STS556
.223 Rem
I got my 16" barrel from Bullet Guy last year. No threads on the end. He may still sell them.
Where do you get your NY compliant ar barrels?
- Thread starter Blimey
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ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
Cause if you hold the bolt release down with your off-hand thumb, it becomes semi-auto - at least that's what a DA, judge or jury in NY is gonna say.
Even if you hold it down it's still not semiauto by definition. A semiauto extract and loads itself after the press of the trigger without the shooters involvement. A "Manual Loading" firearm by definition is when the shooter after firing a shot must do something or operate something on the firearm to load the next round into the chamber. In this case, the shooter is either pressing the bolt catch each and every time or holding it down. Either way the shooter is doing something to load the next round. The shooter is not just pressing the trigger as it is on a semiauto. If you fired a semiauto with one hand only, you can fire as many rounds as what is in the magazine just by pressing the trigger. You cannot do that with an AR that has a Modified Bolt Catch. You will only be able to fire one round if all you do is press the trigger.
Manual Loading Firearm Definition
Manual Loading Firearm Definition
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
Oh, I get it - I just don't think you'll fair well if the just-us system in NY decides to swoop you up.
Some people have the same view of the AR-MagLock but I feel comfortable with it. To each his own.
Some people have the same view of the AR-MagLock but I feel comfortable with it. To each his own.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So stag arms has 20% off non-sale items through July 4, which means that 16" crowned barrel can be had for $75.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Article 26.00.21. "Semiautomatic" means any repeating rifle, shotgun or pistol, regardless of barrel or overall length, which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge or shell to extract the fired cartridge case or spent shell and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge or shell.
A portion of the energy of the cartridge is used to extract the cartridge. Check.
A portion of the energy of the cartridge is used to chamber the next round. Check.
You didn't manually pull back the slide or bolt to chamber the next round. The previous round did. It was just temporarily halted by a catch. If the previous round didn't pull back the slide or bolt, hitting the release a hundred times wouldn't chamber the next round. You would have to manually extract and chamber the next round.
If you didn't modify the bolt catch and modified your magazines to only accept one round, would the firearm now NOT be a semi automatic because the magazine temporarily halted the bolt from going forward? The answer to that would be no.
To be a Manual Loading firearm, the shooter has to do some type of manual operation to load the next round into the chamber no matter what it is. If the shooter only has to pull the trigger to shoot each shot and the firearm automatically unloads and reloads itself without the shooter having to conduct any other operation, it is a Semiauto.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's not what the law says.
Semiauto mean autoloding or self Loading. I not following you. Kindly explain
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You said manual loading requires X. The law doesn't mention manual loading at all so that cannot be referenced. It only mentions semi auto.
You also mentioned, "without the shooter having to conduct any other operation, it is a Semiauto.". That isn't mentioned anywhere as well.
We can only go by what the law says.
You are correct the law does not mention Manual Loading. However, when explaining semiauto you need to explain what is a "manually loaded" firearm. In addition, how else does the firearm unload and load itself if it did not use the energy of the cartridge.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You can only explain semi auto by what's written in the actual law. I don't understand your next question.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
There is no definition of flash hider either, wanna bet some overzealous DA can't convince a jury that a flash can is a flash hider ?
Not worth the risk to me.
I'm sure it's possible. That does not say much about the defense attorney or the expert the defense attorney may or may not have retained to support their position. I agree some people are more conservative than others and that is their choice. Any law when litigated can have different outcome due to the fact that common people (jury) are making decisions based on what is presented to them and how good the presentation is. I have seen cases go the opposite way even though all the evidence points one way. That is just how it goes sometimes. But if you have a valid position supported with valid argument and evidence. You would think the odds are in your favor.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A flash can doesn't suppress flash. It redirects it. The same amount of flash is still there.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, technically so does a flash hider, always the same powder burning.
But the question is how much money will it take your lawyer to convince a jury you're right ?
I just don't see enough utility from the device to be worth the risk, you may feel differently.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The prosecutor need do no such thing. He only needs to show that the energy to reload the gun came from the last fired round.
As I pointed out earlier, you could build an electrically operated autoloader that wouldn't qualify legally as a semi for instance, but would legally be considered the same as a manually operated firearm despite the obvious difference.
Anyone want a semi-auto minigun ?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
No. They have no way to access the info.
The paperwork does not say i have to carry it. It does not say i have to show it on demand. Nothing.
It is their responsibility to figure it out.
I wont produce my registration paperwork....ever. It is not required by law! Another dumbass oversight by the midnight drunk policy makers.
FUAC
spat
.700 Nitro Express
By the time you're paying for a defense attorney and an expert witness you've already paid more money than a flash hider is worth to me.
So, go ahead and win that case, I'll be rooting for you. Hell, I'd even kick in a few bucks to help, because FUAC. I just don't think it's worth the risk of 10s of thousands of dollars in legal fees to me personally.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What about your unmodified bullet button?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
More valuable than a flash hider by a long shot.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Are you saying you put a bullet button on a featureless rifle? If not, then what the hell are you talking about?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I'm saying the risk vs reward for a bullet button is a better bet than the risk vs reward for a flash can.
The ability to remove a magazine is far more valuable than the reduction in flash. I have never said what route *I* took with any of my rifles, I will say that I didn't take the same route with all of them, as the utility and complexity of the various methods vary from rifle to rifle.
I *could* see someone adding a BB to a "featureless" rifle as a belt and suspenders sort of CYA. Especially if they were "pushing" the featureless thing.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, a revolver is semi auto ?
Look, you are welcome to whatever definitions you want, but I can promise you that in a NY court, the only one that matters doesn't care if you have to dance a jig and sacrifice 2 chickens to load the next round, as long as the energy all came from the last one.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But wouldn't that be that the same if someone likes a flashcan on a featureless so that they can direct the blast away from them? You can still reload normally.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The question is "is it featureless ?" If it's got a flashcan.
"Featureless" with a flashcan and featured with a BB are the same gamble: Am I going to run into an overzealous LEO or DA who wants to stretch the definition of flash hider, or detachable magazine ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A flash can is not a flash suppressor no matter what you say. It isn't designed as one, doesn't look like one, or even perform the same function.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
And I'm sure with enough money your lawyer can convince the jury of that too.
I'd rather spend it on ammo.