Ghost Gun Regulations For Today

[Cavalry]

The media is all hot and heavy that uncle Joe is going to save the country tomorrow by banning "ghost" guns as early as tomorrow.
This should be quite the unenforceable fuck fest...

 

[Cooolone]

It's not up to Brandon to eliminate or infringe upon 2A Rights as a Federal Rule... We are still a Republic last I had seen!

Besides... Anything from Brandon is unenforceable! That ship has sailed, the horse has left the barn!

 

[Truebeliever]

This is the issue the democrats are going to push . The typical “ lack of gun control laws” is the reason for the crime wave BS as way to try to distract voters from what they have done to the country

 

[Acer-m14]

say goodbye .. say goodbye .. to all the hardware stores selling pipe and shovel's

look at all them AK receivers with NO serial numbers on them ...

Shovels - Digging Tools - The Home Depot

 

[Uzi]

Last time I checked, the country is littered with unconstitutional tyrannic gun laws nobody can touch. The ATF has decided they can just make laws now and just arrest anyone whenever and ask questions later. I don't foresee a basis of proper legislation being much of a hindrance in the United corporation of America. But we have a few more constitutional carry states now to fill the void, yay!

 

[spat]

Last time I checked, the country is littered with unconstitutional tyrannic gun laws nobody can touch. The ATF has decided they can just make laws now and just arrest anyone whenever and ask questions later. I don't foresee a basis of proper legislation being much of a hindrance in the United corporation of America. But we have a few more constitutional carry states now to fill the void, yay!

Next time the ATF pulls it's "we changed our mind about this" bullshit, I want to see someone sue to have the entire statute rules unconstitutionally vague.

"Look, even the federal agency dedicated to enforcing this law doesn't know what it means, how can it possibly give the rest of us the legally required notice about what condict it prohibits ?"

Laws are required to stand on their own, not require a federal agency to explain them.

 

[Grimscale]

The media is all hot and heavy that uncle Joe is going to save the country tomorrow by banning "ghost" guns as early as tomorrow.
This should be quite the unenforceable fuck fest...

Aww, how sweet. The kids are playing at being a government.

Whatever.

I'm done giving any kind of fuck to whatever bullshit "rules" these drug (and dementia) addled pedophiles create.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Cavalry]

The media is jumping all over each other to get the scoop before its released.

Its is proclaimed that the redefining of frame/reciever is also coming today. Serialized uppers/slides I suppose?
I cant wait to read the language for FFL's needing to add serial numbers to any thing they receive without.(homemade guns are already regulated by the ATF for markings BTW) Lets butcher up some history by stamping numbers on some pre '68. This would be a small segment...I believe a 01 cannot do this, it would need to be an 07? Is any Mfg really going to put their name on something made by/or will be made by someone other than themselves? Essentially a ban.
When are they going to regulate printers and the "ghost gunner"

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

The media is jumping all over each other to get the scoop before its released.

Its is proclaimed that the redefining of frame/reciever is also coming today. Serialized uppers/slides I suppose?
I cant wait to read the language for FFL's needing to add serial numbers to any thing they receive without.(homemade guns are already regulated by the ATF for markings BTW) Lets butcher up some history by stamping numbers on some pre '68. This would be a small segment...I believe a 01 cannot do this, it would need to be an 07? Is any Mfg really going to put their name on something made by/or will be made by someone other than themselves? Essentially a ban.
When are they going to regulate printers and the "ghost gunner"

Maybe the ATF will force us to apply, like manufacturing a suppressor. I picture them 'issuing' the serial # though.

 

[Saltwater60]

If they are so common doesn’t Heller apply?

 

[Cavalry]

Maybe the ATF will force us to apply, like manufacturing a suppressor. I picture them 'issuing' the serial # though.

Could be. A form 1 you make your own serial number up though.

 

[ManualF150]

I've asked this already to many people, including registered gunsmiths.

So far my answer has been a "no" to the fact that I don't and shouldn't need to be licensed or registered to make my own guns so as much as I don't sell them.

I want to start out and make my own bolt action long gun in 22LR and work my way up. Then potentially make a replica 1911, turning and machining all my own parts. Something very satisfying about it.

I do know that if I make a pistol, it needs to have a serial number so I can put it on my permit card.

Every since I learned to reload a long time ago, I'm to that next level, where I want to be able to make my own firearms, make the ammo for them, and then shoot them. Something very satisfying and intriguing about that. Especially since I have the equipment and general engineering knowledge to do it, along with the help from books and gunsmiths.

But with everything that has been going on, I'm leery about making anything and turn into a criminal overnight. I do know of a gunsmith that would take responsibility and say they were making it with me. But eh, I feel funny about that too.

