The guy with the thumb in his eye threw some sort of liquid on the police? You have that video, right?
Should We Blindly Support the Police?
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The guy with the thumb in his eye threw some sort of liquid on the police? You have that video, right?
Truebeliever
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What do you think of the cop’s reaction to this? The truckers in Canada are doing the same thing with traffic as BLM here.
Furious driver confronts BLM protesters blocking major intersection
A FURIOUS driver confronted BLM protesters who blocked a major intersection of a busy freeway, bringing traffic to a standstill. Video shared online shows the man appearing to yell at protesters in…
www.the-sun.com
And if you were in that traffic you would be angry that that cop didn’t clear the road .
What is the difference in the protest tactic ?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Go thru the Twitter links. They are saying that is what happened and some are claiming it was an undercover government agent that sprayed the stuff.
I did not see the video but that’s the word that was on the internet and what causes three cops to go to the hospital. And officially why the police reacted .
I read a shit ton and watched videos from all angles. Lots of them.
Do you have the video of the guy that had a thumb shoved in eye throwing unknown liquid on the Police? I was looking for that one.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Show the whole video instead of propaganda clips . It’s like showing the very end of one of those Halloween slasher flicks where they beat Michael Myers or Jason without showing all that he did in the first 90 minutes of the movie. It would make him look like the victim
So, you do not have the video of the guy throwing anything on the Police?
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Nope, but reasonable deduction backs the story. The propagandist who edited the video would have shown the protester doing nothing before the cops reacted if that were so. Furthermore, both the official story and unofficial witnesses are backing the story. And the pro-protesters would not be claiming it was an undercover government agent that threw the acid if no acid was thrown.
Officials would have thrown the cop under the bus if it wasn’t believed to be true.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Still backing the trucker’s tactics?
“Bolus, who the station reported is a longtime supporter of former President Trump, said that the protest will leave a lane open for emergency vehicles for safety, but he couldn’t promise that commuters would make it to work on time.“"We will not compromise anybody's safety or health, one way or the other," Bolus said. "As far as if they can't get to work, geez that's too bad.”
www.foxnews.com
“Bolus, who the station reported is a longtime supporter of former President Trump, said that the protest will leave a lane open for emergency vehicles for safety, but he couldn’t promise that commuters would make it to work on time.“"We will not compromise anybody's safety or health, one way or the other," Bolus said. "As far as if they can't get to work, geez that's too bad.”
DC trucker convoy plans on shutting down Capital Beltway, organizer says: 'Giant boa constrictor'
A trucker convoy heading to Washington, D.C., plans to shut down the Capital Beltway later this week in protest of wide-ranging issues such as fuel prices, vaccine requirements and immigration, the organizer said.
www.foxnews.com
Well, it was not acid. You keep saying that, even though no evidence it was acid.
There is nothing to show that the "eye" guy was anything but a basic guy at a protest.
You seem to think it is okay for the officer to shove his thumb into the eye of a citizen that was not fighting the police.
Is there anything that the Police are doing that would cause you to have issue?
This is a serious question. I back the Police in far more scenarios than I do not.
I am more than willing to call them out when they are wrong though, you seem to be not able to do that.
The story of the young girl that was killed by a stray rifle bullet in a store while she was getting changed, I had a real problem with that.
We Police are not always right, and there are many stories of real abuse from officers, I am willing to call that behavior out.
Saltwater60
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Well I said allowed and we certain let them off the hook and allowed them to do it during BLM protests. Many DA’s, police, and politicians said we will not arrest or prosecute those involved in the BLM riots. They allowed them to take over road ways and thruways without arrests again the polices job is to arrest for criminal action and they didn’t. They took over streets and a police station in Portland and we just allowed it right?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
My rule in life is to stay away from all protests. They all have the propensity to get out of hand and I don’t need that in my life. Sorry I take to the streets for no one, but myself. Selfish? Maybe, but my job is to protect myself and my family.
