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As the Gaza war started in 2023, I don't really see what that has to with anything.. actually, that makes it worse.
Because of the 55 year population boom, Gaza has a higher population of children and young adults than any other any region in the world. Nearly half of the population are children (Under 18). 80% of now ~80,000 Palestinians killed since the start of the war are civilians. That number is known to significantly not count deaths not incurred by direct military operation like health service disruption, lack of food, and water and sanitation issues. 70% of Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing are women and children. None of that counts injury, as Gaza now has the most amputated children per capita in the world.
The claim was always that everything Israel has done is strictly to eliminate Hamas. There were an estimated 20k to 25k Hamas members/fighters at the start of the war, of a population of ~2.2 Million. Over 10% of Gaza's pre-war population has been killed or seriously injured as of right now, and there is no end in sight.
spat
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The most recent iteration of the war started in 2023, but the Palestinians have been yelling "genocide" for a lot longer.
I would be really interested to see where the stat on the percentage of civilians is. How do you tell a Hamas fighter from a civilian ?
And 25k Hamas according to who ? Hamas ?
If a 14 year old is shooting at an IDF soldier, then yep, kids are going to get killed.
If Hamas is using women and children as human shields, Isreal is under no obligation to spare them. In fact, the people who are outraged by that are the very ones encouraging Hamas to use them as human shields.
If you put rocket launchers on top of schools, then you're going to get women and children killed. You *cannot* allow that tactic to make the school off limits to strikes, or every school will have them.
Isreal has used more restraint in their urban warfare campaign than basically any military ever. This whole mess has dragged on as long as it has *because* of their restraint, and in the long run that has probably resulted in more deaths of innocents.
Easy enough to find that answer anyway.
CHatGPT: Question: I have read the fact that there were an estimated 20k to 25k Hamas fighters at the start of the war. Who is this according to ?
U.S. and Israeli intelligence estimates
"Some U.S. and Israeli assessments have suggested that Hamas’s armed wing (Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades)[/B] had around 20,000–25,000 active personnel before the October 7, 2023 attack. These figures are based on intelligence estimates that include trained fighters, reserve forces, and support elements."
"Summary
So when you read that Hamas had around 20,000 to 25,000 fighters at the start of the war, the statement is based on assessments by U.S. and Israeli intelligence and reporting by analysts/media, not an official count from Hamas."
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Oz PM Albanese on Dec 14th avoids any mention of the true cause of it
https://rumble.com/user/VladTepesBlog?e9s=src_v1_cbl
Oz PM Albanese on Dec 14th avoids any mention of the true cause of it
In a dizzying display of Hegelian dialectics, Albanese uses several rhetorical tricks to avoid ever pointing the finger at the people and motive that did the actual attack in Bondi Oz.
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I thought he was going to be a chump for the democrats but it turns out after his stroke got fixed his brain went back to normal and he’s no longer a far left democrat. Funny how that works is t it? If your brain works as it should you stop being a far left liberal. Someone should study that.
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My wife reported to me how on social media she’s been seeing many pro Muslim ads. They are doing a good job of winning. Many about how to wear a hijab and how participating in western culture like holiday celebrations is betraying your faith.
They can have faith, but they can’t kill folks.
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I keep hearing about right wing groups, but they don’t ever act. I’m sorry not trusting or not liking the government doesn’t make us bad people. We disagree with things but we don’t shoot people for those disagreements.
id venture a guess that over 90% of violent crimes are committed by the left at this point through gang and other tropes of violence.
I remember a while back there was a Nazi group rally at a park in Buffalo by me. My wife was all pissed off about it and wanted to go and counter protest. I said ignore them and they will go away and I wasn’t going near either side because it will be nothing but trouble. They handed out flyers and people were pissed about it. It was all over the news.
Come protest day and 3-4 Nazis showed up, they stood on a picnic table, and were chased by 100’s of counter protestors. I told the wife see no need to go and they learned their lesson. Now if they are ignored they will go away.
Yeah they are doing just fine. No worries!
Report: Israel to pay for clearing vast amounts of rubble in Gaza after U.S. pressure – NaturalNews.com
84% of Gaza lies in ruins, requiring $70 billion and generations to rebuild, with 60 million tonnes of hazardous rubble containing unexploded ordnance. After U.S. lobbying, Israel agreed to fund initial rubble clearance (starting in Rafah), costing hundreds of millions—potentially exceeding $1...
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This is what the streets of Gaza look like during the rains — an unprecedented humanitarian disaster.
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Absolutely unbearable how much Palestinians in Gaza endure. On top of two years of US-backed Israeli genocide (ongoing, Israel hasn't halted its murder of Palestinians), such fierce wind and rain that shelters are flooded or torn apart.
They could always try not killing Jews. Just a thought.Yeah they are doing just fine. No worries!
