Gun Shop Sued by NY AG

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Zerex said:
NYS Legislation requires gun shops to have cameras that capture the entire transaction process; passed on May 24, 2023.

I have never been to a gunshop, small or large that does not have cameras and locks on the doors.

They are likely looking for evidence of exactly when the guns were loaded and shipped out..likely days before the report was made.
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Yes, New York State passed these spiteful Laws as a State requirement, not a Federal one. There are 31questioning points given without guidance to selected Troopers to use when visiting Shops for inspections.
What factual basis are you suggesting that the Dealer loaded and sent out guns illegally?
Have you any evidence or even inside intel?
I won't say it's impossible, only that it's highly improbable.
 
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I have been into Bowman's a few times, I can tell everyone here that he has always had cameras in his shop. Heck when the 1st break in accrued they used camera footage of the thieves on the news from his cameras, the thieves also broke into 3 or 4 other FFL's in Jefferson and St.lawrence counties
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.
 
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IT WAS LIKELY AN INSIDE JOB

He will end up doing time; think that ATF and BCI are not on him, like a cheap suit?
 
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I have been into Bowman's a few times, I can tell everyone here that he has always had cameras in his shop. Heck when the 1st break in accrued they used camera footage of the thieves on the news from his cameras, the thieves also broke into 3 or 4 other FFL's in Jefferson and St.lawrence counties
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.
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Before he was required to have them.

The smash and grab that ended up closing a second shop in Jefferson, the crew had been caught and released two times before. The small business folks have requirements, the government does not apparently. The Soldiers caught in this case (both times) most likely had ties to city gangs and saw no reason NOT to try. Afterall, there is no enforcement, why not roll the dice. But someone trying to keep up and keep a business? Damn the torpedos .
 
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Before he was required to have them.

The smash and grab that ended up closing a second shop in Jefferson, the crew had been caught and released two times before. The small business folks have requirements, the government does not apparently. The Soldiers caught in this case (both times) most likely had ties to city gangs and saw no reason NOT to try. After all, there is no enforcement, why not roll the dice. But someone trying to keep up and keep a business? Damn the torpedoes .
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The ones that did the smash & grab at Denver's were juveniles from the darker part of Syracuse, in a stolen car...one of which is accused of murder with a stolen gun...NYS will do exactly jack shit to them.
 
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The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.
 
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Mortgage Fraud must be a thing of the past, right Tish?
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Yeah, so far that is turning out to be a big fat nothing burger.

Jumbo's very own fucking signature is on multiple fraudulent documents.
C'mon, man, I'm not a law scholar, but that has to be low-hanging fruit right there.
Apparently Jumbo is aBoVe tHe LaW. :mad:

I have strayed off topic again, my apologies. I was just saying.
 
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There is a pervasive thread thru many gun forums, that the ATF, NICS, NFA, and any FFL laws are unconstitutional............... and that guns might be sold at the corner store.
 
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Zerex said:
The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.
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BULLSHIT!
Zerex: Are you actually IN Law Enforcement?
Are you somehow "inside" on the Case?
Have you interviewed the Accused?
There are and always have been those that walked outside the lines, but don't you dare accuse FFL Dealers of that, especially without actual proof.
I think you've watched too many movie where the Shop is run by Criminals that'll do anything for a Buck, sure as Hell is what the Democrat Legislators thing, gee thanks for supporting their position.
 
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Guns USED to be sold at the corner store, hardware stores, even the Sears catalog.
Inch by inch our rights have been infringed on.

ATF, NICS, NFA, etc., rules ARE un-Constitutional.

Go after the criminal, not the object.

Anyone who thinks that you can somehow PREVENT crime is an idiot who has watched too many dystopian movies and come away missing the whole fucking point.
 
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You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.
 
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Zerex said:
You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.
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if your insurance doesn't have in WORDS you need security cameras , then they should pay out if any are stolen ..

but anyhoot .. keep licking the NYS boots ..
 
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Back later off to steal a car from the neighbor because he has no cameras and then we all can blame him for what i do with his stolen car .

woooop wooop :driving:
 
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Zerex said:
The gunshop is located in NYS, not Florida...................he purposely violated the State camera rule, to cover his tracks.

Cash talks, BS walks in the gun business. Premium prices were likely obtained.
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There is a pervasive thread thru many gun forums, that the ATF, NICS, NFA, and any FFL laws are unconstitutional............... and that guns might be sold at the corner store.
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Zerex said:
You have no camera proof of your defense of the FFL holder, and neither does he..............

For example the responsibility to not drive drunk does not rest on the bar tender or the car...only the driver.

Any Ins claims for the shop owner's misaasing guns, has likely been denied as he already likely got paid............ and did not do his due diligence, to secure the shop and cameras..hell my cheap $300, 6 cam Blink camera system can stay on 24/7.

Guns, are not hostess cupcakes for sale, despite many wishes that it was so.

His arrest may be pending.
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That’s some purple tie boot licking shit right there !
I’ve always had my suspicions, thanks for confirming them.
 
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Oh well,...............I am not LE and never was..........

Cops only enforce the laws..........not pretend that they do not exist.


The laws are constitutional....................the GCA of 1968 restricted guns sales by mail, due to Lee Harvey. I used to buy guns thru the mail in 1965 from Kleins, when I was 18. Mausers were like $20.00

The NFA was written in 1934, due to bad guys abusing the system..Mafia, etc. BLM is the new mafia.

No politician today wants silencers, MG's, SBRs in the hands of ANY criminals, who are ghost gun possessors, and the Constitution is not a suicide pact with itself.


The cities would be filled with gg Glocks and silencers RIGHT NOW, TODAY, if the NFA was changed by Congress...............but you do not give a shit about even 1 gun law............ as long as you get yours.

The 2nd is a restriction, not total freedom..............and originally limited gun possession to whites only.......not to slaves, criminals, women ,Spaniards, Englishmen, Tories, Canadians, etc etc.

Today women can own guns, maybe if they pass the NICS...........criminals with records cannot.............NFA items require NICS too.

DOES THAT PISS YOU OFF TOO?

There are no natural rights. Were extinguished long ago,except to eat and defecate.......and to say............... "Yes officer,"
 
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Zerex said:
Cops only enforce the laws..........not pretend that they do not exist.
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they also have a discretion on what laws to enforce

They also make up laws just to show us how powerfully dumb they are .. just following orders ..

ohhhh


Marbury vs Madison 1803 .. ALL LAWS REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION ARE INVALID ..

AND SCOTUS STILL FUCKS UP .. they are approaching the not needed category really fast

and for your answer ,...

NOPE IM NOT PISSED OFF ANY MORE .. I'M in the I DONT GIVE A FUCK GROUP NOW .. LET IT BURN ...
 
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