I could see it now I’d be the guy there supporting Blue Lives Matter and a fight would break out and the BLM looters would be set free and I’m a white guy so I’d be jailed.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I have thanked many cops. I worked with many of them at my local vaccine clinic for overtime. The ones that I talked with and were descent I thanked them for putting up with the bullshit. The cop directing traffic I always wave to as a thank you. You can go back and look at my threads and I would say for the most part I blindly supported the cops until recently. Why recently because what’s happened to my family personally(detailed earlier in the thread) and what I’m seeing on the news with the BLM and 1/6 shit. I have many friends and family members who are cops and I have called out my brother and father for violating peoples rights.Cops are quick to defend other cops because of how fast the rest of the world is too quick to condemn them especially when in most cases they are later proven right or it was a quick split second decision made under life and death circumstances. There are dozens of examples that made the press and thousands that don’t . Cops in the best of circumstances are second guessed or criticized. If not in public, then in a courtroom.
Too many are quick to say the cop was wrong and the only real support was from other cops, period. This threat is about not blindly supporting cops, correct . But what real support has anyone here really given who aren’t LEOs themselves. Did you give money to a defense ? How many here have actually thanked a cop in the past few years for anything?
Think about it.
Some say cops just let the BLM/Antifa protesters just do what they wanted as if the cops had a choice. Go just look at two cities. NYC and Portland. Go see what happened to police officers who did something. Often that officer got prosecuted or internal punishment.
Look what happened in Austin
19 Austin police officers indicted from investigation into 2020 protests, sources say
Aggravated assault charges are among the most on a single police department over tactics used during the widespread protests over George Floyd's death.www.npr.org
Or the officer was the victim of the violence and just had to “ eat it” and watch them get a slap on the wrist at best.
Go look at the sentence for burning a police van with cops in it
Judge sentences glam activists for torching NYPD van
Two activists who torched an NYPD homeless outreach van on a Greenwich Village street in 2020 were each sentenced to six months in prison on Friday in Manhattan federal court.nypost.com
Six months— that’s it.
How about the burning of a police station and the personal property of those police officers?
Riot declared in Portland after protesters set police station on fire
A riot was declared in Portland after at least 100 people descended on a police union building and set it ablaze – as angry protests continue across the US after the death of 20-year-old Daunte Wri…
A large number of the victims of the violence were police officers . And they had to “ eat it “ when the DA wouldn’t prosecute or couldn’t act on it.
Really, how much support have you truly given that actually meant something?
Something like gave money to a cause like Project Thank-a-cop. It’s an organization that just provides breakfast for a precinct for a day. Not much different than the adopt a solider program. If you didn’t give to such a program or an individual, you really didn’t support the troops. If you haven’t done something, your prior “support “ was only in your own mind or among your friends.
Again, that so called “public support “ is flickle at best. How many cops have been railroaded . Go ask Darren Wlison. How about the Baltimore 5. That’s just some of the public ones. The thousands of cops railroaded and thrown under the bus and the only real support is from other cops. Your support can’t be counted on.
Yes people should support cops and no I don’t agree with everything that’s happening to cops. Yes there are many scapegoats for politicians now, but allowing the BLM riots to get to where they were allowed Biden to be elected and this to be happening to the cops. What could the cops have done about it? I’m sure nothing,
I actually have a very serious question and that is do you agree with how the trucker protests were handled by the Canadian police? If so why? Also if you do what’s the difference between them blocking the roads and BLM rioters/protesters blocking the roads? I just see a double standard here and that’s why the police are losing the support of the people.
The police are doing the bidding of politicians, DA’s and other elites and regular people are getting screwed because of it. I get the whole I’m following orders and I’ll be fired if I don’t get it, I really do, but then you have to get why people like me are displeased by your actions and you’re losing support.
The politicians and police are doing X, Y, Z to gain the support of the inner city minorities whom they will never have a large portion of support for no matter what they do all the while losing the support of people that truly supported them like me. I don’t wholesale hate cops by any means, but where as before I supported them unless they gave me a reason not to now I look for a reason to support them before doing so.
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Saltwater60
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Why do you say still support the truckers tactics when BLM did the same damn thing. See this right here is why you lose support. It’s ok for BLM to do it and get away with it because the DA told the mayor, who told the police chief, who told me not to arrest a guy for doing the same thing. Got it. I’d you can’t see this is why you don’t have our support well then I’m not sure I can help you anymore.Still backing the trucker’s tactics?
“Bolus, who the station reported is a longtime supporter of former President Trump, said that the protest will leave a lane open for emergency vehicles for safety, but he couldn’t promise that commuters would make it to work on time.“"We will not compromise anybody's safety or health, one way or the other," Bolus said. "As far as if they can't get to work, geez that's too bad.”
