FRANKIE
.308 Win
Jury in deliberations
@12 hrs : 45 min : 50 sec (currently)
@12 hrs : 45 min : 50 sec (currently)
So what’s your guess on the verdict on the MN v Potter case?
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MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Did Harry get in to trouble?
FRANKIE
.308 Win
I knew there was something about that kid.
But no. He said he didn’t inhale
But no. He said he didn’t inhale
Different Drummer
.44 mag
I will bite, simply because it amazes me that the Ashli Babbitt shooting was cast aside while
this incident was prosecuted.
No conviction.
this incident was prosecuted.
No conviction.
Not guilty or hung jury. No conviction.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Jesus ChristKim Potter trial: Minneapolis jury finds ex-police officer guilty in death of Daunte Wright | Fox News
Jury found Potter guilty on first and second degree manslaughter chargeswww.foxnews.com
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Guilty X 2
And the progressive liberals scream about " equity".
And the progressive liberals scream about " equity".
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
This verdict was
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
He'd still be alive today if he had made the right choice.
He chose.................poorly.
He chose.................poorly.
As much as I would have to see her get a not guilty verdict, she did kill an unarmed dude by "mistake".
This mistake should have never occurred. She has been on the job for decades. Gun and taser are located on different sides. Glock feels completely different than the Taser. She panicked, never should have happened.
On the flip side.
The kid is to blame even more. If he had not been such a piece of garbage, he would be alive. If he would have been driving a fully legal vehicle, he would be alive.
If he did not have outstanding warrants, you know, go to court when told, he would still be alive.
If he did not attempt to flee and nearly run over officers, he would still be alive.
This mistake should have never occurred. She has been on the job for decades. Gun and taser are located on different sides. Glock feels completely different than the Taser. She panicked, never should have happened.
On the flip side.
The kid is to blame even more. If he had not been such a piece of garbage, he would be alive. If he would have been driving a fully legal vehicle, he would be alive.
If he did not have outstanding warrants, you know, go to court when told, he would still be alive.
If he did not attempt to flee and nearly run over officers, he would still be alive.
Xae289
.223 Rem
If she had just shot the guy without yelling out, on camera, "TASER,TASER, TASER," and "I grabbed the wrong fucking gun", she would be walking free right now, likely without even being disciplined, since it wouldn't have been wrong.
Two thoughts:
1) What you say after a lethal encounter (and maybe even before it), can and will be used against you in the court of law. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Shut the fuck up. If you used your Second Amendment, use your Fifth Amendment. You don't know if you hung up on that 911 call. You don't know if a camera is running. Don't say you didn't mean to shoot the bad guy. Don't talk to anyone, including yourself. Don't say more than the absolute minimum to the police, even if you are the police. Hell, don't even say you shot him at all until you have a lawyer. You're probably jittery as hell with a flood of adrenaline. Your internal filter is probably broken (not that most people here seem to have one). Those eloquent words in your head might turn into a tossed word salad as they come vomiting out of your mouth.
2) Man, I'm glad I changed my mind about being a cop. That's gotta suck hard these days. Thanks for your service to all the good cops out there who walk the gauntlet between doing their job diligently, minding their Ps and Qs when dealing with scumbags, and refusing to be jack-booted enforcers of the state's illegal policies.
Two thoughts:
1) What you say after a lethal encounter (and maybe even before it), can and will be used against you in the court of law. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. Shut the fuck up. If you used your Second Amendment, use your Fifth Amendment. You don't know if you hung up on that 911 call. You don't know if a camera is running. Don't say you didn't mean to shoot the bad guy. Don't talk to anyone, including yourself. Don't say more than the absolute minimum to the police, even if you are the police. Hell, don't even say you shot him at all until you have a lawyer. You're probably jittery as hell with a flood of adrenaline. Your internal filter is probably broken (not that most people here seem to have one). Those eloquent words in your head might turn into a tossed word salad as they come vomiting out of your mouth.
2) Man, I'm glad I changed my mind about being a cop. That's gotta suck hard these days. Thanks for your service to all the good cops out there who walk the gauntlet between doing their job diligently, minding their Ps and Qs when dealing with scumbags, and refusing to be jack-booted enforcers of the state's illegal policies.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
She is guilty, She screwed up and should pay the price, but she does not deserve a severe sentence since it was not intentional.
What she did is the equivalent of malpractice. Dr screws up and leaves a scalpel in your belly after an appendectomy and it kills you, he deserves some consequences too.
I see this as roughly equivalent.
Interesting discussion on a YouTube lawyers group. The average layman thinks the cop should have been found guilty but the lawyers all disagreed. The legal definition for reckless (IIRC) means knowing and deliberate disregard for her action. Meaning she knew she pulled the wrong weapon but pulled the trigger anyway. If she made a mistake (which was her testimony) then it was by definition not deliberate. So either the jury disregarded the law or didn't believe she made a mistake.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Question,
would he be considered armed by using the car as a deadly weapon? And although it was a mistake, from what I read she would have been justified for using deadly force. Wouldn’t that carry some weight? The latter of your post couldn’t be more correct.
Possibly, maybe. I would imagine that her team thought of that. I think it was more that she ran her mouth so much after the shooting.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Silence is golden
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
and Alex Baldwin walks free, and is actually doing the talk show route, ummm, something ain't right here
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
this case is a mess ..
he was a piece of crap from even before this encounter ..
she made a mistake ..
so what happens now .. ban the glocks or ban the tasers from LEO ??
i say bann the fucking tasers ..
he was a piece of crap from even before this encounter ..
she made a mistake ..
so what happens now .. ban the glocks or ban the tasers from LEO ??
i say bann the fucking tasers ..
