Things are heating up in the Donbass

[Mosinitis]

A group of 6 Ukrainian saboteurs intercepted in Bryansk region. They were sent to attack Russian railway system which they also did in the past. 3 were killed and 3 captured.
They admitted to being trained by the British and Canadian instructors.
Russia is within its right to eliminate any NATO personnel that enters Ukraine under any pretenses.

 

[Robin]

No wonder why Vlad the Mad had to bring in thousands of North Koreans to fight his unjust war, all his heroes are fake!

Russian Soldiers Fabricated Heroic Acts for Financial Rewards and Honors - czechjournal.cz

Several Russian soldiers have been caught fabricating heroic battlefield feats to secure monetary rewards and prestigious military honors, a discovery that has shaken public trust and raised serious concerns about integrity within the Russian military. An internal investigation revealed a...

www.czechjournal.cz

Pathetic.
Robin

 

[holdover]

Every army does that kind of shit , Jessica Lynch ring a bell? Pat Tillman ?

Marcus Luttrel​

 

[Robin]

You really are all in, You should go there and help your pal out, free citizenship is still in the offing.
One thing for sure, those brave Ukrainians aren't Russian, and have proved time and again they don't want to be Russians.
Robin

 

[holdover]

You really are all in, You should go there and help your pal out, free citizenship is still in the offing.
One thing for sure, those brave Ukrainians aren't Russian, and have proved time and again they don't want to be Russians.
Robin

Its not about Russians or Putin or Ukraine for me, its not about rooting for the home team . Its about right and wrong, addressing lies to the American public , its about The truth. Its about being objective and looking at the world with a critical eye , its not about team USA Rah rah rah. Its about being a ref.

I love my country, took my oath 3 times , but I dont like our crooked globalist government, and I dont like the media which has become a branch of government. And in this case I believe the Russians are correct, doesn't mean I want to live there or think they are better , I just think they are right this time

 

[Mosinitis]

You really are all in, You should go there and help your pal out, free citizenship is still in the offing.
One thing for sure, those brave Ukrainians aren't Russian, and have proved time and again they don't want to be Russians.
Robin

There are Russians and Ukrainians fighting on both sides of this conflict. For the most part these ethnic groups overlap and intermixed. Russia is proud of joined culture and history. Ukraine is hijacked by a radical minority and hate mongering outsiders who serve their own interests.

 

[Robin]

All about perspective I guess, Right, wrong, and conflation.
Robin

 

[fresch]

All that is needed is to make the war a computer game and people over the world will play and wipe out any enemy in a day. That F16 is really a drone, that tank a drone, that ship a drone.

 

[Grimscale]

All that is needed is to make the war a computer game and people over the world will play and wipe out any enemy in a day. That F16 is really a drone, that tank a drone, that ship a drone.

aka: Wargames or Ender's Game

 

[spat]

Its not about Russians or Putin or Ukraine for me, its not about rooting for the home team . Its about right and wrong, addressing lies to the American public , its about The truth. Its about being objective and looking at the world with a critical eye , its not about team USA Rah rah rah. Its about being a ref.

I love my country, took my oath 3 times , but I dont like our crooked globalist government, and I dont like the media which has become a branch of government. And in this case I believe the Russians are correct, doesn't mean I want to live there or think they are better , I just think they are right this time

Why do you think they are right ?

I don't trust our government or the media as far as I could throw them. But based on the few facts that nobody disputes, clearly Russia is the aggressor in this situation.

And before you drag out any "that's not how the Russians see it" argument, why does their viewpoint matter more than anyone else's ?

Bottom line, there was a clearly recognized international border for 25 years.

Then the Russians crossed it and conquered territory from their sovereign neighbor. Then they did it again, and again.

They didn't liberate anything, because if you liberate territory, you don't get to claim it afterwards.

Imagine if the US had decided Iraq was going to be a sovereign US territory like Puerto Rico after the war ? That would be the equivalent.

So, based solely on the decade long streak of Russian imperialism, I'm calling then the bad guys.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Every army does that kind of shit , Jessica Lynch ring a bell? Pat Tillman ?

