Obamas Cause Suspicion By Ordering Huge Propane Tank For Posh Island Mansion

[Jmac00]

I'm sure "his and it's" assigned SS agents will protect that propane with all the dedication they have for defending Obola and Big Mike.

LOL, if I was part of the O'Bummer SS team and saw a shooter, I'd jump as far away as I could, screw it, one way or another, you'll be looking for a new job, LOL

 

[1911guy]

I agree. I wouldn't necessarily subscribe anything nefarious to this other than they probably have a big house and everything is propane, plus they love to throw parties so they probably use a lot.

Now if he was order a lot of fertilizer that might give me pause.

He IS a load of fertilizer.

 

[Deplorable Me]

go big or go home ..

 

[misunderestimated]

Anything Obola and Big Mike do is suspicious.

Mike Check, Mike Check, BIG mike is in da House.

 

[John Stark]

Having them is not unreasonable.

Installing them while lecturing everyone else about getting rid of theirs is very hypocritical, and certainly worthy of discussion.

That wasn't the point of the article posted, which I responded to.

There is nothing "suspicious" (the point of the article) about installing propane tanks on a residential property, even if its property belonging to the Obamanation.

And for anyone paying attention, its not a "2500 gallon" propane tank like you might see on the back of a propane truck. Its two 1000 gallon tanks and a 500, that may or may not be tied together in sequence. This kind of set up is done on a regular basis for those with large homes/mansions and/or those that have the money to meet their energy needs. Two are probably tied into the house for heat, hot water, cooking, and maybe gas fireplace, while the other is almost certainly designated for standby generator(s). A very standard installation for large homes or mansions (or farms for that matter).

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It might be "unprecedented" for Martha's Vineyard to have a zoning/code request to bury a couple of "privately owned" 1000 gallon tanks on a property, but it certainly is NOT almost anywhere else. Indeed, most tanks that get buried ARE bought and owned by the home owner, as many propane companies no longer want the hassle of trying to reclaim their rental tank buried in someone's yard when the customer decides to switch providers.

I own my propane tank, and I always encourage customers to but their own rather than play the game the propane companies play, which is to trap people into higher prices by accepting a rental tank. That way the customer can take fuel delivery from a company of their choice and not feel trapped when any given company goes full retard and purposely gouges customers in the winter season.

In many jurisdictions, burying a propane tank as opposed to having it above ground is considered a capital improvement of the property.

There is absolutely nothing "suspicious" about this propane installation at all. The article is ginned up fear mongering bullshit.

If you want to continue jabbering on about the hypocrisy of it, knock yourself out.

 

[Grimscale]

There is absolutely nothing "suspicious" about this propane installation at all. The article is ginned up fear mongering bullshit.

If you want to continue jabbering on about the hypocrisy of it, knock yourself out.

So you don't agree that there is hypocrisy when the couple who have been demanding that everyone else switch away from fossil fuels for years wants to put in propane tanks? you don't think that is noteworthy?

 

[John Stark]

So you don't agree that there is hypocrisy when the couple who have been demanding that everyone else switch away from fossil fuels for years wants to put in propane tanks? you don't think that is noteworthy?

Those traitors are hypocrites in every sense of the word. They are lowlife scum.

But that is not what the article was about, nor my initial response to it. Installing a couple of propane tanks on any given residential property that has a large energy demand is not "suspicious." Its yellow journalism and on par with what we see out of a lot of media these days, written by someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, and then echoed chambered by alarmists who start posting pictures of propane trucks with 2500 gallon bottles on their ass end.

The article was not factual, it was nonsense. The hypocrisy angle has nothing to do with my attempt to debunk the "suspicious" nature of a regularly performed installation of propane capacity.

 

[Jmac00]

ok, let look at this from a practical standpoint:

How much does it cost to get Propane to the island? is there a Pipeline from the mainland? or does it come over in a truck, on a ferry?

I would think, in this case, going all electric would be preferable?

again I ask? How much is a gallon of propane delivered to the Island???

 

[John Stark]

ok, let look at this from a practical standpoint:

How much does it cost to get Propane to the island? is there a Pipeline from the mainland? or does it come over in a truck, on a ferry?

I would think, in this case, going all electric would be preferable?

again I ask? How much is a gallon of propane delivered to the Island???

A brief look online seems to show no pipeline to Martha's Vineyard, with talk of a bridge with a natural gas pipeline as a proposal in 2021 so the island could eliminate (i.e., locally regulate out of existence) the use of fuel oil and propane.

The price of propane for the wealthy people on Martha's vineyard is almost superfluous. Even if eveyone on that island had electric only houses and vehicles, they are certainly going to have propane backup generators to meet their electricity needs when power goes out due to storms or an outage or whatever. People with money will spend enough to at least keep them up and running for days or even weeks until the utility company gets their shit together and turns the power back on.

