This has gone way too far, not that it matters that a single one of them probably never took a class on self-defense.
LGBTQ Groups Push for Voting Rights, Gun Control on MLK Day
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This has gone way too far, not that it matters that a single one of them probably never took a class on self-defense.
Deplorable Me
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WillyK
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Name one person who's vote has been suppressed.
gingerbread_mag
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Disclosure: didn't read the article. Don't really need to. All pro-gun control news reads the same.
That said, it makes sense why the gay trans communities would be for more gun control so I don't really blame them for their feelings. They're an historically disenfranchised and targeted demographic, and bad people use guns to oppress other people. When you're historically oppressed in a country where many of your attackers and political opponents are in pro-gun regions, it makes a certain degree of sense that you'd want to disarm them.
Especially these days. I can't imagine what it would be like to be gay or trans in a Republican county, going to your local polling place and realizing you're in line with dozens of people who will vote against your interests. And knowing they are most likely armed. It has to be nerve wracking.
I know, I know. The counter argument is that they could procure and train on those same guns to better defend themselves. But these are people who are massed in densely populated cities, famous for gun-free zone policies. They've grown up being bullied and belittled while being taught that guns are bad and only bad people have guns. I'm not saying it's right, just that I understand their POV. Guns are inextricably tied to Republicans, and Republicans are inextricably tied to anti-LGBTQ positions. Fair or not to any of you, as an individual, that's the reality.
There will never be a middle ground on this issue until we've decreased gun violence across the board; even then, I'm assuming many would continue to push until guns are effectively off-limits for the majority of Americans.
That said, it makes sense why the gay trans communities would be for more gun control so I don't really blame them for their feelings. They're an historically disenfranchised and targeted demographic, and bad people use guns to oppress other people. When you're historically oppressed in a country where many of your attackers and political opponents are in pro-gun regions, it makes a certain degree of sense that you'd want to disarm them.
Especially these days. I can't imagine what it would be like to be gay or trans in a Republican county, going to your local polling place and realizing you're in line with dozens of people who will vote against your interests. And knowing they are most likely armed. It has to be nerve wracking.
I know, I know. The counter argument is that they could procure and train on those same guns to better defend themselves. But these are people who are massed in densely populated cities, famous for gun-free zone policies. They've grown up being bullied and belittled while being taught that guns are bad and only bad people have guns. I'm not saying it's right, just that I understand their POV. Guns are inextricably tied to Republicans, and Republicans are inextricably tied to anti-LGBTQ positions. Fair or not to any of you, as an individual, that's the reality.
There will never be a middle ground on this issue until we've decreased gun violence across the board; even then, I'm assuming many would continue to push until guns are effectively off-limits for the majority of Americans.
Jmac00
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its always one group or another that is the proverbial victim.
Im tired of all these people thinking they need or demand special rights/privileges, stop throwing your perversion in my face. Live your life however you want, just stop acting like you're special, fuck you and the unicorn you fucked in the butt. Leave the rest of us along
Im tired of all these people thinking they need or demand special rights/privileges, stop throwing your perversion in my face. Live your life however you want, just stop acting like you're special, fuck you and the unicorn you fucked in the butt. Leave the rest of us along
holdover
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WHich laws dont allow them to vote?
That's not how America works though. Everyone has free speech. They get to have their gay parade, you get to have your Trump flags and Maga hats. I'm sure both sides would like the other to stop, but that's not how it works.
holdover
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WOW! You sound like the biggest victim since Jesus Christ. Historicly targeted and Oppressed? What laws have been oppressing LQBTQTRXFFF?
Please state what forms of oppression have been placed upon you by the constitution?
Catskillkid
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I guess they never heard of the Pink Pistols. Maybe they should join and learn a thing or two.
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gingerbread_mag
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First of all, I'm not a part of the LGBTQ community, and I doubt they'd count me as an "ally." That doesn't stop me from understanding our country's history of oppression of many demographics, whether by race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, political affiliation, and on and on.
You want a form of oppression placed upon gay and trans people? Talk about low hanging fruit. They've been murdered for just being gay or trans. And murdered badly. As in hog-tied and dragged behind a truck. As in forced castration, physically and chemically. As in they're told they're fine to have their "perversions," so long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else, and then legislated against so they can't marry, adopt children, or even donate blood for Christ's sake.
That's called persecution. If you're in denial of that there's no hope for you ever having a reasonable discussion on this topic.
holdover
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Ok fair enough, the complaint is the history of oppression of LGBTQ.
Now for starters , please name any law s That that have Oppressed the LGBTQ people. Cite laws , exsamples ,
holdover
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OHHHHHHH SO Your not trying to say the law is oppressive, when you say the law is oppressive right?
Now its a criminal element Oppressing them? Because this is obviously not legal , and unconstitutional .
BUt just for shits and giggles . every single group of person in this country has been murdered for being themselves. these freaks are not any different
I understand their second POV, and that's the one they should be backing. And the one I do.