DC trucker convoy plans on shutting down Capital Beltway, organizer says: 'Giant boa constrictor'
A trucker convoy heading to Washington, D.C., plans to shut down the Capital Beltway later this week in protest of wide-ranging issues such as fuel prices, vaccine requirements and immigration, the organizer said.
To answer your question yes I do support the truckers protests because it’s for everyone’s rights and to protect all rights from government overreach. The BLM protests were for political gain and you can watch the polls as soon as the BLM support went below 50% for a few weeks in a row the protests disappeared. Coincidence? I think not. Timely political tactic by the democrats? I think so. Disagree fine, but I’m just telling you why you’re losing my support as well as many other cops.
When Police/Sheriffs/Peace Officers…changed and went to “Law Enforcement” is when our society lost. Now employing Military style tactic, with Battle Field gear.
They resemble or portray an occupying Military presence (or UN thugs).
The last decent cops are our local Sheriffs depts…
They resemble or portray an occupying Military presence (or UN thugs).
The last decent cops are our local Sheriffs depts…
Do not have to think about it, I do often. My nephew is in leadership in the BPO. My late cousin was Chief of Detectives for the Erie County sheriffs and was a great undercover narcotics officer for years. I stop into my local police force office monthly, the Chief is my friend. I am forever thanking them. I attend board meetings and speak up on pay raises for them! I am a member of the community liaison board. I speak up and say you want better policing pay them better!
All that said I reserve the right to call out BULLY COPS and the GOOD GUYS who do not also do the same. Bully cops ruin it for EVERYONE!
.... and think about it, it is coming to a point where we all will need to get out in the streets to do just that, to protect our families! I do agree with you, I too need to stay away as when I see an injustice my instinct is to pounce - cannot afford that. BUT the day is soon coming when we will need to do said. I can almost taste it. Are you ready to do so for the sake of your decedents not just your immediate family? I owe it to my ancestors who did so for me. My cousin was one of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. So far I have found 18 ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The article said they believed it to be acid. It could have been a different substance but nevertheless it caused injury and they went to the hospital.
You are too quick to call them out on stuff with less than half the story and believe the propaganda these groups put out. A few seconds of edited video doesn’t tell the whole story.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
People sound like the police wanted to be assaulted, and burned out of places . And not be allowed to do anything about it. Then blame the whole profession. There is a reason police departments would not send their cops to Portland. The DA would not prosecute. The feds deputized the cops so they could prosecute when cops were assaulted. That’s how bad it got. And some blame all cops for the actions of the prosecutors and democrat mayors
Sorry buddy, but what the Ottawa Police did and are doing is a CRIME ON SOCIETY! Just standing there with them is BAD! No decent officer would do what they are doing, they would QUIT before doing so! So the whole lot of them are GUILTY IMO! They DESERVE every bit of wrath they are getting. You talk boldly about propaganda, look at the tweets the Ottawa police have been putting out. Joseph Goebbels level lies!
You could not be more wrong.
I support and defend the police here and elsewhere all of the time.
You see unlike you, I read many stories and accounts of each story that I discuss. I do not jump to conclusions as you did in this particular incident.
As for the propaganda, I do not fall for it at all. I find certain stories, I look deep into them and I post a few. Maybe you have me confused with another member, but it is rare that I call out the coppers for their misdeeds.
This is my career, I see things behind the scenes each and everyday in regards to the working knowledge of the job.
I pay attention to the happenings throughout the country and the world. I see that the actions of some have made my job that much more difficult. When I hear that many Americans are afraid of the police, that bothers me.
I am very good at what I do. Some of the tactics of some officers and departments are down right disturbing. You seem to be blind to all that is going on.
You have defended all police in all of their actions, I can only imagine how bad you were prior to your retirement. I am not soft, I get busy when I need to. You apparently never really honored your oath, not truly.
I ask again, any situation that you would not defend them? I mentioned the story of the little girl that was mistakenly shot by LAPD while in the dressing room, I called that cop out hard. Little girl is dead due to the outrageous and negligent actions of one officer.
Yep, I call out bad when I see it. Not just in this profession but all that I deem needs to be called out.
Yes you do! and that is one reason of many why I have great respect for you!
