spat
.950 JDJ
We have detonated over 1000 full up nuclear bombs underground. We know what it looks like.
These nuclear facilities are also deep underground.
Contamination is not an issue.
Do you support US involvement against Iran
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These nuclear facilities are also deep underground.
Contamination is not an issue.
spat
.950 JDJ
The MOPs can *only* be dropped by the B2s.
Not even the B1 or B52 can drop them. They're physically too large for the bomb bays.
You could theoretically push one out of the back of C130 or something, but I think the accuracy goes out the window, and they need pinpoint accuracy to be effective.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
I don't want to argue every point but let me pick up these two:
Knowing Iran/US history here would be helpful, because the Iranian theocracy's hatred of the US is independent of anything to do with Israel. The origin of that hatred is because in 1953 the CIA engineered a coup that put the Shah in place. The US continued to support the Shah as a bulwark against Russian influence in the region all the way through the 1979 Islamic revolution. The Shah's government and secret police were particularly brutal and depraved in how they killed and tortured the Islamics and the Ayatollah's blamed America for that.
603 proven, many more unproven, and it's extraordinarily disappointing to hear you say the lives of 603 American soldiers is "pitifully miniscule" [sic] and "nothing". I'm a little surprised at those comments.
Knowing Iran/US history here would be helpful, because the Iranian theocracy's hatred of the US is independent of anything to do with Israel. The origin of that hatred is because in 1953 the CIA engineered a coup that put the Shah in place. The US continued to support the Shah as a bulwark against Russian influence in the region all the way through the 1979 Islamic revolution. The Shah's government and secret police were particularly brutal and depraved in how they killed and tortured the Islamics and the Ayatollah's blamed America for that.
603 proven, many more unproven, and it's extraordinarily disappointing to hear you say the lives of 603 American soldiers is "pitifully miniscule" [sic] and "nothing". I'm a little surprised at those comments.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
just to please everyone then ..
no nukes .. we just hiroshima nagasaki them ..
they can rebuild .. Japan did .. BUT !!!!
we need to get rid of the feelings being hurt during WAR .. ohhhh pooor this and oh poooor that ,,
you either destroy your enemy or you don't go to war ..
these goat fuckers have been fighting for 1000's of years and it will never stop until you annihilate them all
no nukes .. we just hiroshima nagasaki them ..
they can rebuild .. Japan did .. BUT !!!!
we need to get rid of the feelings being hurt during WAR .. ohhhh pooor this and oh poooor that ,,
you either destroy your enemy or you don't go to war ..
these goat fuckers have been fighting for 1000's of years and it will never stop until you annihilate them all
After WWII, Italy, West Germany, and Japan all seemed to generate a new, effective Government.
Sadly, China, a WWII Ally, did not.
If we knew how to reliably create replacement governments that fit the country and its culture, life would be easier.
Sadly, China, a WWII Ally, did not.
If we knew how to reliably create replacement governments that fit the country and its culture, life would be easier.
Iran was a Monarchy for Millennia, until Jimmy Carter became involved.
I have read this man, the rightful King, is interested.
en.wikipedia.org
I would give him a chance if it were up to me.
An aside, the former King, the Shah, did not take kindly to "NO KINGS" riots.
I have read this man, the rightful King, is interested.
Reza Pahlavi - Wikipedia
I would give him a chance if it were up to me.
An aside, the former King, the Shah, did not take kindly to "NO KINGS" riots.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
This now forgotten 1978 book was a large influence on the views of Ronald Reagan regarding the USSR. In the book, Iran is a major ally of the US against the USSR in WW3. The 1979 revolution obviously changed all of that.
Iranians held U.S. embassy staff hostages to force U.S. to hand over the Shah to stand trial. They hated him and his family that much. Carter refused. "We will not yield to blackmail" was repeated over and over by Carter Administration. Shah was moved to Panama where he died. I doubt his son can stay alive in Iran, much less gain any kind of power.
U.S. government and the media propagate all kinds of bullshit narratives that have nothing to do with reality.
U.S. government and the media propagate all kinds of bullshit narratives that have nothing to do with reality.
In fact at the time Carter was criticized for taking in the Shah and creating the conflict, which could have been easily avoided. Shah could have fled to Panama to begin with. Moving him there after the fact didn't resolve the hostage stand off.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The better questions would be.
Do you trust Iran with nukes and icbms? No!
