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I already admitted Iraq (the second time) was an exception.
Neither Panama nor Grenada involved an occupation. If you don't take and occupy territory then it's not conquest.
Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Neither Panama nor Grenada involved an occupation. If you don't take and occupy territory then it's not conquest.
It's that "common history" that makes the ukrainians never want to be part of russia ever again. Remember the ukrainian famine (holodomor)?
That 'common history' is also why the baltic nations and the poles never want to be part of russia again.
I'm not saying we should be as involved as we are. But I understand why the ukrainians don't want to be part of russia.
Cherry picking a few events, taking them out of historical context and using them as propaganda tool to hate monger may work for a while. This is what U.S. does around the world. In the end such methods fail. You can't fabricate history by twisting cherry picked factoids.
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Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place
Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.
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So it's all a NATO conspiracy that most of the former Soviet republics either have, or want, to join NATO ?
How many are clamoring to be under Russian rule again ?
Why is it that Russia is so threatened by then joining NATO ? They act like their slaves are escaping LOL.
Fake news. Most of the 15 are happy staying out of NATO.
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The 14 Former Soviet and Soviet-aligned Republics That Joined NATO After the Cold War – 24/7 Wall St.
Ever since he became prime minister then president of Russia, Vladimir Putin has made no secret of restoring Russia to its superpower status. He has been bulking up the military and attempting to pull former Soviet republics back into the Russian orbit. But if the ex-KGB spook wants to return...
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And more that are *trying* to join now.
The 14 Former Soviet and Soviet-aligned Republics That Joined NATO After the Cold War – 24/7 Wall St.
Ever since he became prime minister then president of Russia, Vladimir Putin has made no secret of restoring Russia to its superpower status. He has been bulking up the military and attempting to pull former Soviet republics back into the Russian orbit. But if the ex-KGB spook wants to return...
And more that are *trying* to join now.
"Soviet-aligned Republics". Obviously written by ignorant imbocile.
You are the gift that keeps on giving. What "historical context" explains or justifies the deliberate starvation of millions of ukrainians?
Singling out Ukrainian famine, exaggerating numbers and spinning it as deliberate act takes it out of historical context. There were famines in other regions of Russia. Genocide accusations started many decades later as a political play on Ukraine.
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So the fact the bolsheviks engineered famines across russia lets them off the hook for their actions in ukraine?
The world doesn't revolve around American internal politics and two camps of idiots who base their world views on hollow ideological drivel and overinflated national pride. World history doesn't conform to any ideology. U.S. and its vassal countries are only a fraction of world's population. A fraction which is becoming less important with every passing decade.
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Feb 23, 2022 DailyWire.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky appeared to suggest late last week that his country could pursue nuclear weapons as a way to defend itself from Russian aggression as Russian President Vladimir Putin sends forces into separatist regions of Ukraine that he recognized as independent as of this week.
Putin responded to the suggestion that Ukraine could pursue nuclear weapons by saying that “this is not just bragging.”
“Ukraine has the nuclear technologies created back in the Soviet times and delivery vehicles for such weapons, including aircraft, as well as the Soviet-designed Tochka-U precision tactical missiles with a range of over 100 kilometers. But they can do more; it is only a matter of time. They have had the groundwork for this since the Soviet era,” Putin said. “In other words, acquiring tactical nuclear weapons will be much easier for Ukraine than for some other states I am not going to mention here, which are conducting such research, especially if Kiev receives foreign technological support. We cannot rule this out either.”
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky appeared to suggest late last week that his country could pursue nuclear weapons as a way to defend itself from Russian aggression as Russian President Vladimir Putin sends forces into separatist regions of Ukraine that he recognized as independent as of this week.
Putin responded to the suggestion that Ukraine could pursue nuclear weapons by saying that “this is not just bragging.”
“Ukraine has the nuclear technologies created back in the Soviet times and delivery vehicles for such weapons, including aircraft, as well as the Soviet-designed Tochka-U precision tactical missiles with a range of over 100 kilometers. But they can do more; it is only a matter of time. They have had the groundwork for this since the Soviet era,” Putin said. “In other words, acquiring tactical nuclear weapons will be much easier for Ukraine than for some other states I am not going to mention here, which are conducting such research, especially if Kiev receives foreign technological support. We cannot rule this out either.”
Lol. I'll take that as a yes to my question.
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LoL, of course Ukraine wants their nukes back.
Can you blame them ?
Giving up their nukes was obviously a terrible idea.
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No, Of course not. Russia would see that as a threat can you blame them?
