NON DESCRIPTIVE THREAD (edited thread titles or deletes based on titles)

1075tech · Mar 13, 2021

Yep. Censors got to my thread about Beijing Xiden's "speech" too. Changed the title. I changed it back. Probably get banned soon

S&W Fan · Mar 13, 2021

Mr. terzmo said:
WTF is that? I've had two threads dumped by administrators and don't understand their reasoning....latest being...." Your thread Another promise....then a disappearing act ? was deleted. Reason: rule 7: non-descriptive title. Also , what's with the multiple tables inside tables ? "

I don't know what is meant by "multiple tables" as I only posted the original thread. I "assumed" this site allowed Freedom of Speech. I had no vulgarity. This type action is the same thing most complain about big tech censoring the right o facebook and twitter.

Damn I was just looking for the “ disappearing act” thread too. Why would it get deleted? If anything it could have been merged with the other Destefenik thread , as it was relevant enough.

HEX · Mar 13, 2021

It literally says rule 7 in the reason you posted. Maybe try reading Rule 7. It's just not that complicated.

EDIT: and has absolutely nothing to do with censorship and that's a very weird and problematically frustrating assumption to make and post about without actually reading it

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7. Make sure to post in the proper forum with a proper descriptive title. This keeps everything organized neatly and saves the moderators time. If your thread is not posted in the proper section, or does not have a descriptive title, it may be renamed or deleted. A title like "You've gotta see this !" is an example of a non-descriptive title.

dsdmmat · Mar 13, 2021

Non descriptive title means from looking at the title you cannot tell what the thread is about.
Non descriptive titles cause more duplicate threads than anything else on this board.

And yes changing the titles back after the thread has been moderated is a good way to get banned.

HEX · Mar 13, 2021

If you want a super specific answer, the original title of the thread you're referring to was "Another promise....then a disappearing act ?"
Means nothing, could be absolutely anything, gives people no idea what the thread is actually about. Thusly.. non-descriptive.

Though we always prefer a reasonably descriptive title to content, this is more important certainly in the politics and news sections. We tend to not be AS direct with it when it's entirely a personal story in off topic or the like.

dsdmmat said:
And yes changing the titles back after the thread has been moderated is a good way to get banned.

Actually, just to clarify that a little. We don't care at all if someone wants to change the title after it's been edited, so long as the new title still has reasonably descriptive accuracy to what the thread is about. Changing it back to a bad title, yeah, that would be generally annoying. I'm not sure that I can remember anyone ever actually doing that though.

Especially if the thread is based on an article or something, we generally just change the title to whatever the article title is (or delete it, as clearly explained in the rules). Whether I personally re-title or delete a thread on such grounds usually depends on if it has a bunch of replies already. I don't really prefer to interrupt a going conversation, so I'll be nice and put in the extra steps to correct someone's mistake so that I don't have to.

spat · Mar 13, 2021

The thread title is supposed to be a description, not a tag line.

It's purpose is to let people know what's in the thread. A lot of them read like a clickbait newspaper headline, or a book title that's trying to get people to read it.

If you can't tell what the subject of the discussion is going to be (or at least what it starts as, this is NYGF after all). then the title isn't fit for purpose, no matter how cool it sounds.

So, a title like "FUAC's latest caper" doesn't help people know what's going to be in there. "FUAC kills thousands of elderly" would be better. "FUAC convicted for nursing home deaths" would be the best

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HEX · Mar 13, 2021

Mr. terzmo said:
I don't know what is meant by "multiple tables" as I only posted the original thread. I "assumed" this site allowed Freedom of Speech. I had no vulgarity. This type action is the same thing most complain about big tech censoring the right o facebook and twitter.

Oh, as far as this bit. That secondary comment had nothing to with rules, it was kind of just a genuine, "what the heck ?"

This is what your post actually looked like (and clearly I'm only getting it partially on screen). It was a huge mess of html table code that caused the post to appear as like it was within many windows inside itself. I had to zoom way out to even get the second screenshot to where it started showing the content.

HEX · Mar 13, 2021

Mr. terzmo said:
You combined two threads into one. My original was not connected to the second. I don't know where all the crap you added came from. Mine was a simple post

Er.. nope. I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding a second thread, but I can still see and access the deleted one of course.. which is how I got the screenshots. My (edumacated) guess would be that you copy/pasted it all from the source in a manner that included the html code.

