges? I agree with those that disagree with you about states having the power to restrict someone's rights against the Constitution. I have also liked your posts in other threads on other subjects.
2nd. You misunderstood Robin's post. If you reread it again and understand what he is saying you will more than likely remove your like from his post.
3rd. You were warned once before not to post racial rhetoric. It is offensive to others and has no substance to the conversation at hand. There are black members of this forum you know. What if I told you I was black and didn't appreciate those posts? People like you that post this nonsense push others away that are gun owners and happen to be black from becoming active members on this site. Is that what you want? If so, I'm sure you are in the minority.
And 4th, being an asshole is nothing to be proud of.
First off, where do you get off calling me a hypocrite that picks and chooses based on personal grudges? I agree with those that disagree with you about states having the power to restrict someone's rights against the Constitution. I have also liked your posts in other threads on other subjects.
2nd. You misunderstood Robin's post. If you reread it again and understand what he is saying you will more than likely remove your like from his post.
3rd. You were warned once before not to post racial rhetoric. It is offensive to others and has no substance to the conversation at hand. There are black members of this forum you know. What if I told you I was black and didn't appreciate those posts? People like you that post this nonsense push others away that are gun owners and happen to be black from becoming active members on this site. Is that what you want? If so, I'm sure you are in the minority.
And 4th, being an asshole is nothing to be proud of.
It's a very common belief, you're definitely not the only one. I only know this because of my cousin and because we went through it with LEOSA. He keeps a pistol loaded with HP
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I actually asked you a question, and did not put words in your mouth.
And i do not have full faith in the people filling seats in our government even though i believe in our system of government.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
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ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Why?
Gunright
.45 acp
I am getting more and more tired of Gun owners in NY State basically implying "he got what he deserved" in terms of state and local gun laws. For this specific example, nothing has been stated or shown that the guy was gun running. If he was, then arrest him when he attempts to sell the handgun (which is a violation of a federal law whether we like it or not). Until then, suggesting that he is does not help our cause.
Why is it that this right (gun ownership) requires a specialized app and legal team to just drive across the frickin country or visit relatives?
It's a problem.
Why is it that this right (gun ownership) requires a specialized app and legal team to just drive across the frickin country or visit relatives?
It's a problem.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
So you lied about the ignore function? Going from hypocrisy to lying isn't a step forward.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
That is one of the reasons our state is such a mess.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Hell, the cops don't know all the firearms laws in this state. That's in no way a slam on law enforcement people, there are so many redundant, cross purpose, illogical gun laws in this state, even those that enact them don't know what they mean, they only know every law is one more increment towards the disarmament of everyone, and another hassle for those still hanging on to their God and their Gun!
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I never said I ignored you from the site itself. I just simply meant that your last post was ignored. I thought the discussion would end on that note but you felt the need to call me a hypocrite.
Let's just drop it. You have your ideology on what's not offensive and I have mine.
There's no need to continue.
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Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Guessing the comment is aimed at me.
That is my opinion my observation my feeling. I couldn't care less what other folks think. I never try to impose or force my opinion on others.
Therefore on that same note I will never let anyone force their opinions or believes on me either.
Do I think he was running guns? Absolutely I do and until proven with facts otherwise that is my opinion which I have a right to have and state.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Lived in New Jersey 17 years. My kids and ex-wife are still there in my house. And would you believe it I always thought HPs were illegal period. Again thank you. My son lives there and is looking to get his firearm license so I am trying to coach him.
Onegunnotenough
.40 S&W
only going to get worse when the bitch gets elected.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
@MoMan based on the article he was arrested for having multiple firearms. You are correct it doesn't state anymore than that but it also doesn't state any less than that. If he was driving through New York and he had his fire arms secured as the federal law stipulates and he was coming from and going to a state where he was legally allowed to own and have those fire arms then he had nothing to worry about.
Even if the LEO screwed up and didn't know the laws, I'm very sure that once he was in front of the judge the judge would've dismissed everything based on Fed law, but obviously that did not happen, he was remanded to jail. So the question is why was he remanded to jail?
Put aside for a minute what we feel and hope the laws should be. Rather look at what the laws are and that we have no choice but to follow them.
Gunright
.45 acp
I didn't direct the comment to anyone in particular. Otherwise, I would have quoted you. What I'm saying is that I see this attitude over and over from gun owners, especially in New York as their rights get taken away a little bit at at time. 'Feelings' are what drive the liberal mind. If you note in my post I never expressed an opinion on this case, because I have no idea of what really went down. Neither do you.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
I didn't mean to post anything full of doom and gloom
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
It's NYS. It's all doom and gloom haha
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
But I did choose to express my opinion. And it's exactly that an opinion that I expressed. Which I do have a right to do.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Snappo, Is it safe to say that you support the pistol permitting process in this state?
And do you view that as an infringement on the 2nd Amendment?
Do you believe that the 2nd Amendment is an unalienable right granted to each person by birth?
Do you think that the government has a right to force an assumed the Law Abiding Citizen ( assumed law-abiding because a non law-abiding person should not be walking the streets freely) to jump through the hoops and pay the exorbitant fees that are required to exercise this protected constitutional right?
And do you view that as an infringement on the 2nd Amendment?
Do you believe that the 2nd Amendment is an unalienable right granted to each person by birth?
Do you think that the government has a right to force an assumed the Law Abiding Citizen ( assumed law-abiding because a non law-abiding person should not be walking the streets freely) to jump through the hoops and pay the exorbitant fees that are required to exercise this protected constitutional right?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Who said you didn't have the right to express an opinion? You are free to judge without facts. That's what keeps forum threads like this going and there is nothing wrong with it. I think saying "we must follow the law" is pretty sad personally. If the founding fathers did that we would be drinking tea and colin kaepernick would be kneeling to god save the queen. Turning someone into a felon over something that is protected in the bill of rights and legal in the majority of states is shameful. It's unlikely a guy that can legally own guns in another state (aka not a felon) is going to be a gun runner with two guns. That's my opinion. Sadly I don't think either of us will hear details on this case. It will be a plea deal because the state does not want this going all the way.