This is comical, Hochul says ammunition background checks will reduce firearm homicides by 22%

[Saltwater60]

I find this absolutely laughable and where does she pull this bullshit out of her ass from? Well all I have to say is I doubt it will make any impact at all.

New gun legislation impacts ammunition sales across New York

The new background check laws have caused confusion for locals.

www.wgrz.com

 

[Kwalsh]

That makes perfect sense because criminals will never break the law

 

[ManualF150]

 

[Defilade]

I find this absolutely laughable and where does she pull this bullshit out of her ass from? Well all I have to say is I doubt it will make any impact at all.

New gun legislation impacts ammunition sales across New York

The new background check laws have caused confusion for locals.

www.wgrz.com

Yep! Another "Safe and Effective" speech with no Data to back it up. outright LIE!

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

So you write your name and ammo lot number on a sheet and walk away with the ammo . No possible way that ammo will ever be used in a crime

 

[Depick]

Since we’re just rambling off statistics I foresee a 89.62357% increase in the amount of Bullshit coming out of her mouth.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

 

[Saltwater60]

So you write your name and ammo lot number on a sheet and walk away with the ammo . No possible way that ammo will ever be used in a crime

Well soon the NYSP will be doing the background checks and they are so much better than the FBI that does it all the time.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Since we’re just rambling off statistics I foresee a 89.62357% increase in the amount of Bullshit coming out of her mouth.

Your estimate is low.

 

[Steal2B]

Yep! Another "Safe and Effective" speech with no Data to back it up. outright LIE!

 

[Bigfoot]

She's such an asshole...

 

[STS556]

I could really see a Crip walking into Cabela's and ask for some 9mm for his fully auto Uzi. I guess as long as he gives his info, they have to sell the ammo to him. Wow, I feel safe already.

 

[subsonic]

Just checked my LGS, they are selling ammo as usual and have more on the shelves than I have seen in a long time. Said enforcement is postponed through the end of the year.

They are not selling semiautos without a permit though, and it seems our sheriff hasn't issues forms for those yet? Since it seems no one has the new license those cannot be transferred, although it should be quick for existing permit holders to get.

 

[dwa12479]

She straight up stated a month ago she didn't need no numbers to know these laws would work... now numbers matter? FUKH!!

 

[CaliberPlus]

I called Albany on Friday, 9/2, and was told I was to be taking a copy of license, blah, blah. I have had a guy from the state walk in and pretend to be a customer over powders. I don't need to have my license pulled over this BS.

I may call again just to see if there is a delay. There is NO communication with FFL's. At least the ATF has a way to communicate.

ETA: That was not a phone call I should have made. I won't comment any further right now, ASSHAT in ALbany!

 

[subsonic]

I called Albany on Friday, 9/2, and was told I was to be taking a copy of license, blah, blah. I have had a guy from the state walk in and pretend to be a customer over powders. I don't need to have my license pulled over this BS.

I may call again just to see if there is a delay. There is NO communication with FFL's. At least the ATF has a way to communicate.

ETA: That was not a phone call I should have made. I won't comment any further right now, ASSHAT!

Don't blame me. I'm just reporting on my experience. This is not a store that I would necessarily trust for good info but I am simply reporting that they are doing brisk business in ammo and selling it cash without ID, logs, or BG checks, and told me (based on what I have no idea) that it's delayed through the end of year. I won't be posting the name of it publicly.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I am not blaming anyone, did not mean to sound like that, sorry. The state is a flaming mess. I just got reamed when I called Albany. I hung up rather than say what I wanted. He read the part of the law, which I have read, which is being ignored by the big box stores. I think we should all ignore them but with assholes like him who give SP all a bad name, I don't dare.

If any compliance is expected, there needs to be a way to communicate with FFL's on a state level. But that would require that the DickTator actually wanted businesses to continue in this state. A normal human being knows there needs to communication for change to be effective.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[CaliberPlus]

Well soon the NYSP will be doing the background checks and they are so much better than the FBI that does it all the time.

If I am reading S51001, I will be making a "request" for a background check. Whoever the state has hired at that point, will do a NICS check at my request for a backgound check. I cannot imagine the layer of F*** ups that will be. The people hired to do this will not be SP, imho. If my understanding is correct, this will be relaying confidential info through another layer of people and computer. Stolen ID anyone? No mention of the time it will take but there is a fee attached.