To clarify that, the second screenshot is how it actually appeared to the forum. The first screenshot is with code toggled (the gear icon) so code is shown and you can see why it looked like that.

You can use that code toggle in any post/edit textbox to show the code rather than coded appearance. For example if you had the word WORD in bold and toggled the code you'd see it in the edit window (stripped of any..eh.. enhancements, like color, underline, etc and so on) as

Code:

[b]WORD[/b]

, as that is the actual BBcode added to make a word bold.

HEX · Mar 13, 2021

Mr. terzmo said:
There was nothing wrong or offensive in the contents of the title or post contents. This censor was solely based on the opinion and control of the administrator/administrators. As like facebook and twitter. Hard core left

Ok, now you're seriously just going full ret.. er.. well.

It's been clearly explained to you by three people (and @spat isn't even staff) exactly why this is done (at minimum once per day), and calling it any kind of censorship is obviously a ridiculous stretch to end all stretches. Did you even read any of the responses ? If so, how the hell does, "There was nothing wrong or offensive in the contents of the title or post contents.", have to do with anything ? This has been done since day one and nothing's changed, because if it weren't the forum would be a senseless mess of thread titles with no context and duplicates. This is a point you simply can't defend, and if you weren't obviously being tragically obtuse and purposefully argumentative you wouldn't be trying.. because it's frickin' downright silly.

It is OK to be wrong sometimes you know; it happens to all of us now and then. The reasonable thing to do in such a situation is say "oops, sorry, my bad" and move on; not to double down on it with nonsense.

You posed your question, and with entirely unjustified insults; which you would have known were inappropriate had you done the most basic look up of information you already had. Instead of any bad reaction from staff, you got perfectly reasonable answers and explanation. The unfounded insults to staff will not go on forever though. I'm getting pretty tired in general of the constant disrespect, bullshit assumptions and accusations from people lacking information, and lack of appreciation around here to those providing and maintaining this place.

FRB · Mar 13, 2021

Mr. terzmo said:
There was nothing wrong or offensive in the contents of the title or post contents. This censor was solely based on the opinion and control of the administrator/administrators. As like facebook and twitter. Hard core left

Based on what is posted here often I would have to disagree, they champion conservative views here, that said though all views are welcome too. To say this place is hard core left is not even close to being accurate.

I have had things removed myself, a few times my pride got in the way and I took a burn, but then reality hit me and I realized I could have done better.

HEX I do appreciate the efforts, as a veteran of forums in all aspects, owning one, running one, and admining many, I know how hard it is to please all. Your team does a great job.

On a side note, love this forum software and the dark theme is one of the best looking I have ever used.

Darth · Mar 13, 2021

"Please title your threads something useful that people can quickly understand."

OH I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

:ROFL:

FRB · Mar 13, 2021

On another side note: I just appreciate there is a forum, seems Facebook groups has taken over. In the fireworks world we had a great Forum called PyroUniverse. It died a slow death even though it was super popular and generated plenty of funds to keep it running. The owner went awol and all efforts to try to buy him went unanswered. Sadly Facebook groups took over - yeah one I even started, it is super popular with almost 9k users, but is it not the same as a forum.

So thank you for this forum and community, still the best way to learn a craft there is: from the community who has the experience.. Wishing there was more gun talk here but that is the way life is now, we need to hide much from bad eyes I guess.

kev74 · Mar 13, 2021

Darth said:
"Please title your threads something useful that people can quickly understand."

OH I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!

Literally Hitler!!11!11!! :ROFL:

For what its worth, I've had a few thread titles changed. Not a biggie.

dwa12479 · Mar 13, 2021

How about we let the left eat their own and we stay together. Altering a thread title to be more descriptive is not censorship. Appreciate the efforts of @HEX , @dsdmmat, and @NYGuns to keep this place running.