Marcus Luttrel​

No different than going back to John Basilone in WW2.
Same thing

Do you think it's a coincidence that the navy wholeheartedly supported the original top gun and top gun Maverick?

Nope. It's all positive publicity and shaping opinions for recruiting.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Why do you think they are right ?

I don't trust our government or the media as far as I could throw them. But based on the few facts that nobody disputes, clearly Russia is the aggressor in this situation.

And before you drag out any "that's not how the Russians see it" argument, why does their viewpoint matter more than anyone else's ?

Bottom line, there was a clearly recognized international border for 25 years.

Then the Russians crossed it and conquered territory from their sovereign neighbor. Then they did it again, and again.

They didn't liberate anything, because if you liberate territory, you don't get to claim it afterwards.

Imagine if the US had decided Iraq was going to be a sovereign US territory like Puerto Rico after the war ? That would be the equivalent.

So, based solely on the decade long streak of Russian imperialism, I'm calling then the bad guys.

I don't think it's wrong or out of line to be sympathetic of the ukranian people and military but also being sympathetic to Russia.

I think the ukranian government and the west are the instigators in this mess. I don't think Putin is a great guy but I think the west likely provoked this conflict.

I have a problem with that. It's not mutually exclusive to think that the west is in the wrong but still being sympathetic to the ukranian people who are the ones doing the suffering.

And I want the US to restore relations with Russia and Putin.

 

[spat]

I don't think it's wrong or out of line to be sympathetic of the ukranian people and military but also being sympathetic to Russia.

I think the ukranian government and the west are the instigators in this mess. I don't think Putin is a great guy but I think the west likely provoked this conflict.

I have a problem with that. It's not mutually exclusive to think that the west is in the wrong but still being sympathetic to the ukranian people who are the ones doing the suffering.

And I want the US to restore relations with Russia and Putin.

I absolutely think the west is behind this.

But at the same time, Putin is the one that ordered the invasion.

He is 100% responsible for every death.

That doesn't mean that the Biden administration isn't *also* significantly responsible.

Responsibility doesn't typically add up to 100%. If 5 guys gang up to murder someone, they aren't each 20% responsible. They're *all* 100% responsible.

I would also like to see relations restored with Russia.

I don't think that's possible with Putin in charge anymore. But he's getting old, that's not too much of a limiting factor.

I think the west needs to clean it's own house of the globalist shitweasels before there can ever be a real relationship with any country that isn't controlled by them.

And I think the globalist shitweasels are a combination of willing Chinese puppets and their naive dupes.

 

[Mosinitis]

The West is using Ukraine to terrorize Russia and Ukraine is paying the price. Many in Ukraine don't see it as a good deal, including former Zelensky allies. The mood is turning and Ukraine has banned mass gatherings. Imbeciles in Brussels didn't figure that crossing the red lines would open the door for Russia to do the same and not just in Ukraine. Hybrid war is a two-way street. So is playing the game of chicken.

 

[wirehairfan]

And I think the globalist shitweasels are a combination of willing Chinese puppets and their naive dupes.

This is what I believe also

 

[Mosinitis]

High ranking member of the Ukrainian government and card carrying Nazi off to a Maidan reunion with John McCain. He was used by the West to overthrow democratically elected government in 2014 and plunged Ukraine into civil war. Assassinated in broad daylight. Most likely an inside job.



In 1991 he founded the far-right Social-National Party of Ukraine together with Oleh Tyahnybok;[11] the party combined radical nationalism and neo-Nazi features (by its name and the "Wolfsangel"-like sign).

Andriy Parubiy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

From December 2013 to February 2014 Parubiy was a commandant of Euromaidan.[20] He was coordinator of the volunteer security corps for the mainstream protesters.[21] He was then appointed Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine.[8] This appointment was approved by (then) new Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on June 16, 2014.[22]

 

[Mosinitis]

https://www.rt.com/russia/623710-ukrainian-mp-shot-video/