Being as *ahem* "Sexually non Christian" as I, I know some do not approve of my deviant lifestyle. And I couldn't care less. Not asking anybody to. Just leave me be.
Don't want to win the respect and admiration of others when I literally go around with a "Bitch" collar locked around my neck.
And I've yet to be bothered, nor do I fear that. Because I know not all are friendly to the cause, I have the means to assist me in getting back to what I was doing prior to the unfriendly interaction. Being left be.
holdover
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People have been murdered for being white or black. Not so sure what"" murdered badly"" is as opposed to a decent murder?
No sir none of what you said is persecution in any way. The courts allow freaks to marry and adopt kids . I dont know what your saying. where is this gay persecution thing?
Marriage laws, tax laws, military recruitment laws, adoption laws, healthcare laws, estate laws...
holdover
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OK so those werent addressed and fixed?
No.
holdover
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OK , so which laws specifically are being used to oppress lqgbt?
holdover
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There such a long list of oppressions that no one can post any?
Steal2B
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I think the irony would be lost on these folks that MLK would support the 2nd amendment, was a Constitutionalist who would oppose the voter fraud they are pushing, and may even have religious issues with much of their platform or lifestyle.
I still do not see which parts of the Constitution are being violated in regards to these people.
holdover
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And then you run away , Like you won the argument .
Please , which laws specifically are being used to oppress these poor mentally Ill people?
Gays are GTG in the military , I know they can marry and they can adopt. Not sure about tax laws or why it cost you more because of your mental illness.
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gingerbread_mag
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I'm sorry mate, I don't have the energy to pour into responding to every single one of your inane replies.
What makes me chuckle is I'm in here saying these are people who have been oppressed by our country, and you're only retort is "yeah, but they're being oppressed illegally." If that's where you want to move the goalposts, that's some downright scummy qualifying of others' suffering.
I never relegated their oppression to state-sponsored acts. Private party or government-backed, oppression is oppression. The difference between when my Italian ancestors were being lynched and LGBTQs is, these days, no one gives a shit if I'm Italian. Gays and Transgenders are still attacked. Violently. And, yes, legally.
If you want a couple specific laws and examples, happy to help:
Sodomy laws in the United States - Wikipedia
Sodomy laws, which you'll dismiss out of hand because "reasons," specifically target "gay" sex acts and have been used for generations by police to harass homosexuals. Even after they were declared unconstitutional in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) they've still been kept on the books as laws in many states and are still used by police to justify harassing homosexuals.
Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia
DOMA. As recently as 2006, Congress was trying to remove gay couples' protections to marry like the rest of us do. It took until 2013 for the SC to find it unconstitutional, and in the interim States were allowed to discriminate against gay couples legally.
There are a bunch more.
And you're likely going to hit me with "they were found to be unconstitutional." Good point. However, let's ask why it is we have to fight these laws in the first place? And maybe, just maybe, it's because folks like yourself call them freaks and perverted and vote in politicians who then push these blatantly discriminatory and unconstitutional laws and attack protections for LGBTQs.
I'm putting this thread on ignore after this. If you want to have a chat about this further you are free to reach out. I'm not interested in entertaining this particular line of conversation any longer.
holdover
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Through the 20th century, the gradual liberalization of American sexuality led to the elimination of sodomy laws in most states. During this time, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of sodomy laws in Bowers v. Hardwick in 1986. However, in 2003, the Supreme Court reversed the decision with Lawrence v. Texas, invalidating sodomy laws in the remaining 14 states (Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri (statewide), North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia).
Sodomy laws are gone , just like your arguments.
DOMA. As recently as 2006, Congress was trying to remove gay couples' protections to marry like the rest of us do. It took until 2013 for the SC to find it unconstitutional, and in the interim States were allowed to discriminate against gay couples legally.
The problem was the legal definition of what marriage is . It had to be hashed out in the courts
Sodomy laws are gone , just like your arguments.
DOMA. As recently as 2006, Congress was trying to remove gay couples' protections to marry like the rest of us do. It took until 2013 for the SC to find it unconstitutional, and in the interim States were allowed to discriminate against gay couples legally.
The problem was the legal definition of what marriage is . It had to be hashed out in the courts
I do not care either way if people are oppressed or not, as long as I am not affected.
The Thread title was :
Some have decided to turn this thread into "Everything" that is not fair to small groups of people.
No one is having their voting rights curtailed.
The Thread title was :
LGBTQ Groups Push for Voting Rights, Gun Control on MLK Day
Some have decided to turn this thread into "Everything" that is not fair to small groups of people.
No one is having their voting rights curtailed.
dwa12479
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Personal opinion, the biggest thing that brings heat on the LGBTQ community today is the act of them trying to force acceptance and compliance on the rest of us to their lifestyle. I honestly couldn't give 2 shits who marries who, who you sleep with at night, etc. But when you sue the hell out of a baker who wouldn't make you a cake, lines are crossed. When trans women freak out on someone in public for using the wrong pronoun, lines are crossed. When biological males are cleaning up in women's sports, lines are crossed. Ill leave you alone if you leave me alone.