Carlos Hathcock · Mar 13, 2021

"I picked myself up a hemroid"

This one was exactly as advertised.....much to my dismay.

phatfarmerbob · Apr 1, 2021

My “ Biden found unresponsive” thread got deleted. It’s April fools till midnight, I posted it late cause that’s when everyone lets their guard down.. it wouldn’t be believable if it was in the clubhouse... wish y’all had left it till midnight.. anywho first time I disagree with admin after what 6 years ? Keep up the good work guys

HEX · Apr 2, 2021

phatfarmerbob said:
My “ Biden found unresponsive” thread got deleted. It’s April fools till midnight, I posted it late cause that’s when everyone lets their guard down.. it wouldn’t be believable if it was in the clubhouse... wish y’all had left it till midnight.. anywho first time I disagree with admin after what 6 years ? Keep up the good work guys

That was an odd one. Didn't really quite register as a joke/fools/whatever.

Don't take it personally my friend, buuuuuut.. when you have members of NYGF responding to something like that with, "If it’s an April Fools joke, it’s in poor taste." .. man, you know it's just a big misfire..

meketrefe · Apr 2, 2021

HEX said:
That was an odd one. Didn't really quite register as a joke/fools/whatever.

Don't take it personally my friend, buuuuuut.. when you have members of NYGF responding to something like that with, "If it’s an April Fools joke, it’s in poor taste." .. man, you know it's just a big misfire..

I thought about ome called "the 300 blackout is the greatest caliber ever" amd include videos and ballistics tests but then I realized a lot of people would actually believe it to be true. ...
Maybe the whole concept of rebranding the whisper started as a prank gone bad?

Acer-m14 · Apr 2, 2021

i learned how wake HEX up fast .. follow rules and post title in Chinese LOL .. were under attack from a Chinese cooking video lol

pshift · Apr 2, 2021

As a former admin and moderator on 2 other boards (waaaaaay back when the internet was young), it's a fools errand to argue with the admin or moderator of any forum.

Bigfoot · Apr 3, 2021

On another gun forum that I spend time on. Non descript thread titles are the norm and it
gets to be a bite in the ass after a while. That's one of the reasons I spend more time here.

I'm glad that the site staff keeps on top of it.

CaseHardened · May 6, 2021

Ok, I want to begin a Thread concerning GOOGLE DRIVE.

I'm thinking THE CLUBHOUSE - OFF TOPIC

Title: Google Drive Sucks !!

WIll this be a problem ?

HEX · May 6, 2021

CaseHardened said:
Ok, I want to begin a Thread concerning GOOGLE DRIVE.
I'm thinking THE CLUBHOUSE - OFF TOPIC
Title: Google Drive Sucks !!
WIll this be a problem ?

Huh ? Honestly I'm confused why this would even be in question. Is the thread going to be about Google drive being bad for some reason ? If so, then that is relatively descriptive. I suppose it could always be more descriptive if the issue is some more specific aspect of the thing. More descriptive is generally better, but certainly not always required or even applicable.
If instead you titled it simply "Google", that would be non-descriptive. (Though still more descriptive than a lot of them we get around here)

Is this really all that complicated to anyone ? I truly don't get how it could be.

My favorite/most hated non-descriptive title is any variant of "And so it begins !!!!" . 'IT' must have 'BEGUN' at least 30+ times in the last few years. Always of course with an excess of exclamation marks

“Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.”
-Terry Pratchett, Eric

"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind."
-Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man

"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
-Terry Pratchett, Maskerade

CaseHardened · May 6, 2021

HEX said:
Huh ? Honestly I'm confused why this would even be in question. Is the thread going to be about Google drive being bad for some reason ? If so, then that is relatively descriptive. I suppose it could always be more descriptive if the issue is some more specific aspect of the thing. More descriptive is generally better, but certainly not always required or even applicable.
If instead you titled it simply "Google", that would be non-descriptive. (Though still more descriptive than a lot of them we get around here)

Is this really all that complicated to anyone ? I truly don't get how it could be.

My favorite/most hated non-descriptive title is any variant of "And so it begins !!!!" . 'IT' must have 'BEGUN' at least 30+ times in the last few years. Always of course with an excess of exclamation marks

“Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.”
-Terry Pratchett, Eric

"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind."
-Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man

"And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head."
-Terry Pratchett, Maskerade

Thanks,

I had a Thread nuked a day or two ago.

So I've become shy.

Edwardteach72 · Jun 26, 2021

HEX said:
Is this really all that complicated to anyone ? I truly don't get how it could be.

Do you really want an answer to that

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