New York bans realistic active shooter drills in schools

[GOYABEAN]

New York bans realistic active shooter drills in schools

The decision comes after years of advocacy from parents and lawmakers who argued that the drills were traumatizing children and normalizing violence.

hudsonvalley.news12.com

 

[kev74]

They should ban fire drills too. I'm sure those bells caused someone anxiety.

 

[Parzival]

If you pretend violence doesn’t exist, it will just go away, right?

 

[Cooolone]

Same thing how they sanitize crime scenes and war journalism... Even some shoes now on TV having ridiculous little snippets removed!

I remember forever ago when my son was still young, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles came out, how some parent advocacy group complained about the 100+ instances if violence tht was present in the movie! Duh? Mutant Ninja Martial Artist Turtles... Anyways, one scene had the screen blacked out but sounds played with bashing, crashings and bumps in the night... That was violence to these people!

So... As mentioned, Fire Drills can most certainly trigger anxiety in children. But they save lives!

I remember as a kid having drills that had us all getting out of our seats and going under our desks in school... Yeah, I'm a little long in tooth! Lol...

Anyways, drills on lockdowns, what to do, how to react. Heaven forbid something be taught to render an event ineffective (shooter)...

So let's see, what could possibly more traumatic? Training to avoid or limit what violence someone may want to inflict upon a group. Or the actual happenstance effectuated upon an unprepared and undefendable group?

NY... What a joke any more!

 

[GOYABEAN]

Same thing how they sanitize crime scenes and war journalism... Even some shoes now on TV having ridiculous little snippets removed!

I remember forever ago when my son was still young, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles came out, how some parent advocacy group complained about the 100+ instances if violence tht was present in the movie! Duh? Mutant Ninja Martial Artist Turtles... Anyways, one scene had the screen blacked out but sounds played with bashing, crashings and bumps in the night... That was violence to these people!

So... As mentioned, Fire Drills can most certainly trigger anxiety in children. But they save lives!

I remember as a kid having drills that had us all getting out of our seats and going under our desks in school... Yeah, I'm a little long in tooth! Lol...

Anyways, drills on lockdowns, what to do, how to react. Heaven forbid something be taught to render an event ineffective (shooter)...

So let's see, what could possibly more traumatic? Training to avoid or limit what violence someone may want to inflict upon a group. Or the actual happenstance effectuated upon an unprepared and undefendable group?

NY... What a joke any more!

They always try finding ways of avoiding the main problem!

 

[Celt]

They should ban fire drills too. I'm sure those bells caused someone anxiety.

We live in a pretty good school district. It was at least 4 times last year that a teacher pressed the wrong series of buttons on the classroom phone and it triggered an active shooter alarm. Kids were panicked, crying, etc... im all for the drills, but they need to be announced as to not scare the kids.

 

[kev74]

We live in a pretty good school district. It was at least 4 times last year that a teacher pressed the wrong series of buttons on the classroom phone and it triggered an active shooter alarm. Kids were panicked, crying, etc... im all for the drills, but they need to be announced as to not scare the kids.

Or they can hire teachers who know how to dial a phone. If they got 4 false alarms in a year, they have a bad system.

If the drill is worth drilling, they should do it the right way.

If the drill isn't worth practicing, they should do away with it and use the time to teach kids.

The only reason kids would freak out during a drill is because the staff presented the information poorly. No kid ever expected to get third degree burns and die of smoke inhalation because the fire alarm went off. No kids ever expected to be mangled and decapitated because they were jumping out of the emergency exit on a bus. Similarly, the kids shouldn't be lead to expect to be shot because a shelter in place drill is held.

 

[RedBreast21]

I wonder if this is in response to the mentally deficient PD drill early this year?

Law suit protection.

 

[Parzival]

Because when the real thing happens it’s going to be announced right?

Or, maybe train them the right way so they know how to respond? Especially middle school and up. Sheltering kids does not help them, they need to know evil exists in this world.

Schools should adopt Ch.a.d and S.O.S methodologies. Teachers that want to be, should be able to be armed.

 

[Acer-m14]

close all the schools ..

no more hurt or scared feelings

bonus .. no more property tax ..

Win Win ..

 

[spat]

We live in a pretty good school district. It was at least 4 times last year that a teacher pressed the wrong series of buttons on the classroom phone and it triggered an active shooter alarm. Kids were panicked, crying, etc... im all for the drills, but they need to be announced as to not scare the kids.

What they really need to to is give everyone a sense of perspective on this.

Are they terrified everytime there's a thunderstorm too ?

Because their odds of getting struck by lightning are higher than their odds of getting shot in school.

 

[spat]

Because when the real thing happens it’s going to be announced right?

Or, maybe train them the right way so they know how to respond? Especially middle school and up. Sheltering kids does not help them, they need to know evil exists in this world.

Schools should adopt Ch.a.d and S.O.S methodologies. Teachers that want to be, should be able to be armed.

Too many people think their job is to protect kids from the world, instead of preparing them for it.

It may be a good thing that we don't have 12 year olds working in coal mines, but, we also no longer have 12 year olds that are capable of doing it, and that's not better.

We've gotten to where an average 12 year old from 1920 is more of a man than a 25 year year old from 2020.

 

[Celt]

What they really need to to is give everyone a sense of perspective on this.

Are they terrified everytime there's a thunderstorm too ?

Because their odds of getting struck by lightning are higher than their odds of getting shot in school.

With respect, I believe a threat of a school under threat of a shooter is different than a thunderstorm.

If an alarm is set off to indicate a shooter is in the school kids are going to fear for their lives. There should be drills, no doubt, but the kids should be made aware ahead of time. This way they can practice what to do with a clear mind over and over and actually learn the correct response.

