The deliberately hidden history of slavery in Central and South America,

[CaseHardened]

The sad tale of Slavery in the USA, and the killing of Indians, seems to consume the Internet.

But the far more extreme enslavement and murder of an entire continent by Spain and Portugal is conveniently overlooked.

And when the Conquistadors finally realized they had killed too many, they imported more Africans than the USA ever did!

https://gallery.library.vanderbilt.edu/exhibits/show/tracing-movement/forced-migration

The Portuguese empire imported the highest number of slaves from Africa among all the countries engaged in the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Old Slaves ? Sick Slaves ? They remained very useful.

The Conquistadors used inventive methods of mass torture as a spectacle - ENTERTAINMENT.

15 Brutal Ways Conquistadors Killed Native People

Spanish conquistadors fought and explored their way through the Americas in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries. In their wake, they left destroyed empires and millions of lives lost. But beyond the pure number of people slain, what is most disturbing are the horrific ways conquistadors murdered...

www.ranker.com

It's rather sad this history is never taught to children in either South nor North America.

But the transgressions of America are lit up with spotlights !

 

[CaseHardened]

Although slaves in the American South also led brutal lives, there is no record of public spectacles of mass torture.

Yes, I suppose Hangings and Whippings do qualify as such, but are "mild" in contrast.

A slaveowner would be shunned if they were caught engaging in Satanic cruelties.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I really wish I had a slave or three.

 

[CaseHardened]

But I'll bet your first instinct would not be to kill them.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

But I'll bet your first instinct would not be to kill them.

I would treat them like family. They would just work very hard.

 

[GOPerfect]

Slavery in the West was the worst mistake ever. Not because slavery is a bad thing either.

 

[Xae289]

Firstly, you're conflating slavery and the wars of conquest. The first link is a good source with good info. Your second source is a garbage Ranker listicle that takes the cruel deeds of a few of the more depraved conquerors like Pizarro and tries to make it seem like their actions were more normal than outlier. You can see it in the people. There are Latin American areas where almost the entire population has mostly or at least a fair amount of Native American blood. There's less of that in the U.S. where most of the Natives were either exterminated or forcibly moved and segregated. Canada has a bit more Native American presence, and Jamaica has almost none with lots of African heritage. Anglo and Latin colonists had different styles of colonization. In Latin America the Native people were generally conquered and incorporated as subjects of the Spanish or Portuguese Empires if they didn't get wiped out in the conquest. In Anglo America, the Native people were treated as separate nations, not to be conquered and subjugated, but to be driven off the land and the land resettled by Anglos.

Indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To go back slavery, the scale and cruelty of the slavery depended on the local economy more than anything. Where you had massive sugar and coffee plantations, you were more likely to see larger-scale, more dehumanizing, and crueler slavery. French Haiti stands out as a jaw-dropping example of how evil it can be on a mass scale, but similar situations existed in the rest of the Caribbean like Anglo Jamaica, Spanish Cuba and Santo Domingo, or down in parts of Portuguese Brazil.

The U.S. didn't have a huge sugar cane plantation economy outside of Louisiana where it was mostly inherited from the colonial French economy. The U.S. didn't have massive scale plantation crops that could compare with sugarcane until cotton. Cotton only became that big of a crop when the cotton gin came around. By then the U.S. was already independent. It had an anti-slavery political movement, banned U.S. shipping from participating in the slave trade that same year, and banned the import of slaves from Africa like a decade after the cotton gin was invented, but before the cotton production industry really blew up. That made the U.S. pretty unique in that its massive plantation economy only really started after slavery was already on its way out and it couldn't import tons of new slaves every year to throw into the meat grinder. Instead it mostly relied on getting the slaves that were already here to give birth to as many children as possible so the children could then be born into slavery.

If your point is "the U.S. wasn't bad because look at how bad these Spanish and Portuguese monsters were", that's some Black Legend BS that falls flat on its face. If your point is that libtards are morons because they point to the U.S. as uniquely evil, then yes, I agree, libtards are idiots in uniquely condemning the U.S. for practices that were horrible. The real truth is that every civilization is built on a foundation of blood and every group in the world can be driven to do horrible things given the right conditions. Some ideologies lend themselves to be better or worse, and in the grand scheme of things the U.S. has been pretty damned positive in the balance since it's been an independant country.