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Obviously. What kind of shenanigans will happen if the US bans firearms? You know damm well it will be manatory this or manatory that.
I was reading about the different styles of communism. the Russian, the European, the Chinese and now the American style , with a different flavor.
Ill call it ""cheeseburger communism""
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Ukraine banned people from having guns ..
till this shit show happed ..
now everyone wants to send guns to the Ukraine people
i hope Ukraine will send guns to the people of USA if we need them when under attack ..
LMAO
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We have tried, for 17mo, to help Ukraine defeat Russia w military means. Those efforts have not yielded results. It is time to explore diplomatic options to end the war. As I explain to
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Why Ukraine's counter-offensive is failing
Diplomacy is more important than ever as Kyiv simply doesn't have the human resources or physical infrastructure to achieve its goals.
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Last March, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said that as a result of significant Western support, the Ukrainian military’s spring offensive had “a very good chance for success.” Former Chief of the British General Staff, General Richard Dannatt, went so far as to suggest that Ukraine’s offensive would be so successful that Putin “may be swept out of the Kremlin” as a result.
Combat reality, however, has now swept away those optimistic claims and exposed the harsh truth: Ukraine is unlikely to militarily evict Russia out of its territory, no matter how many men they feed into battle.
As unpalatable as it is for all supporters of Ukraine, the most prudent course for Zelensky may now be to seek a negotiated settlement that preserves as much freedom and territory as possible for Kyiv. Ending the war now would end the deaths and injuries for tens of thousands of Ukraine’s brave and heroic fighters — men and women whom Kyiv will need to rebuild their country once the war ends.
The same month that Austin was claiming Ukraine had “a very good chance” to defeat Russia in Kyiv’s spring offensive, I wrote that embracing the concept “that Russia is going to lose the war could leave the West to be caught off guard if the Ukrainian offensive fails to materially degrade Russian positions.” One month before the start of the offensive, I explained the very practical reasons why the Ukrainian attack would almost certainly fail to achieve even modest gains.
Starting on about June 5, the UAF launched a major attack in the Zaporizhia region, with the intent to break through the Russian security zone immediately opposite the line of contact, then penetrate the first belt of Russia’s main defensive line, capture Tokmak about 15 miles behind the lines, on the way to taking Melitopol on the Azov Sea coast, cutting the Russian forces in half. The Ukrainian command spearheaded the attack with two mechanized brigades — the 47th and 33rd Mechanized Brigades— that had received the most NATO training and NATO equipment, featuring German Leopard 2 tanks and American Bradley Fighting Vehicles.
These two brigades suffered crushing defeats right from the beginning, failing to advance more than a few kilometers, losing a large number of their modern armored vehicles in the first four days. In the first two weeks, Ukraine overall lost a staggering 20 percent of the Western armor it had amassed for the offensive and over 30 percent of its striking force. The reasons for the loss were wholly understandable given the conditions known to exist: Russia had spent over six months building elaborate and powerful defensive belts, had a significant advantage in air power, air defense, and artillery, and significant capacity in minefields, anti-tank guided missiles, rocket artillery, electronic warfare (to defeat Ukrainian drones and precision guided missiles), and attack drones.
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just ask Putin if he will stop .. if he get 95% of Joes 10 % ..
Even AOL news is raising questions about this proxy war.
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Ukraine counteroffensive exposes a sobering reality
Ukraine's counteroffensive was intended to win back territory taken by Russia, but the pace of progress has been slow thus far.
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All sorts of rumours are recently making their way through the interwbez of a very likely increase in tensions and possible direct NATO/Russia interactions in the new future.
Most revolve around NATO actively escorting grain ships in the black sea but there are some others as well. Poland, Belarus, Wagner, Lithuania etc...
Most revolve around NATO actively escorting grain ships in the black sea but there are some others as well. Poland, Belarus, Wagner, Lithuania etc...
All sorts of rumours are recently making their way through the interwbez of a very likely increase in tensions and possible direct NATO/Russia interactions in the new future.
Most revolve around NATO actively escorting grain ships in the black sea but there are some others as well. Poland, Belarus, Wagner, Lithuania etc...
That's if Ukraine will still have port facilities to receive those ships (escorted or unescorted).
Not sure if that matters at this point.
Was it ever legitimate? Who really knows.
In other news.... Ukraine can no Longer export 30% of the worlds wheat and India stopped exporting rice.
Nothing to see here... Move along... No reason to worry or be concerned
Definitely feel we are about to see another increase in intensity and danger. Ww3 is right on schedule.