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
BreenaJohn | December 23, 2021 at 7:39 pm
legalinsurrection.com
After watching how the Chauvin trial went down, it’s no secret how Potter’s was going to end any different. I expect the absolute maximum from the State and the Court during sentencing. It’s going to be brutal for her. Holding these trials in the downtown militarized area of St. Paul will probably guarantee a guilty conviction for a Police Officer every time. Juror’s don’t want the BLM masses to show up; burn their homes and jeopardize their employment.
I really had a issue with Potters selection of attorneys however. Grandpa Earl Gray is way past due for retirement. I cringed when he referred to the Taser as the “Phaser Gun” and “Laser Weapon.” As an attorney, You have to be on top of this stuff. All the badly worded questions with grunts, groans and coughs drove me nuts. Paul Engh also came across as weird. Many times during cross he would ask odd questions that witness’s had a hard time understanding. Almost like he didn’t have a firm grasp of police procedures.
One thing that really surprised me was the absence of a defense video expert and a really good defensive tactics instructor. Somebody to break the video down from the first sign of resistance from Wright until the discharge of the Glock. The jurors could have then been walked through the Use of Force Continuum second by second. Showing them all the rungs or levels of resistance that Wright presented and all times where the levels of force changed within the 12 second event. This area was a missed opportunity. With 1 officer fully inside the car and another half inside and Potter fearing for “serious Bodily harm and/or death” of one of them. The deployment of the Taser could of been passed and she could have moved on to her firearm legally.
The defense was playing second fiddle to the State from the get go. The State got away with a lot during the first two days. All that repeating testimony over and over.
A few things to look at in the future: One the “Chauvin” officers has Earl Gray for an attorney, Watch and see if that changes after this case… Watch for traction in the Chauvin case on an appeal, It may be a sign of good things for Kim Potter.
Daunte Wright Shooting Trial – VERDICT: GUILTY 1ST AND 2ND DEGREE MANSLAUGHTER
Guilty on all Counts.
legalinsurrection.com
After watching how the Chauvin trial went down, it’s no secret how Potter’s was going to end any different. I expect the absolute maximum from the State and the Court during sentencing. It’s going to be brutal for her. Holding these trials in the downtown militarized area of St. Paul will probably guarantee a guilty conviction for a Police Officer every time. Juror’s don’t want the BLM masses to show up; burn their homes and jeopardize their employment.
I really had a issue with Potters selection of attorneys however. Grandpa Earl Gray is way past due for retirement. I cringed when he referred to the Taser as the “Phaser Gun” and “Laser Weapon.” As an attorney, You have to be on top of this stuff. All the badly worded questions with grunts, groans and coughs drove me nuts. Paul Engh also came across as weird. Many times during cross he would ask odd questions that witness’s had a hard time understanding. Almost like he didn’t have a firm grasp of police procedures.
One thing that really surprised me was the absence of a defense video expert and a really good defensive tactics instructor. Somebody to break the video down from the first sign of resistance from Wright until the discharge of the Glock. The jurors could have then been walked through the Use of Force Continuum second by second. Showing them all the rungs or levels of resistance that Wright presented and all times where the levels of force changed within the 12 second event. This area was a missed opportunity. With 1 officer fully inside the car and another half inside and Potter fearing for “serious Bodily harm and/or death” of one of them. The deployment of the Taser could of been passed and she could have moved on to her firearm legally.
The defense was playing second fiddle to the State from the get go. The State got away with a lot during the first two days. All that repeating testimony over and over.
A few things to look at in the future: One the “Chauvin” officers has Earl Gray for an attorney, Watch and see if that changes after this case… Watch for traction in the Chauvin case on an appeal, It may be a sign of good things for Kim Potter.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Seems like it was a hung Jury till that judge kept telling the jury to look harder. Then it all seemed to go downhill after the jury requested to see and handle both weapons. Wonder who’s idea that was.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
The punishment way does not fit the 'crime?', some punishment is warranted, this is crazy!
Robin
Robin
That's the guy I was referencing. I followed some of his video chats with other lawyers for this trial and the Rittenhouse trial. Very interesting and he does a good job of explaining the law in everyday language.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
as interesting comment I read was that due to loss of bodies on the force she was put into the field. after perhaps spending most of her career behind a desk...(Don't know if this is true...)
That certainly makes sense. Consensus is she probably didn't belong in that role and her actions support that consensus.
This is the future of urban police departments as the competent leave. Desk jockeys will be used to plug the holes in the patrol force. This will only increase the risk of future mistakes, leading to more accidents, deaths and riots.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
heres a very interesting point of view, from one of Americas leading law professors
www.newsmax.com
Alan Dershowitz: Kim Potter's Conviction Carries 'Dangerous Implications'
The conviction of former Minnesota police officer Kim Potter in the death of Daunte Wright was a "double injustice with dangerous implications for policing in America," especially considering the judge in the case denied her being released on bail, Harvard Law professor...
www.newsmax.com
So when a cop blows away someone in an "oopsie", we should say "meh, he was a bad dude, she made a mistake, she should be let off."
But when a homeowner blows away a cop that made an "oopsie" and entered the wrong house in a no knock "MURDER! LOCK HIM UP! HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IT WAS THE POLICE! WHEN THE COPS SHOW UP YOU SUBMIT!"
I wonder why there is such a poor view of cops in this country atm...
But when a homeowner blows away a cop that made an "oopsie" and entered the wrong house in a no knock "MURDER! LOCK HIM UP! HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IT WAS THE POLICE! WHEN THE COPS SHOW UP YOU SUBMIT!"
I wonder why there is such a poor view of cops in this country atm...
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
AND the cop that shot Ashely Bobbitt is running free, nothing to see here