Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

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maverick52 said:
The attorney representing Antonyuk was horrible. He’s the GOA attorney. Real embarrassment. He also did a shabby job in front of Suddaby if you recall. The one thing we have to remember is that oral arguments are only one aspect. There are a lot of briefs that have been filed. The panel must read through all of the briefs and through Bruen before rendering a decision. I still think that the court shows their cards. They are true blue liberals and I think they will side with the state. This will be a long slog and most of us won’t be living around here by the time it’s settled.
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I'd be overjoyed if the 2nd Circuit squashed the private property BS and let SCOTUS squash the rest....
 
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I didn't think the GOA lawyer was that bad. Definitely not as polished of a speaker as the others, but I thought he got his point across.
 
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maverick52 said:
The attorney representing Antonyuk was horrible. He’s the GOA attorney. Real embarrassment. He also did a shabby job in front of Suddaby if you recall. The one thing we have to remember is that oral arguments are only one aspect. There are a lot of briefs that have been filed. The panel must read through all of the briefs and through Bruen before rendering a decision. I still think that the court shows their cards. They are true blue liberals and I think they will side with the state. This will be a long slog and most of us won’t be living around here by the time it’s settled.
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Correct and I agree he did a terrible job. He spent so much time off track his point was never made. When asked what makes a sensitive location sensitive the guy sucked terribly. The statement should have been courts are sensitive because police control the entry and exit with screenings and metal detection. He stumbled horribly.
 
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Feel like giving a synopsis for those without a subscription?
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Yeah, can't read the article unless/until... bla bla bla...

What I think it means is this; Andy won't let Barney put a bullet in his gun. So Barney now needs to take it up with Aunt Bee. Aunt Bee might say it's ok for Barney to load a bullet into his gun. But then Andy probably won't allow Barney to have a bullet. So it seems to be going....
 
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camper4lyfe said:
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It basically briefly rehashes how Hardaway v. Nigrelli went in front of the 3 judge panel @ the 2nd Circuit; the case that deals with Arms in houses of worship. There's just about nothing new in the article beyond a little commentary on how the judges behaved and predictions of how its going to pan out:

The president of the New York County Lawyers’ Association, Vincent Chang, told the Sun that based on the oral arguments Monday, the Hardaway case will likely make its way to the Supreme Court by the end of the next term in 2024.

“I think the judges probably think this is going to the Supreme Court,” Mr. Chang said after listening to the oral arguments. The three judges “definitely want to get this right with respect to the historical antecedents of firearms regulation in houses of worship.”

The three judges on the panel — Dennis Jacobs, Gerard E. Lynch, and Eunice C. Lee — were appointed by Presidents George H.W. Bush, Obama, and Biden, respectively.

Judge Jacobs seemed especially enlivened by the case. Just minutes into the oral arguments, he told the lawyer who was defending the law that houses of worship and schools are two sides of the same coin — both important for civic life, one being religious and one being secular. Because banning firearms from schools is constitutional, then it could be logical that banning firearms from churches should be too, he told counsel.

The judge also showed little patience for the arguments of those seeking to challenge the law, often interrupting and asking pointed questions. The Second Amendment advocates engaged in a “selective reading of history,” Judge Jacobs said as one lawyer attempted to recount the history of 18th and 19th century firearms regulation...

....Last year, Judge Glenn Suddaby of the Western District of New York sided with Reverend Hardaway, ruling that the state could not prove the necessary historical tradition of regulating firearms in places such as churches or synagogues...

“Since the plain text of the Second Amendment presumptively protects Plaintiffs’ proposed course of conduct—carrying handguns for self-defense—the State bears the burden of ‘demonstrating’ that its modern enactments are ‘consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation,’” Reverend Hardaway’s lawyers wrote in their argument. “In order to do so, the State needs to come forward with evidence of historical laws that similarly burden the right to bear arms for similar reasons.”

Mr. Chang says Judge Suddaby’s decision could fall on deaf ears, though. “My prediction is that they’ll reverse the lower decision, based on what I’ve heard,” he said. He also predicted that the nine justices may have to find some stricter guidelines than the ones they set forth last year so that the Supreme Court won’t be hearing gun rights cases every few months.

“In Bruen, Kavanaugh was the swing vote, if there was one,” Mr. Chang said. “He constructed a narrower set of guidelines than the majority did. He’ll look very closely so that they can provide clear guidelines going forward.”
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Article is essentially pointless and comes across as filler clickbait as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Here is the article in question...
 

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camper4lyfe said:
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Nothing new other than they like many others are predicting this is all going to the Supreme Court and that the Second Circuit wont bend an inch. It appears the writer is familiar with the second circuit and feels they were hostile. Just a confirmation of what we all already know.
 
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kev74 said:
I didn't think the GOA lawyer was that bad. Definitely not as polished of a speaker as the others, but I thought he got his point across.
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I don't know, I thought he sounded like a babbling fool at times, getting WAY off topic. And a lot of searching for answers rather than having them at the ready. Like trying to do a book report in front of your English class and you only read the cliff notes on the bus ride in to school that morning. (Not that I have experience with that....)
 
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I know this was mentioned before. But can one of the mods change the title of this post? This is the CCIA lawsuits page. The TRO is long behind us. Any idea how to change it?
 
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I believe the hearings last week were to determine the status of the stays placed on the TROs.

Ridiculous as it is, the thread title is still applicable.
 
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kev74 said:
I believe the hearings last week were to determine the status of the stays placed on the TROs.

Ridiculous as it is, the thread title is still applicable.
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Actually the hearings were for the preliminary injunctions…not the TROs. TROs are temporary.
 
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They are silencing us by not allowing us to carry and it's all by design.

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Saltwater60 said:
They had enough time and they should have had a decision prior to their vacation. I know you’re not endorsing their move I’m just saying.
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that was sarcasm lol .. on the vacation ...

didn't they have to respond on March 30th .. from the March 20th .. crickets

i'm getting tired trying to follow this BS ..
 
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Acer-m14 said:
that was sarcasm lol .. on the vacation ...

didn't they have to respond on March 30th .. from the March 20th .. crickets

i'm getting tired trying to follow this BS ..
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I don’t think there was a date established as in March 30 th but I’m not sure. I didn’t hear of a hard date just that the SC said better make it quick and right or we will take it up. Well we’re getting orettt long and drawn out here so tick tock SC.
 
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I have plenty of experience with courts in NY taking their sweet ass time. My company was involved in a lawsuit back in 1995 that took 8 years before it finally ended. And I am currently in one that just hit the 8 year mark,- and is still not settled, and may take another year or two.

Justice delayed truly is justice denied.
 
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