If the US is the only country that could prevent this from coming to fruition should we take action? Yes!
Do you trust Iran with nukes and icbms? No!
If the US is the only country that could prevent this from coming to fruition should we take action? Yes!
HANK the CRANK
9mm
If we really wanted to torment Iran we should have placed Hochul in a pod and dropped her donkey face over there,then they would really get a taste of hell!
spat
.950 JDJ
LoL, no, we are not loaning out B2s.
We don't even allow our closest allies to buy the F22, let alone the B2.
spat
.950 JDJ
The Chinese government after WWII was just fine. They are a valuable member of the global community.
You know them today as Taiwain.
They just had a communist infestation that took the mainland from them, but that was *after* WWII.
We probably should have supported the nationalists more, the world would be a much different place today if all of China was like Taiwain. Isolationists never think through the consequences of trying to ignore the rest of the world.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
That's a really savage tactic right there. Dropping Hochul the Horrible on anyone or anywhere would almost be considered a war crime IMO. In fact, I think it most probably would be.
War's hell, most everyone gets that to one extent or another.
But C'mon man, having a Hochul dropped on, well, you know, would be Horrible.
Ask me how I know.
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Saltwater60
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Many clear failures after WWII with the USA and regime changes. In fact most have failed. Maybe Iraq will be a success story. Afghanistan is so bad it’s almost comical.
I do think Iran with a regime change could be a success story. Many of its citizens don’t want to live like they are but the same is true of China. Time will tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing and much of it will be determined by what Iran's allies are willing to do….. Hopefully not too much but some of them are pretty crazy honestly. You never know these days.
Ain't reading all the posts I missed...
I'll just say simply...
FUCK IRAN!
FUCK the Ayatollah!!!
They never paid for their transgression (79') and their background Military support of Terrorism throughout the world!
I have no skin to shed, no tears either!
And quite frankly FUCK anyone, Russia, China and others who don't like it!
There's comes a time when talk is cheap! They Extreme Regime there in IRAN laughed their asses off every time the weak US talked deals, treaty and other bullshit they just ignore. Biggest laugh had to be when dimwit Biden released their Billions that what, 6+ previous presidents refused to do!
Anyways!
FUCK IRAN and anyone who supports them!
I'll just say simply...
FUCK IRAN!
FUCK the Ayatollah!!!
They never paid for their transgression (79') and their background Military support of Terrorism throughout the world!
I have no skin to shed, no tears either!
And quite frankly FUCK anyone, Russia, China and others who don't like it!
There's comes a time when talk is cheap! They Extreme Regime there in IRAN laughed their asses off every time the weak US talked deals, treaty and other bullshit they just ignore. Biggest laugh had to be when dimwit Biden released their Billions that what, 6+ previous presidents refused to do!
Anyways!
FUCK IRAN and anyone who supports them!
spat
.950 JDJ
Our problem is that we put diplomats and bureaucrats in charge of military operations.
And they try to start the nation building before the demolition phase is complete.
You can't build a new nation until the remnants of the old one are obliterated.
But we no longer have the stomach for that.
Imagine what Germany would look like today if we had established a peace treaty with the Nazis once they realized they weren't going to win instead of eliminating them.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
Trump announced an end to the Iran - Israel conflict. Talk about playing his hand, DJT is the GOAT. God bless him.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Even I didn't foresee the cock sucking at NATO. But it makes sense now that the globalist bankers now have an opportunity to possibly invest in the region and make trillions. Trump has a few angles to play. 
Guess many people aren't too aware of the trade pact from Trump's 1st administration!? The one that would run from Indonesia through India up through the middle east and landing in Europe! All to open up to the US and keep China out! Has lots to do lately with his moves...
But honestly, is amazing to see how these hooties want to and are elbowing for a chance to squeeze in and spend some time with the big man! He's becoming quite the enigma on the international stage! One minute beating them over the head, the next they're thanking him for waking them up! Go figure!
He's kicking ass and not taking names any more!
But honestly, is amazing to see how these hooties want to and are elbowing for a chance to squeeze in and spend some time with the big man! He's becoming quite the enigma on the international stage! One minute beating them over the head, the next they're thanking him for waking them up! Go figure!
He's kicking ass and not taking names any more!
Since so many are now bringing up the US embassy, I'm honestly Just curious what people think is worse:
The Iranian hostage taking of the US embassy
Or,
The Israelis knowingly attacking the USS Liberty to try and draw us into their war?