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The vast majority of the violent protesters were white.
And yes, the victims of assaults and arson ( the police officers themselves) were not allowed to do their job. The DA refused to prosecute the criminals and actually prosecuted cops . It was so bad that outside police departments refused to send their officers to those areas where those woke prosecutors and politicians were.
The feds deputized those officers so the feds could prosecute if the officers were victims. And yet, you blame the police officers ?
Thsts like blaming all doctors for malpractice done by a doctor in a different hospital in a different part of the country.
Strawman alert, he did not do as you claim.
By the way, in regards to the situation in Ottawa, just as an example; I have not called out the Ottawa police departments, I have called out a couple of individual officers that are not acting within the scope of their job or their training. I have called out individual officers as well as the chiefs of police.
There are a few officers during this truck of protest that have gone far above what they should have done as per their training and as per the law. I would imagine the overwhelming vast majority of officers are doing their jobs and they're doing those jobs correctly.
Nowhere in this thread or any other thread have I called out police as a whole or departments as a whole.
I posted the video of that piece of garbage New York City cop that was stomping a US flag, she stomped it on purpose. I called out that piece of garbage and a few that were around her that did nothing to stop her. At no point did I say the NYPD sucked and that the whole department stopped the flag.
I call out individual garbage when I see it, that is the difference between cops like me and others in law enforcement.
There are a few officers during this truck of protest that have gone far above what they should have done as per their training and as per the law. I would imagine the overwhelming vast majority of officers are doing their jobs and they're doing those jobs correctly.
Nowhere in this thread or any other thread have I called out police as a whole or departments as a whole.
I posted the video of that piece of garbage New York City cop that was stomping a US flag, she stomped it on purpose. I called out that piece of garbage and a few that were around her that did nothing to stop her. At no point did I say the NYPD sucked and that the whole department stopped the flag.
I call out individual garbage when I see it, that is the difference between cops like me and others in law enforcement.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I feel there is no difference in their basic tactic of closing down roads. There is no difference in their propaganda tactic of taking a half story or an edited video. Or just plain making stuff up or instigating a confrontation like throwing bottles, spraying an acid like substance etc by some of the protesters.
The difference is how the press and the “ democrat” leaders are reacting to it.
I disagree with treating them like terrorists or anyone who supports them like closing down bank accounts etc. Nor the disparity in justice in the prosecution of the Jan 6 defendants compared to the BLM protesters who actually tried to kill cops. - like only getting sentenced to 6 months in jail while Jan 6 defendants have been jail longer without a trial and aren’t even accused of actual violence.
I think the truckers are right in their goals but not the method, even as effective as it is.
Again, I ask what real and meaningful support did any of you give the police. Did you call politicians on a subject that the police officers care about? Give money to the widows and orphans fund? Etc. If not, “your support “ wasn’t there.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
See, now you gave actual support.
This is a Tweet from a follower of mine on Twitter. He is retired now and was a cop for near three decades.
"Police Officers across this country will soon face a tough decision... Stand with the government and enforce tyranny or stand with the people and honor their sworn Oath."
Following orders that are not legal is not needed. I fear too many that are employed now may not be intelligent enough to understand what is and what is not a lawful command. Maybe not brave enough to stand up for what is right.
"Police Officers across this country will soon face a tough decision... Stand with the government and enforce tyranny or stand with the people and honor their sworn Oath."
Following orders that are not legal is not needed. I fear too many that are employed now may not be intelligent enough to understand what is and what is not a lawful command. Maybe not brave enough to stand up for what is right.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Sure, an illegal order. But clearing a protest that is blocking a road is a legal order. Now it’s matter if you agree with that protesters aims or not. And that’s how a lot of people are determining how they are judging the police . Not legality of their action.
Saltwater60
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So what if the DA wouldn’t prosecute that’s not your job or any other police officers Job to make that decision. The job of a police officers is to arrest people for the crimes they committed with some semblance of dignity and respect if capable. Then to book them in and file the report. The DA can then decide to prosecute and file charges or not.
see what happened in your case is now millions of Americans are blaming the police for inaction. The cops still should have done the job they were hired to do and put it at the feet of the DA to kick them or not. Now you still don’t have the support of the BLM crowd and you’re losing the support of the conservative crowd that supported you. I’m sure my position is easier said than done.