 

[spat]

With respect, I believe a threat of a school under threat of a shooter is different than a thunderstorm.

If an alarm is set off to indicate a shooter is in the school kids are going to fear for their lives. There should be drills, no doubt, but the kids should be made aware ahead of time. This way they can practice what to do with a clear mind over and over and actually learn the correct response.

Statistically the thunderstorm *is* more dangerous.

More people struck by lightning than shot in school shootings.

And when you have a lot more "false alarms" for an active shooter than actual shooters, that skews things even farther.

 

[Grimscale]

They always try finding ways of avoiding the main problem!

Wait, wait, wait...
Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way and missing how AWESOME New York is??

Think about it... at least a few of the recent school mass shootings have occurred during or shortly after the school had their "active shooter drills".
so maybe NY realized there is a chance these drills are either giving the kids with mental health issues ideas or are giving the 3-letter agencies a chance to get resources in place to cause a mass shooting. So NY, in their infinite wisdom and absolute concern for the children's safety, have banned these events to reduce mass shootings?


**naw...I don't believe it either. can't believe I managed to type that without laughing hysterically.**

 

[kev74]

With respect, I believe a threat of a school under threat of a shooter is different than a thunderstorm.

If an alarm is set off to indicate a shooter is in the school kids are going to fear for their lives. There should be drills, no doubt, but the kids should be made aware ahead of time. This way they can practice what to do with a clear mind over and over and actually learn the correct response.

The response for an active shooter in schools is the same as the response for a tornado, with the added step of locking the door. Both require kids to hunker down against an inside wall until someone signals the coast is clear. It doesn't need to be traumatic - just a learned response to a stimuli. Just like the bell between classes.

Back in the late 80s or early 90s, a tornado blew down a wall at a local school, killing a bunch of kids eating lunch. In my area, deaths from tornadoes is historically a greater threat than school shootings. But interestingly, schools around here don't freak kids out over tornado drills.

I bet the stress and anxiety is more because of liberal teachers hyping up the threat of an evil, red hat wearing MAGA kook shooting up the school. Nobody cried about panic attacks when the kids were doing duck and cover drills in expectation of nuclear annihilation.

 

[FP1201]

Absurd on the face as it sounds, I suspect the Democrats in control, and I mean really in control, DO NOT want to effectively solve the issue of School Shootings, for so long as there's a debatable, viable, hot-button topic, one easily exploited, then they will, and grandstand while doing so, they blame the NRA, they blame the Republicans (opposing further inane gun control), they blame the Industry, they blame everyone and everything EXCEPT the root causes, and while pontificating atop children's bodies tell us all how THEY are going to take on all those Baba Yaga's but first they need your money and vote so they can get done....this time.

FWIW: My Wife worked in the Middle/High School for 13 years during which time they held both Fire and Active Shooter Drills as required and there were ZERO "Issues" with the Children and adolescents participating with them...Kids did what they were supposed to, Staff did what they were supposed to, Fire, EMS, and Law Enforcement did what they were supposed to and there was nothing traumatic or dramatic about it.

 

[Grimscale]

Back in the late 80s or early 90s, a tornado blew down a wall at a local school, killing a bunch of kids eating lunch. In my area, deaths from tornadoes is historically a greater threat than school shootings. But interestingly, schools around here don't freak kids out over tornado drills.

Maybe the powers-that-be created a "Tornado free zone" around the schools and the tornados learned to avoid those locations?

 

[Saltwater60]

This is shocking. I thought these drills were meant to scare kids into hating guns.

 

[fresch]

Um, don't tell the kids it is an active shooter drill.
Call it a safety drill, follow directions drill.

 

[Bigfoot]

The NYS Government's answer to everything seems to be to a ban.

Except for taxes and illegal invaders.

 

[Celt]

Statistically the thunderstorm *is* more dangerous.

More people struck by lightning than shot in school shootings.

And when you have a lot more "false alarms" for an active shooter than actual shooters, that skews things even farther.

I have no doubt about the stats, but regardless, the two are vastly different.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Same thing how they sanitize crime scenes and war journalism... Even some shoes now on TV having ridiculous little snippets removed!

I remember forever ago when my son was still young, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles came out, how some parent advocacy group complained about the 100+ instances if violence tht was present in the movie! Duh? Mutant Ninja Martial Artist Turtles... Anyways, one scene had the screen blacked out but sounds played with bashing, crashings and bumps in the night... That was violence to these people!

So... As mentioned, Fire Drills can most certainly trigger anxiety in children. But they save lives!

I remember as a kid having drills that had us all getting out of our seats and going under our desks in school... Yeah, I'm a little long in tooth! Lol...

Anyways, drills on lockdowns, what to do, how to react. Heaven forbid something be taught to render an event ineffective (shooter)...

So let's see, what could possibly more traumatic? Training to avoid or limit what violence someone may want to inflict upon a group. Or the actual happenstance effectuated upon an unprepared and undefendable group?

NY... What a joke any more!

You think those nuclear fallout drills were nerve racking?

 

[SomeSoldier]

We live in a pretty good school district. It was at least 4 times last year that a teacher pressed the wrong series of buttons on the classroom phone and it triggered an active shooter alarm. Kids were panicked, crying, etc... im all for the drills, but they need to be announced as to not scare the kids.

If a fire alarm is so important it has its own pull handle. Why the fuck wouldn't you give an Active Shooter Alarm the same attention? Why the hell mix that into the phone system?

Oh I know why, money spend on admin personal is more important than student security.

This fixes are easy, the problem is people are greedy, whether it be power or money.