Report: Israel to pay for clearing vast amounts of rubble in Gaza after U.S. pressure – NaturalNews.com
84% of Gaza lies in ruins, requiring $70 billion and generations to rebuild, with 60 million tonnes of hazardous rubble containing unexploded ordnance. After U.S. lobbying, Israel agreed to fund initial rubble clearance (starting in Rafah), costing hundreds of millions—potentially exceeding $1...
This is what the streets of Gaza look like during the rains — an unprecedented humanitarian disaster.
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Absolutely unbearable how much Palestinians in Gaza endure. On top of two years of US-backed Israeli genocide (ongoing, Israel hasn't halted its murder of Palestinians), such fierce wind and rain that shelters are flooded or torn apart.
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It's like the attacks of October 7, when Hamas murdered more than 1,200 innocent men, women, and children, never happened to some people, they completely side-step that part of it for whatever reason.
What did the palestinians think was going to happen to them after the October 7 attacks? Doh!
Ok.. so, that's quite obviously a blatant complete fabrication.
First off, that data simply isn't there.
"No comprehensive, up-to-date tally for the entire country over just the past three weeks has been published by a major international body (UN, ICRC, etc.). That means we cannot state an exact figure for all deaths in the last three weeks with high confidence.
What sources do report for the past ~3 weeks (but not nationwide total)
1. UN documented deaths in a specific region (North Kordofan)
• The UN Human Rights Office reported that since late October (i.e., over about ~6–7 weeks) at least 269 civilians were killed in Kordofan from aerial strikes, shelling, and executions — and the real number is likely higher due to reporting limits.
The United Nations in Sudan
2. Historic UN data from earlier in the war
• A May 2025 UN statement (not in the last three weeks) said 542 civilians were killed in North Darfur over a three-week period during intense fighting there — but that was several months ago, not current.
That number is often cited in broader discussions, but it does not reflect the most recent three weeks."
As far as total deaths of the "whole war in Gaza", if one bothers to look it up , "Total deaths in Sudan’s conflict are highly uncertain and vary widely by source. Estimates range from tens of thousands to well over 100,000 since the war began in April 2023. Some analyses even put potential total deaths (including from violence, starvation, and disease) as high as 150,000 or more". This conflict started in April of 2023.
So, unless nearly ~46% (using the highest estimate of 150k) of total deaths (and that's not even "killed") happened this weekend.. yeah , no.
Even if this were true though, and not clearly silly.. so what ? Would it make something not terrible because something is worse ? As far as, "Because it doesn’t further the case of dismantling western civilization".. well, it's referring to a Civil War between two military powers in the same nation that were supposed to share power and move toward civilian rule. It is certainly a humanitarian crises for the civilian population, but it's not a litany of blatant war crimes and thinly veiled attempt at extermination of another people's civilian population. It's apples to oranges at best.
Look, I'm not saying you or anyone else here a bad person, or not intelligent, or anything like that. I think you and everyone else here is generally a good person, and mostly intelligent people, just trying to get by in a world with crazy 'information' being thrown against all the walls. That said, I mean, just.. maybe look some stuff up before deferring to some internet rando called Insurrection Barbie, you feel me ?
This is all why I stay out of Political threads...heh
The problem with stuff like this is that no one saying these things seems to bother learning anything about the Palestinian culture and people or who 'they' do or don't want to kill. It's just primarily based on assumptions and, quite frankly, the arrogance of Americans to go by headlines and think we're right about everything we assume.
You saying, "What did the Palestinians think was going to happen"..man, this isn't personal, but that's such a shitty take and so incredibly insulting to an entire people. We could go on and on about this, but as I stated earlier in this thread, according to US and Israeli intelligence reports, there were as many as 25k active Hamas fighters, reserve forces, and support elements." That's ONE percent of the Palestinian population. Should you and yours be subject to the horrors of blatant and celebrated war crimes for something that was done by 1% of the population ? We can't know exactly what percentage of 2.2 million people would support something like what Hamas did, but we do have data (Source: Arab Barometer survey, considered a central resource for quantitative research on the Middle East, just for one) that suggests only 25% of Palestinians even supported "ANY form of armed resistance“ as a preferred solution to the conflict prior to October 7th. Now, I'd sure be willing to bet that "any form of armed resistance" does not generally include something like the Hamas attack, wouldn't you ? 80% of deaths are civilians, and huge percent of that civilian women and children. Do you think that even a statistically relevant portion of those just "wanted to kill Jews" ? If so, do you really consider yourself to be knowledgeable about Palestinian culture and thought to make that claim ? C'mon now. I sure don't.
No one is saying to discount the suffering caused by Hamas on Oct. 7th, but I'd say that to anyone, with any morality and care for humans in general, that doesn't in any way, by just throwing it out there, justify the deaths of ~65000 (civilians only) and well over a million (who knows how many) people suffering terribly, starving, being put in camps, with no medical facilities to go to, who we CAN say that ~75% of didn't even support armed resistance at all, let alone attacks.