I would love doing it as a hobby, but these damn politicians.... ugh....... maybe I ought to move to another state, lol.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Could be. A form 1 you make your own serial number up though.

They won't appreciate my choice of serial #s, so it would be in their best interest to issue them with the approval.

I always thought using the national debt clock to generate a serial number would be cool. No chance of ever getting a duplicate at this point.

 

[Saltwater60]

This will do nothing. Not many ghost guns are found at crime scenes. We had the article on Minneapolis and the giggle switches if you remember. Minneapolis was all up in arms about the huge increase and they found 8 giggle switches of I remember the article correctly.
My dad was a cop for 34 years and found two of them the last year he was retiring and asked me about them. He’s been retired for 3 years now, but no way they have that many of them now.

 

[pshift]

This is just a political stunt to get the midterm pols drooling like the 'tards they are.

 

[redtail]

So glad congress passed this new legislation.
Oh wait…..

 

[BMF JK]

In New York 1,753 illegal gun were confiscated last month only 20 of which were “ ghost “ guns . So in this crime infested state only 1.1% of the guns confiscated were ghost , I say it’s a insignificant problem compared to the real problems that our country is facing.
So in short fuck off Joe and get to work on the real issues !

 

[Deplorable Me]

say goodbye .. say goodbye .. to all the hardware stores selling pipe and shovel's

look at all them AK receivers with NO serial numbers on them ...

Shovels - Digging Tools - The Home Depot

ATF must be on the job already:

MSN

 

[Steal2B]

The wording in the press release sure makes it sound that they may call for upper receivers to be serialized now ... as well as the fun of upper receivers having FFLs and NICS in the food chain for upper purchases coming up. A quick check found a few 2A internet jockeys mentioning serial numbers for upper receivers.

 

[pshift]

Here is the link to the ATF notice, all 300+ pages of the document.

Federal Register :: Request Access

www.atf.gov

 

[Cavalry]

I really tried listening to his speech driving home, but I kept alternating from laughing to screaming at his lies.

I read the press release, All I get out of this is if its a "build buy shoot" kit (which they dont actually define) it has to be serialized and go through a FFL. I do not see where if one were to buy a 80% it has to do the same?
The serial marking if it goes to a FFL is laughable. Its been ATF policy for decades that homemade guns if sold need to have a serial and the makers info. No legitimate FFL could take possession of one anyway.
I'll have to mire through the new definitions (again) What part of the upper receiver/slide is now the serialized part? How could this possibly work with literally millions of un serialized uppers out there already?

 

[GOPerfect]

Well, The Constitution does not authorize the federal government to prevent you from making your own firearm.

This a fact that has been recognized for 200+ years.

Also, Article 1, Section 1 says Congress makes law, not the idiot in Chief.

He can stumble over words all he wants.

He seems to have a lot of supporters on this forum, I am sure those people are happy....

 

[GTN]

Tonight’s Rochester news talked about 2 shootings over the weekend. No leads to who did the shooting and no guns found yet they believe “ghost guns” were involved.
Where do they come up with shit

 

[GOYABEAN]

So we're supposed to follow unlawful laws made by a lawless administration that has broken 99.9% of man made laws and that's including our God given rights yeah I'll get right on that

 

[FRB]

Stick your head in a bucket of water three times but only bring it up twice ole slow Joe Xiden,,,, you are not saving one single life with your foolish proclamations!

 

[GOYABEAN]

Is it time yet

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

In New York 1,753 illegal gun were confiscated last month only 20 of which were “ ghost “ guns . So in this crime infested state only 1.1% of the guns confiscated were ghost , I say it’s a insignificant problem compared to the real problems that our country is facing.
So in short fuck off Joe and get to work on the real issues !

At some point a while back "they" started counting factory made guns that had their serials defaced as ghost guns so the 20 is very likely to be much lower.

 

[Acer-m14]

I really tried listening to his speech driving home, but I kept alternating from laughing to screaming at his lies.

I read the press release, All I get out of this is if its a "build buy shoot" kit (which they dont actually define) it has to be serialized and go through a FFL. I do not see where if one were to buy a 80% it has to do the same?
The serial marking if it goes to a FFL is laughable. Its been ATF policy for decades that homemade guns if sold need to have a serial and the makers info. No legitimate FFL could take possession of one anyway.
I'll have to mire through the new definitions (again) What part of the upper receiver/slide is now the serialized part? How could this possibly work with literally millions of un serialized uppers out there already?

he said AFT!!! AGAIN ... 4:15

 

[Jmac00]

so exactly how they going to enforce this bullshit??