 

[spat]

I really wish I had a slave or three.

Musk is working on it, but they'll be called "AI robots"

For once when the proponents say "they're not really human", they'll be right.

But, we absolutely need to decide how smart an AI needs to be before it has rights long before we get to that line.

 

[tirwin1]

Musk is working on it, but they'll be called "AI robots"

For once when the proponents say "they're not really human", they'll be right.

But, we absolutely need to decide how smart an AI needs to be before it has rights long before we get to that line.

Speaking for myself I will never have an AI robot. Ever.

 

[CaseHardened]

My anger is primarily focused on Mexicans who point fingers at the USA for our brief and limited history of slavery.

I would be shocked if AOC and her ilk have any knowledge of the atrocities her own people perpetrated.

Of course what was done to the American Indian was wrong. Especially the civilized Cherokee. But many Indians were very primitive. Which does not justify their mistreatment.

On the other hand Central and South America was largely CIVILIZED. Cortes famously said the city of the Aztec was more beautiful and impressive than any in Europe.

And the stonework and rope bridges of the Inca! Let alone their marvelous tiered farms and metalwork in gold and silver.

Garcilaso de la Vega, famous early chronicler of the Inca, wrote when the Conquistadors arrived, Peru was a Heaven peopled by Angels. Everyone was fed, clothed, housed. Crime was non-existent. No one locked their doors; there was no need.

But afterwards it was as if Satan had arrived.

AOC's ancestors did this.

 

[CaseHardened]

Many decry the Human Sacrifices of the Aztec.

But forget the Bible records many European Civilizations that had very similar practices, including Carthage, Babylonia, even Rome. The prophet Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac on God's order ... later rescinded. But I'm betting this was not a unique occurrence to the culture at the time.

And the Aztec had religion as a justification. The Conquistadors killed for fun. Many of the worst tortures were written down by the Christian Missionaries in an attempt to get the King to stop them. To no avail.

 

[spat]

Speaking for myself I will never have an AI robot. Ever.

I will never *trust* them, but I sure as shit wouldn't be shoveling my own driveway once they are available.

 

[CaseHardened]

The vast majority of slavery in America was simple economics. Cruelty for the sake of cruelty was uncommon, and financially senseless. Keep your slaves healthy and they will work more.

Sick and elderly slaves were freed, then sent to live (or die) in shacks in the woods. Ideally relatives would bring them a scrap or two to eat. But they were never killed to amuse the master.

In nearby Salem, MA, a Caribbean Slave was held by a Minister. Her name was Tituba. Her job was to do household chores, which everyone was doing. The Minister and his wife were no idle Lords and Ladies. Tituba also was trusted with watching and playing with the children. A slave, but not a terrible life. Sadly, Tituba was accused of being a Witch, and was sold. Her history is lost.

Yet, ironically, being a slave gave her life value. Similar women were of no value and were hung.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I think there is still some form of slavery in Puerto Rico. A couple of the guys that used to work for me would occasionally reference 'the slavers' back home.

 

[livingston]

I think there is still some form of slavery in Puerto Rico. A couple of the guys that used to work for me would occasionally reference 'the slavers' back home.

There has been and still is slavery all over the world folks.

 

[spat]

Slavery in the West was the worst mistake ever. Not because slavery is a bad thing either.

Slavery is like cocaine.

You think it's letting you get a lot more work done, but what it's really doing is locking your society onto a dead end path to ruin.

 

[CaseHardened]

Slavery is like cocaine.

You think it's letting you get a lot more work done, but what it's really doing is locking your society onto a dead end path to ruin.

Another inevitable result is the average citizen suffers from reduced wages and unemployment due to the work being done by slaves at lower cost. This happened in Rome and the USA.

I will concede finding enough people to work the mines in Peru may have been difficult; emphasis on may have been.

Europe has been economically depressed for many centuries. Conquistadors found it very easy to enlist soldiers, as a great many men had no other employment and no future in Europe.

Pay them enough, and they'd mine.

 

[Bigfoot]

A few years ago, I got bored with doing yard work and wanted to do something fun instead.

So I asked the people who were over visiting at my house and drinking my cold beer if any of them knew where I could buy a Mexican?

They all give me a dirty look, including my wife. Shit, C'mon man, I was half kidding. Sheesh.