 

[1075tech]

Whoever the state has hired at that point,....

They'll probably sub it out to a low bidder out of state private contractor like they did with unemployment

 

[subsonic]

If I am reading S51001, I will be making a "request" for a background check. Whoever the state has hired at that point, will do a NICS check at my request for a backgound check. I cannot imagine the layer of F*** ups that will be. The people hired to do this will not be SP, imho. If my understanding is correct, this will be relaying confidential info through another layer of people and computer. Stolen ID anyone? No mention of the time it will take but there is a fee attached.

I thought NICS won't do background checks for ammunition. Just for firearms permits or FFL transfers. And as I understood it California didn't directly use NICS checks for their ammo "background check" and that it's basically a patchwork-level state database and the easiest way to get approved in the state database is doing a firearm transfer in CA.

S51001 looks similar, skimming it the references to NICS are for firearm transfers and it looks like there'll be their special shitty CA-style ammo database for those checks.

And again for my part I'm not buying any ammo in New York under that setup if it happens.

 

[CaliberPlus]

Under the current ATF, it would not surprise me if they do. I personally think there is much more to come and none of it is pretty.

 

[Saltwater60]

I am not blaming anyone, did not mean to sound like that, sorry. The state is a flaming mess. I just got reamed when I called Albany. I hung up rather than say what I wanted. He read the part of the law, which I have read, which is being ignored by the big box stores. I think we should all ignore them but with assholes like him who give SP all a bad name, I don't dare.

If any compliance is expected, there needs to be a way to communicate with FFL's on a state level. But that would require that the DickTator actually wanted businesses to continue in this state. A normal human being knows there needs to communication for change to be effective.

Hang in there man. We appreciate guys like you that are willing to put up with the BS. Sadly this law will make you lose out because I won’t be buying any ammo that requires a background check and I will be going to PA for my ammo. Best of luck and I truly mean it n

 

[Saltwater60]

If I am reading S51001, I will be making a "request" for a background check. Whoever the state has hired at that point, will do a NICS check at my request for a backgound check. I cannot imagine the layer of F*** ups that will be. The people hired to do this will not be SP, imho. If my understanding is correct, this will be relaying confidential info through another layer of people and computer. Stolen ID anyone? No mention of the time it will take but there is a fee attached.

From what I have sweat and is the NYSP will be doing the background checks on the individual purchasing ammo, but I could be wrong. Maybe those are the people supply the information and not doing the check. I heard it’s $10.00 for the check and they won’t be using the NICS system since the FBI won’t allow it. I also heard the NYSP will be doing random background checks on all gun permit holders to check their status. I guess time will tell.

 

[Vicarious]

She is such a doofus..

 

[Catskillkid]

She is such a doofus..

More like a Cee U Next Tuesday.

 

[spat]

I find this absolutely laughable and where does she pull this bullshit out of her ass from? Well all I have to say is I doubt it will make any impact at all.

New gun legislation impacts ammunition sales across New York

The new background check laws have caused confusion for locals.

www.wgrz.com

Could you hear the pause and the roll of the dice when she came up with the 22% figure ?

Or maybe they were more scientific, maybe they held focus groups to see what the highest number they could pass off before too many people started laughing was.

 

[Cooolone]

These disgusting politicans are so drunk in their own sauce!!!

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Question....how will the Gestapo aka NYSP know to track ammo sales? Will they demand the records of all the purchases from the distributors? Lets say I know an FFL well and said FFL has a shit ton of ammo and just happens to sell me some with no stupid check or recording the useless info, with cash of course. The Gestapo won't know of the transaction. If I used a CC, then they would know more about the transaction. Unlike a gun, there is no serial number on the ammo. So how would they even know if some FFLs just said screw it and didnt bother dealing with checks for people they know.

 

[Saltwater60]

Could you hear the pause and the roll of the dice when she came up with the 22% figure ?

Or maybe they were more scientific, maybe they held focus groups to see what the highest number they could pass off before too many people started laughing was.

Moms demand action told her.