Proud boy sentenced to 10 years for breaking window

[SonOfSun]

So, you don't think justice needs to be uniformly enforced to be justice ?

You think the prohibition on arbitrary and capricious punishment should be abolished ?

Would be be OK for them to require a license for greenhouse gas emissions, then just ignore it for their friends and fine all their enemies for breathing ?

It should be uniformly enforced.

There are a few big differences though. Assuming we are talking about Kenosha type riots vs. J6. Here is a short list of how they differ:

• Jurisdiction. One is federal, another state. This matters a lot, it's not the same people that would do the prosecuting in both locations.
• The crimes committed. One is trying to take over the capitol building, the other vandalism / arson.
• Motive: j6 was intended to interrupt the governmental process of transfer of power from an election. The other was rioting, some of it from protest, others just because they could.

Also the level of surveillance and ability to track down offenders is very different. There are way more cameras, officers, surveillance, etc. at the capitol than on some random street in Kenosha. Of course more are going to get caught at the capitol, there is a lot more info out there about the offenders. You need to also consider resources - the feds have way more resources to prosecute and investigate than Wisconsin.

I'm not saying crimes should go unpunished. They should be punished. I'm saying that just because a completely unrelated crime in a different jurusdiction with different availability of evidence and investigative resources wasn't prosecuted that doesn't and shouldn't give anyone a free pass.

I'll never feel sorry for someone going to prison after committing crimes under their own will.

 

[spat]

It should be uniformly enforced.

There are a few big differences though. Assuming we are talking about Kenosha type riots vs. J6. Here is a short list of how they differ:

• Jurisdiction. One is federal, another state. This matters a lot, it's not the same people that would do the prosecuting in both locations.
• The crimes committed. One is trying to take over the capitol building, the other vandalism / arson.
• Motive: j6 was intended to interrupt the governmental process of transfer of power from an election. The other was rioting, some of it from protest, others just because they could.

Also the level of surveillance and ability to track down offenders is very different. There are way more cameras, officers, surveillance, etc. at the capitol than on some random street in Kenosha. Of course more are going to get caught at the capitol, there is a lot more info out there about the offenders. You need to also consider resources - the feds have way more resources to prosecute and investigate than Wisconsin.

I'm not saying crimes should go unpunished. They should be punished. I'm saying that just because a completely unrelated crime in a different jurusdiction with different availability of evidence and investigative resources wasn't prosecuted that doesn't and shouldn't give anyone a free pass.

I'll never feel sorry for someone going to prison after committing crimes under their own will.

The "summer of love" rioters attempted to take over a federal court house repeatedly, every night for a month.

They *did* create multiple areas where they essentially seceded from the country (denied the rule of law by the legitimate authorities, and substituted their own).

There was plenty of evidence to prosecute. Especially if they used the sort of tactics that were used on the J6 protestors (i.e. a cell phone drag net for everyone who happened to be in the area at the time).

If you can ask Verizon et al for list of everyone near the capitol building on Jan 6th, you can do the same for the federal courthouse in Portland.

Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland One Day after Fencing Removed

Rioters targeted the federal courthouse in Portland, Ore., on Thursday evening in renewed clashes between demonstrators and federal police. The attack on the courthouse came one day after authorities removed fencing initially erected over the summer, in response to continued riots following the...

www.yahoo.com

You *especially* can take the people who were actually arrested for similar crimes and sentence them similarly.

You shouldn't spend 2 years in jail without bail awaiting trial for criminal trespass when someone who committed arson is out in hours just because their politics is popular.

 

[Nevar]

if he was A black. Gay. liberal. He would have skated. want to Bet ??

 

[Acer-m14]

how long have they sat in Jail with no trial ..

 

[tirwin1]

Shake a fence in DC and you get 17 years. Run over a republican you had an argument with and you only get 5 years.

Your ‘Justice’ System at Work: Leftist Who Ran Over and Killed ‘Republican Extremist’ Teen Gets Just Five Years in Prison

Two-tier justice system? Absolutely. Joe Biggs, a member of the Proud Boys who dared to shake a fenc

pjmedia.com

The justice system in this country is out of control.

 

[SonOfSun]

The "summer of love" rioters attempted to take over a federal court house repeatedly, every night for a month.

They *did* create multiple areas where they essentially seceded from the country (denied the rule of law by the legitimate authorities, and substituted their own).

There was plenty of evidence to prosecute. Especially if they used the sort of tactics that were used on the J6 protestors (i.e. a cell phone drag net for everyone who happened to be in the area at the time).

If you can ask Verizon et al for list of everyone near the capitol building on Jan 6th, you can do the same for the federal courthouse in Portland.

Rioters Set Fire to Federal Courthouse in Portland One Day after Fencing Removed

Rioters targeted the federal courthouse in Portland, Ore., on Thursday evening in renewed clashes between demonstrators and federal police. The attack on the courthouse came one day after authorities removed fencing initially erected over the summer, in response to continued riots following the...

www.yahoo.com

You *especially* can take the people who were actually arrested for similar crimes and sentence them similarly.

You shouldn't spend 2 years in jail without bail awaiting trial for criminal trespass when someone who committed arson is out in hours just because their politics is popular.

Yeah I 100% agree with you on the 2 years in jail with no bail or trial. That's bullshit and in violation of the constitution IMO. You have a right to a speedy trial. If they aren't going to try them they need to let the go, as in a long time ago. Even if I don't agree with the J6 rioters, they should be treated fairly.... and sitting in jail that long with no trial is nowhere close to fair or in line with constitutional protections.

The J6 events are still very different than the other events you mentioned though. I'm not excusing the other events, but they aren't the same. There still should have been way more charges rhat what were bought against them. To me that still doesn't excuse the J6 actions. Personally I like to see the rioting arsonists charged and brought to justice too.

 

[Acer-m14]

The J6 events are still very different than the other events you mentioned though.

so what is different ?? .. one is on so called FED land and the some others are not ..

so 2 tiered justice ..

or is it ones were Republicans and the others are Democrats

special laws for special people ..


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lady justice blindfold .. justice is unbiased and should not be based on a person's appearance or other outside influences.

that has gone out the window ..

 

[Acer-m14]

i just heard there was another insurrection ..

Protesters storm Kevin McCarthy's office over HIV bill, get dragged out by cops

Protesters with Housing Works stormed House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's office to demand he re-up funding for a global AIDs relief program called PEPFAR.

www.foxnews.com

will they be locked up for 2 yrs till there trial date like the J6 people ?