Prison time no longer seems to be a deterrent. Time to bring back chain gangs.

[VietnamEraVet]

Personally, I think standard old prison time is losing it's deterrence factor. I mean seriously, - look at it. We see people committing murders, and getting sentenced to prison for 20 - 40 years, and it's like it doesn't even bother them.

Then again, why would it. Many prisons today now include dorm style rooms; cable tv; 3 hots and a bed; a commissary; library; free medical; recreation; sports; conjugal visits. Shit, - you name it, - they have it! Meanwhile, law abiding people are on "the outside" working our asses off, paying taxes and the like.

If you've never seen one, go back and watch one or two of the old back and white movies from the 1930's about living in a chain gang. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of those fuckers, - IF they ever got out, had a pretty damn low rate of recidivism. Most were very fucking grateful for their freedom when they got out.

When I was a kid, my parents took us on a vacation or two to Florida, and Georgia. I can still vividly remember seeing lines of convicts in black and white striped uniforms chained up at the ankles to each other working along the roadsides. Whether it was digging dirt, or cutting down weeds, or picking up trash, they were doing it under the watchful eyes of deputies on horseback with rifles. I remember seeing that and thinking "shit, I'm NEVER going to jail, and living like that" No way!

It's time to bring that shit back, - chain gangs and hard labor, dawn to dusk. Maybe then, lowlifes will start thinking twice before going out and committing these heinous crimes.

 

[togmaster]

Yea Cool Hand Luke is one of my favorite movies.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Yea Cool Hand Luke is one of my favorite movies.

That one, and Oh Brother, Where Art Thou!

 

[1911guy]

We have no comparison since today so few get sent to prison. Drop no bail laws and close the revolving doors. That would work.

 

[fresch]

They can get a free college education too!

 

[Cavalry]

I think a bit differently about this. I think they should make the prisons into factories that are further broken up/segregated by offense and frequent fliers. If you don't want to work that's fine, you sit in your box, basic caloric sustenance and wear disposable paper clothes. If one works they exchange their time for credits to upgrade their life. Better room, more freedom, better food and clothes, etc. Kinda like the real world. The system would have all the elements of real manufacturing. Worker bees, techs, supervisors, QC, maintenance, sales, etc.
The prison produces a product that they can sell to support the prison. There is no reason they could not be self supporting. The prisoners gain work ethic, learn to work with others, and skills to use in the real world if they choose to rehabilitate. Punishments for being a shitbag human are harsh and require you to start over. I am not talking about running the same machine for 10 years stamping license plates, but an actual product with dozens of steps to complete.
Something like manufactured housing comes to mind as an easy one, but there are thousands of jobs/products that could be done.

 

[GTN]

Well as someone that has a son in max prison for life I can add to this.

Prisoners should be be doing hard labor!
They do live in a pod of 5 rooms with a group living area. They do have one tv between them.
If they do want the free food which is terrible, they go to the mess hall. Besides the terrible food where he gained 70 lbs in the first 6 months and was always sick from it, it’s where most of the violence happens.
He can earn the right to a hot plate and have his own food but that has to be supplied by his family but not by me. He has no fridge so I don’t know what he eats.
He hasn’t seen the outside since he went in 1/20 and probably won’t ever again.
No conjugal visits yet. Has to be there longer and earn the right to it.
Only thing I’ve sent him is supplies for knitting to keep his hands from totally stiffening up do to terrible arthritis from losing a finger and multiple surgeries when he was 17.

but trust me - I don’t feel the least bit sorry for him and conditions should be harder as far as I’m concerned.

edit to add:
he does have a job. State has a contract to assemble metal desks for schools I think. If I remember right he gets paid 25¢ an hour and the state takes half to pay back his court fees of $7800

 

[ManualF150]

I believe bad people/criminals need to go to jail and do hard labor. I also believe they should get spanked/whipped if they screw up in prison. Ya know, a little bit of corporal punishment goes a long way. But that is just me from growing up.

It's also a proven fact that if a criminal knows you and I (the good guys) have guns, chances are they may not even risk becoming a criminal in the first place. Why take the chance of getting a lung blown out...?

There are reasons people become criminals. They don't have that fear of people or consequences that follow. Especially more so here in NY.

 

[Bigfoot]

Back in 1981 when I was young and wild dumb. I got put in the county jail.

A few years ago in 2019, a guy I know was sent to the county jail for a few months.
After he was released I asked him what it was like in there. Jeez, it sounded like a party compared to the jail time I did 41 years ago.

While in jail I definitely didn't have the perks back then in 1981 that they have now.
When I was in jail it sucked big time. I learned my lesson. One time was all it took.
Haven't been arrested since then.

As it is now they have it way too good on the inside. IMO

 

[Cavalry]

As a side-note to my previous post. County jail should be chain gangs. Nip the problem in the bud when they are still committing minor crimes.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

They can get a free college education too!