When you generalize and dismiss an entire people so disrespectfully, that you (and I) know so little about, with statements like that.. fellas, that's just so shitty and heartless to so much suffering.
I think we got a rather revealing insight into "Palestinian culture" when all those people demonstrated in the streets of gaza after the attacks of October 7. You make it sound like there is a very small number of terrorists while the rest of gaza is just poor, hardworking souls horribly abused by those mean 'ol Jews.
I call bullshit. We saw with our eyes the death that was inflicted on October 7 and the cheering in the streets. The Palestinians made a choice. They chose poorly and don't like the consequences. Israel came to the correct conclusion there can be no peace as long as a hamas run state exists in gaza. It won't be pleasant.
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Thats a pretty big pill to swallow , I find that extremely hard to believe.
Now I dont doubt that at all, But that doesnt make them anti semite. Anti Zionist maybe .
I dont agree with the Isreali government myself. that doesnt make me an anti semite by default.
spat
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If you're chanting "from the river to the sea", or "globalize the infatada", you're explicitly calling for a genocide or the jews.
Doesn't get much more anti-semetic than that.
Those are both pretty popular slogans among the college crowd.
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Understood, but its a slogan from Palestine itself, they are showing support . I bet half these blue hair kids dont even know what it means.
and for them to actually stand behind what they say pick up a gun and murder someone they dont know because of race alone is so far fetched . They have no skin in the game.
The ""tolerant"" left ? the only people they hate is the white man , I know what your saying, But I dont think these liberal kids are really anti semetic
Anti zionist yes
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All of this violence around the world...
I am as close to an Isolationist as they come. Just think, if all people just stayed in there country, stay in your place...
So much of this violence would not exist.
I remember growing up in and around the buffalo area. There was a section for this people, another one for that people and so on. Much less violence when people stay where they belong.
If you are a quest in another country, kind of like the people that live in Gaza, you live in the Country of Israel, show some respect.
I am as close to an Isolationist as they come. Just think, if all people just stayed in there country, stay in your place...
So much of this violence would not exist.
I remember growing up in and around the buffalo area. There was a section for this people, another one for that people and so on. Much less violence when people stay where they belong.
If you are a quest in another country, kind of like the people that live in Gaza, you live in the Country of Israel, show some respect.
Don't think women and children did that.
Anti-Goyism is hatred of ALL non-Jews (Gentiles), Christians, Muslims, etc, it is VERY real and is promoted violently in the Jewish Talmud (their Bible). For centuries, Jewish communities were expelled from dozens of countries—often with official decrees citing usury, deceit, or social unrest. Mel Gibson was right!
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Guess again.
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While I agree with Hex and not being able to prove this and some of what he said above. This is true in a sense. Muslims are slaughtering Christian’s all over Africa. Not a word about it on the news. We all know the left loves the Muslims and hates Christian’s so we all know why they are doing it. The media and the left doesn’t want the Muslims looking bad to the westerners because they are coming to our countries. I will say not all of them are bad people and in fact I’d argue most are good people. I live not too far from an area that is heavily Muslim and it’s not hard to tell the good from the hardliners.
It's not just the media and the left. U.S. government under both Republican and Democrat administrations consistently sided with militant Islamists around the world. Afghanistan before and after Soviet invasion, Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Libya, Egypt, Syria, I am sure I am missing a few other places. Abu Mohammed al-Julani was the leader of AlQaeda in Syria with millions of dollars of bounty on his head. He was recently embraced and praised by Trump. WTF?
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There is no anti-Goyim hatred among Jews as a group and it's very rare even on individual level. There is anti-Goyim bias, mistrust and for good reasons. On the other side of the coin, there is a tendency from gentiles to judge all Jews by the lowest common denominator. Jews are not the only minority that was persecuted. Most minorities were persecuted throughout history, Jews were more spread around the world and lived in many countries.
I am not a religious scholar, but there are laws in Jewish religion to treat Jews and gentiles equally in a number of areas, employment for example.
The gazans didn't show any reluctance to kill women or children or celebrate their death. FAFO.
spat
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The problem is that you staying in your place doesn't mean they will stay in theirs.
We are the most prosperous and powerful nation. Lots of people will hate us for that alone.
It's the global version of the "eat the rich" slogan. It's also basic human nature. Envy is a powerful amd seductive emotion, and many people let it drive their lives.
The 9/11 attackers wouldn't have done any less if we were hard core isolationists.
Most of the left wing crybabies who have been conducting terror attacks here aren't suffering from American intervention, they just hate us for being successful.
Look at Musk. They hate him with a passion now, they are certain he must have gotten rich by oppressing someone, the idea that someone could get rich without doing that is blasphemy to them.
His net worth spiked up recently because of the announcement of the SpaceX IPO. He's 150 billion dollars richer than he was a couple weeks ago. To many on the left, he must have murdered a small country to do that, not just announced that some stock was going to be sold.
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Most antisemitism is rooted in ignorance. Not sure why those spoiled brats should get a pass for theirs.