And then, the rich people will make sure their 1000 gallon tanks are topped off, and may well add another couple of tanks if they have experienced a prolonged outage.

As far as I know, Martha's Vineyard is supplied with electricity through underwater distribution lines. They have no power plant that serves on the island, or any other energy infrastructure (including no bulk propane plants).

Massachusetts had a propane shortage this winter (surprise!?! nope, completely predictable after Operation WuFlu) and Massholes were paying very high prices this season. So much so, trucking companies were pushing off filling bulk propane storage for NY distribution so they could run tankers to Mass. NYers over paid on propane this winter when the completely unnecessary shortage in Mass started to create some scarcity in NY propane distribution.

Going all electric would be fraught with peril for people on an island. Backup power there is a MUST.

There is a fair amount of natural gas infrastructure in NY and the North East in general that people take for granted. There are many states and areas that have minimal natural gas infrastructure, where propane delivery is essential for most businesses, government entities, hospitals, and so on.

And that means trucking.

Correction: Apparently there is at least one propane company on the Vineyard:

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I'm sure the green morons want that off their island as soon as possible given the various proposals put forward to move the island to electric only.

Propane company on the island is still depended on bulk deliveries via trucking in order to distribute that energy to customers there, and unless it has a very sizable backup generator, could not load propane delivery trucks in a power down situation.

Showing that even a small, rich enclave on an island like this is wholly dependent on energy production from elsewhere, and thus dependent upon that evil crude.

 

[spat]

Those traitors are hypocrites in every sense of the word. They are lowlife scum.

But that is not what the article was about, nor my initial response to it. Installing a couple of propane tanks on any given residential property that has a large energy demand is not "suspicious." Its yellow journalism and on par with what we see out of a lot of media these days, written by someone who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, and then echoed chambered by alarmists who start posting pictures of propane trucks with 2500 gallon bottles on their ass end.

The article was not factual, it was nonsense. The hypocrisy angle has nothing to do with my attempt to debunk the "suspicious" nature of a regularly performed installation of propane capacity.

I think the suspicion comes in due to the timing, and what's going on in the energy markets lately.

He's lived there without those for quite a while, so why now ?

He certainly knows stuff the rest of us don't.

Is he preparing for widespread rolling blackouts ?

 

[Deplorable Me]

I prefer natural gas over propane. Propane being denser than air can pool and accumulate in low spots and confined areas. My brother a fireman has seen garages and cabins leveled by leaky 15# & 20# portable tanks. A minimum of technical knowledge and being handyman competent is required to live and work with propane systems.

The whole former first family is a bunch of clown asses. Never gotten their hands dirty for a living. I'd be worried if Auntie Hillary visits.

 

[John Stark]

I think the suspicion comes in due to the timing, and what's going on in the energy markets lately.

He's lived there without those for quite a while, so why now ?

He certainly knows stuff the rest of us don't.

Is he preparing for widespread rolling blackouts ?

People think 2500 gallons of propane capacity is a lot, when it really isn't in the grand scheme of things. Especially given the size of the mansion we are talking about.

First of all, 2500 gallons of propane capacity is not actually 2500, its 2500 only in terms of water capacity (full volume as measured by water).

A thousand gallon tank only holds 800 gallons, and a five hundred only holds 400, so we're talking 2000 gallons of capacity here ((800x2)+400). Propane is an expansive gas, so expansion has to be accounted for. Thus the reason propane tanks are only filled to 80% capacity (even though tanks are rated for water liquid capacity).

I regularly fill a luxury property that has more capacity than what this article is talking about. Everything is propane there except electricity, as there is no natural gas service. They blow through propane like crazy and need very regular delivery to keep up with their demand. Remember, they do not generate power from any of these tanks!

2000 gallons is nothing in terms of electrical generation, especially with liquid propane which has less btu gallon per gallon vis-a-vis a diesel generator.

Any long term power outage would mean that the Obamanation would be power down as well.

Your average 3-4 bedroom house with appliances (even if all electric rather than propane) is going to blow through enough propane in just a few days (3-5) on a 1000 gallon tank by using a backup generator that the home owner will get nervous and order a delivery if he thinks the power outage will go on very long. Most who can afford back up power for "normal" house will order a delivery once the power outage is over to keep their generator tank topped off since that generator does no good without liquid. Running on a standby generator for a house even this size 24/7 is going to blow through 800 gallons of capacity very quickly.

A mansion this size cranking electricty is going to be out of fuel much faster even with what looks like a lot of capacity (2000 gallons, not 2500). I know this, I work in this industry.