And file frivolous lawsuits against the government

 

[GOYABEAN]

Send them to Cali

 

[spat]

I don't care if it's a deterrent.

They can lock them up in a 5 star hotel for all I care.

As long as they stay locked up until they can be trusted in society again.


The purpose is to remove the garbage, not to be a deterrent.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

If there's no punishment for a crime, what stops people from committing it, other than their own basic sense of right from wrong? If the punishment doesn't convince people to think twice about committing it, chances are they're not going to think twice. I believe a large percentage of people would be fine with giving up their freedom to eliminate the stresses of living on the outside. I can tell you if I looked at HARD labor for 20 years you can bet your ass my decision would be a well considered one.

 

[Darth]

I mean, some of them do get to spend time with me, so...deterrent/incentive?

 

[Acer-m14]

who made this ?? LOL ..

 

[ManualF150]

who made this ?? LOL ..

That has always pissed me off. It's not our fault the state screwed up on the lamination process on the license plates...

I still see a lot of shiny plates on the road.

I've talked to many cops and technically because the plate number is still legible/not altered, albeit not colored, nor was it intentionally defaced, or covered up, it is not a ticket-able offense. They can still pull you over to read it and check it, but unless you were doing something wrong, it's of moot point because the state knows about the problem.

Unfortunately I don't know of anyone who's been ticketed and their how their outcome was.

 

[Celt]

Then you have assholes like this guy in Pa.

John Fetterman: My Top Priority is Ending Life in Prison Without Parole for Convicted Criminals John Fetterman: My Top Priority is Ending Life Without Parole for Convicts

 

[GTN]

Then you have assholes like this guy in Pa.

John Fetterman: My Top Priority is Ending Life in Prison Without Parole for Convicted Criminals John Fetterman: My Top Priority is Ending Life Without Parole for Convicts

They should end life without parole. If your sentence is that you should be executed. No burden to anyone anymore

 

[Celt]

They should end life without parole. If your sentence is that you should be executed. No burden to anyone anymore

Thats certainly not the intent of Fetterman, hes just another leftist that wants tp let crim9nals off easy.

 

[spat]

Thats certainly not the intent of Fetterman, hes just another leftist that wants tp let crim9nals off easy.

He literally wants more crime.

Citizens won't be willing to sacrifice their freedom for protection unless crime is through the roof.

 

[Jmac00]

absolutely not, because Im an old white guy. If i get caught speeding, or Jaywalking, they will send me to a re-education camp. then execute me.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Detroit. The answer is Detroit.

 

[Saltwater60]

First you need to get people into prison before they get punishment in prison. That’s the hurdle.

 

[subsonic]

The kind of person who is not deterred by a prison sentence of years is not going to go into society an upstanding person because they served time at hard labor. I don't think you understand human nature.

Perhaps if we had an effective death penalty more would be deterred with fewer locked up. That's not the death penalty that exists in the United States, which is extremely rare, arbitrary, and delayed.

Unless that changed, the best lever we have is making sure more criminals are caught and locked up, or shot in self-defense.

Best of all would be improving society so that there are more productive citizens and fewer criminals in the first place. Meaning stop incentivizing fatherless and broken families, stop shattering communities, stop bringing in huge unvetted populations from dangerously violent countries. It never ceases to amaze, the bleeding hearts for those fleeing "violence" in their home countries disregarding our laws without a thought for how they are bring the problem to OUR home.

Detroit. The answer is Detroit.

There are still living witnesses to when Detroit was a beautiful, prosperous and largely safe jewel of a city. Something changed.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

The kind of person who is not deterred by a prison sentence of years is not going to go into society an upstanding person because they served time at hard labor. I don't think you understand human nature.

Perhaps if we had an effective death penalty more would be deterred with fewer locked up. That's not the death penalty that exists in the United States, which is extremely rare, arbitrary, and delayed.

Unless that changed, the best lever we have is making sure more criminals are caught and locked up, or shot in self-defense.

Best of all would be improving society so that there are more productive citizens and fewer criminals in the first place. Meaning stop incentivizing fatherless and broken families, stop shattering communities, stop bringing in huge unvetted populations from dangerously violent countries. It never ceases to amaze, the bleeding hearts for those fleeing "violence" in their home countries disregarding our laws without a thought for how they are bring the problem to OUR home.

I agree. Even if you made the justice system akin to the Taliban's methods people still wouldn't be deterred. That's just our culture here. Criminals are gonna criminal no matter the risk. As far as the solutions, they're not gonna happen. It's why I don't take this subject seriously.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Kinda like texas doing with illegals bussing them up here...We be like the brits in the OLD days and send our criminals to Texas vs australia and let them deal with them/ put them in jail when they screw up down there but jail time I dont think is any longer a deterrant........
Didnt they also want to give them tablets or something...
Work detail to pay a bill for their stay......work the chain gang and make 25 cents a hrs then whatever your weekly wage is is the rent and lodging for your "stay"?? we make it to easy for them.......