The entire situation is not as clear as we would like it to be.....
Off topic but similar,
I've actually seen random posts on X from Israeli accounts warning the US of a major terrorist attack to be committed by Iran in conus between now and 4th of July. If that happens, is it really Iran? How would we as common citizens with just open source information ever know the truth from which to form our opinions. We are given bits and pieces of the official narrative to try and decide if we believe it or not.
The Iranian hostage taking of the US embassy
Or,
The Israelis knowingly attacking the USS Liberty to try and draw us into their war?
The entire situation is not as clear as we would like it to be.....
Off topic but similar,
I've actually seen random posts on X from Israeli accounts warning the US of a major terrorist attack to be committed by Iran in conus between now and 4th of July. If that happens, is it really Iran? How would we as common citizens with just open source information ever know the truth from which to form our opinions. We are given bits and pieces of the official narrative to try and decide if we believe it or not.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That’s just it what do we believe? I have no idea anymore. Is anything cut and dry these days?
Imagine what Germany would look like today if we had established a peace treaty with the Nazis once they realized they weren't going to win instead of eliminating them.
These scenarios are usually pointless, but entertaining.
I would first consider Germany without Hitler. He was deeply unpopular, and sickly.
With him gone (inevitable), what would the new regime look like?
Certainly the USSR would not have conquered most of Europe after the war.
It is at least possible that Germany would have become an ally, as Japan did, after its leadership was annihilated.
Perhaps that Germany would not be overrun by Muslims.
Take away the mass murder of Jews, and the urge to conquer, Nazi Germany would resemble many governments today.
Not exactly an American's cup of tea, but functional and non-threatening.
Post WWII Italy is also interesting.
Did anything really change at all?
In fact, pretty much all of Europe returned to normalcy.
The only permanent damage was to those invaded by the USSR.
Which a Germany, managed by the same Nazi Bureaucracy, less the madmen, would have prevented.
General George Patton thought so, and wanted to recruit non-nazi soldiers to join Americans and defeat Stalin. Patton was likely assassinated for this.
At the Yalta Conference, post war, Roosevelt, ravaged by sickness and truly in "Dementia Joe" territory, made an extremely bad deal with Stalin.
Once again History is ruled by hindsight.
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Did anything really change at all?
In fact, pretty much all of Europe returned to normalcy.
The only permanent damage was to those invaded by the USSR.
Which a Germany, managed by the same Nazi Bureaucracy, less the madmen, would have prevented.
General George Patton thought so, and wanted to recruit non-nazi soldiers to join Americans and defeat Stalin. Patton was likely assassinated for this.
At the Yalta Conference, post war, Roosevelt, ravaged by sickness and truly in "Dementia Joe" territory, made an extremely bad deal with Stalin.
Once again History is ruled by hindsight.
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Vietnam was supposed to be a short war. We have a record of butting into other countries affairs and staying in places where we are not wanted, prolonging regional tensions and creating additional enemies.
If we are going to go in, it should be quick, decisive, eliminate the adversary, and offer to help the people rebuild. It worked for WWII (Japan), didn't it :/
If we are going to go in, it should be quick, decisive, eliminate the adversary, and offer to help the people rebuild. It worked for WWII (Japan), didn't it :/
It could have happened. There were a number of attempts on Hitler's life besides the suitcase bomb planted by Stauffenberg. As one author put it "the devil's hand saved Hitler". Would the allies have negotiated a peace despite the "unconditional surrender" policy? Hard to tell.
A fascist Germany without Hitler would be a far cry from the nation that currently exists.
Actually Soviet Union was the the main force in defeat of Nazi Germany. This is simply a historical fact as much as it is swept under the rug in this country. By the time D day came along the outcome of the war was already decided on the Eastern front. When Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin met at Yalta, Stalin was the top dog as he commanded the most powerful military at the time. Roosevelt was in poor health, but Churchill wasn't. They knew that Stalin would not be sidelined and had to make a deal on his terms. BTW, it was Stalin who insisted that France would be given a Victor nation status, Roosevelt and Churchill didn't want that.
Stalin was aware of possible deal with Germany that could be made behind his back. He kept some of the troops in reserve to counter that possibility, these troops could have helped Red Army in the battle for Berlin. He was even criticized for that.
Bill O'Reilly pushed this idiotic theory of Patton assassination for his retarded audience. Although politics in this country runs on lies and spin, the history is very clear.
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