For a house this size, this is a normal tank installation for TEMPORARY electricity needs in an emergency. In other words, "Please fill us back up soon before we run out!" in an emergency situation where the power has been knocked out by a serve storm or infrastructure malfunction that takes days or maybe a week to remedy

Any scenario that puts dependency on a couple of tanks of propane for an extended period is a no win in short time. The numbers on this don't lie.

Now, if the local propane plant has backup generating power for the pumps on their bulk plants, and a local diesel distributor also has a good backup generator to fuel the propane fleet (diesel engines), then that changes the equation since propane deliveries could be kept flowing. Unfortunately, a lot of fuel-oriented bulk distribution locations do NOT have backup power generation capability, so when they lights go out they cannot load bulk fuel trucks, nor can they fuel those trucks to make the deliveries.

If you want to crunch the number, get a square footage for hotel Obamanation, from which you can calculate gross wattage needed to power that place (and propane needed for any propane appliances), and you will understand that the capacity they have ordered is NOT suspicious at all.

Getting back to the luxury property that I fill regularly that has more capacity. If they had to generate power on top of their normal propane usage, they would be out in 10-14 days, and that I think is a conservative estimate if they were running full tilt.

If the apparatchiks that serve as handlers for the Obamanation were trying to set up that place on the Vineyard for an extensive power down situation, they have failed miserably. It is obvious to anyone in the fuel business that the capacity is for short term, emergency use, not long term power generation.

 

[spat]

People think 2500 gallons of propane capacity is a lot, when it really isn't in the grand scheme of things. Especially given the size of the mansion we are talking about.

First of all, 2500 gallons of propane capacity is not actually 2500, its 2500 only in terms of water capacity (full volume as measured by water).

A thousand gallon tank only holds 800 gallons, and a five hundred only holds 400, so we're talking 2000 gallons of capacity here ((800x2)+400). Propane is an expansive gas, so expansion has to be accounted for. Thus the reason propane tanks are only filled to 80% capacity (even though tanks are rated for water liquid capacity).

I regularly fill a luxury property that has more capacity than what this article is talking about. Everything is propane there except electricity, as there is no natural gas service. They blow through propane like crazy and need very regular delivery to keep up with their demand. Remember, they do not generate power from any of these tanks!

2000 gallons is nothing in terms of electrical generation, especially with liquid propane which has less btu gallon per gallon vis-a-vis a diesel generator.

Any long term power outage would mean that the Obamanation would be power down as well.

Your average 3-4 bedroom house with appliances (even if all electric rather than propane) is going to blow through enough propane in just a few days (3-5) on a 1000 gallon tank by using a backup generator that the home owner will get nervous and order a delivery if he thinks the power outage will go on very long. Most who can afford back up power for "normal" house will order a delivery once the power outage is over to keep their generator tank topped off since that generator does no good without liquid. Running on a standby generator for a house even this size 24/7 is going to blow through 800 gallons of capacity very quickly.

A mansion this size cranking electricty is going to be out of fuel much faster even with what looks like a lot of capacity (2000 gallons, not 2500). I know this, I work in this industry.

For a house this size, this is a normal tank installation for TEMPORARY electricity needs in an emergency. In other words, "Please fill us back up soon before we run out!" in an emergency situation where the power has been knocked out by a serve storm or infrastructure malfunction that takes days or maybe a week to remedy

Any scenario that puts dependency on a couple of tanks of propane for an extended period is a no win in short time. The numbers on this don't lie.

Now, if the local propane plant has backup generating power for the pumps on their bulk plants, and a local diesel distributor also has a good backup generator to fuel the propane fleet (diesel engines), then that changes the equation since propane deliveries could be kept flowing. Unfortunately, a lot of fuel-oriented bulk distribution locations do NOT have backup power generation capability, so when they lights go out they cannot load bulk fuel trucks, nor can they fuel those trucks to make the deliveries.

If you want to crunch the number, get a square footage for hotel Obamanation, from which you can calculate gross wattage needed to power that place (and propane needed for any propane appliances), and you will understand that the capacity they have ordered is NOT suspicious at all.

Getting back to the luxury property that I fill regularly that has more capacity. If they had to generate power on top of their normal propane usage, they would be out in 10-14 days, and that I think is a conservative estimate if they were running full tilt.

If the apparatchiks that serve as handlers for the Obamanation were trying to set up that place on the Vineyard for an extensive power down situation, they have failed miserably. It is obvious to anyone in the fuel business that the capacity is for short term, emergency use, not long term power generation.

He doesn't need it to last months.

He just needs it to last through the next delivery.

Given what you have said, this might very well be intending to get him through rolling blackouts (which tend to last hours, not days).

It is a large energy intensive house (how green of him). So 2500 gals to last a few weeks with intermittent power outages sounds quite possible.