 

[GTN]

Kinda like texas doing with illegals bussing them up here...We be like the brits in the OLD days and send our criminals to Texas vs australia and let them deal with them/ put them in jail when they screw up down there but jail time I dont think is any longer a deterrant........
Didnt they also want to give them tablets or something...
Work detail to pay a bill for their stay......work the chain gang and make 25 cents a hrs then whatever your weekly wage is is the rent and lodging for your "stay"?? we make it to easy for them.......

Yeah my son has a tablet for emails

 

[John Stark]

The kind of person who is not deterred by a prison sentence of years is not going to go into society an upstanding person because they served time at hard labor. I don't think you understand human nature.

Perhaps if we had an effective death penalty more would be deterred with fewer locked up. That's not the death penalty that exists in the United States, which is extremely rare, arbitrary, and delayed.

This is the real problem, especially with violent felons that the government likes to turn loose eventually no matter how long the prison sentence or whether the sentence is life without parole.

Violent felonies ought to be executed. Not only are they a danger to the public when they are eventually released, they are a massive drag on our financial resources and time. Further they are a danger even within prisons with regards to other inmates and prison staff.

By violent felony I mean murder, attempted murder (which would IMO include anyone that attacks another person with a weapon other than their fists; guns, knives, chainsaws, cars, etc,), kidnapping, enslavement or trafficking of other people, torture, proven rape (victim must come forward immediately, treated as a kidnapping and not just a sexual assault once PROVEN), acts of violent terrorism (defined by law and not bullshit red flags, watch lists, woke accussations, or feelings), treason, child rape and/or trafficking or other violent or abhorrent treatment of children (pedos ought to be executed twice just to be sure), extreme sexual deviancy, and so on.

All with Due Process, Equal Protection, Right to a Jury Trial, 4th Amendment protections, and all other applicable Rights, in accordance with our Federal and State constitutions, and through fair and just courts.

It is a proven maxim that violent criminals who are justly and properly executed for their crimes almost never go on to commit more of them!

The problem with all of that is the fact that our governments, from the local to the State and Federal, are corrupt to the bone. The genie is out of the bottle, and a high rate of crime, recidivism. and organized violence and mayhem is a feature, not a bug, to our corrupt political masters and their henchmen.

Further, crime is used as an excuse and as a club to bludgeon the law abiding citizen with ever increasing and burdensome restrictions on their guaranteed fundamental Rights, without putting the slightest dent in crime, violent or otherwise,

There are solutions, but before any of those can be implemented, the problems need to be addressed broadly and as immediately as possible. With the Leviathan that Federal and State governments have become, the terrible pro-crime laws that have been passed at all levels over many decades, the unjust use of the panoply laws available to a corrupt system to use against innocent law abiding Americans (low hanging fruit) while ignoring real crime, and the corrupt political system that is run more by bureaucrats than elected officials (and the few "representatives" who actually care about this country), there are really no options to stem the tide because the government itself is lawless and engaged in lawless behavior on a regular basis.

This is what a godless, feckless, wicked, and corrupt society looks like. Welcome to the new normal.

 

[spat]

The kind of person who is not deterred by a prison sentence of years is not going to go into society an upstanding person because they served time at hard labor. I don't think you understand human nature.

Perhaps if we had an effective death penalty more would be deterred with fewer locked up. That's not the death penalty that exists in the United States, which is extremely rare, arbitrary, and delayed.

Unless that changed, the best lever we have is making sure more criminals are caught and locked up, or shot in self-defense.

Best of all would be improving society so that there are more productive citizens and fewer criminals in the first place. Meaning stop incentivizing fatherless and broken families, stop shattering communities, stop bringing in huge unvetted populations from dangerously violent countries. It never ceases to amaze, the bleeding hearts for those fleeing "violence" in their home countries disregarding our laws without a thought for how they are bring the problem to OUR home.

There are still living witnesses to when Detroit was a beautiful, prosperous and largely safe jewel of a city. Something changed.

I think what we need is an escalating sentencing policy.

For every previous conviction your sentence is automatically doubled after it is decided the normal way.

Also need to end plea bargaining and all prosecutorial discretion. You find the (singular) law that fits the crime and you charge that and zealously prosecute it. Anything less and the victims of the original crime can sue the prosecutor. In egregious cases the feds can prosecute the prosecutor.

That means unfucking the laws. They need to be clear and unambiguous. Prosecutors should not even have multiple laws to choose from for a given crime. Some actions might break multiple laws, then you charge them all.