Trump and DOJ screw gun owners again by urging the SC not to take up case where non-violent felons can have guns

[Saltwater60]

I really would have liked to have had this case heard. I think this is a very important one. This women’s cashed a bad check for $500 nearly 20 years ago and she can’t have a gun as a result. Come on and this is a joke. The DOJ said not to take up the case because they have a mechanism to restore this womens gun rights under certain circumstances. Well that’s just great but what happens in a few years when she’s not there? Wanna be hero’s screw us again.

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www.reuters.com

 

[FP1201]

I hope and somewhat trust there IS a much bigger plan, we'll have to wait and see, otherwise I wholly agree that many with Felonies should not carry that sentence throughout the rest of their lives...Again, I find it ironic or perhaps duplicitous that the Left wants to restore a Felon's Right to Vote (which isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights) while the Right to Arms is.

 

[Cooolone]

Justice Thomas has commented on this type of scenario before... It is and should be reviewed and ruled on. Regardless of the outcome!

 

[Parzival]

It’s my dream to get on the jury of a felon in possession case and nullify the jury.

 

[Old Jalopy]

Wait. Didn't Trump just do this for DC? Convicted felons of not violent crimes can have thier gun rights restored? Or was that just for him?

 

[Saltwater60]

I hope and somewhat trust there IS a much bigger plan, we'll have to wait and see, otherwise I wholly agree that many with Felonies should not carry that sentence throughout the rest of their lives...Again, I find it ironic or perhaps duplicitous that the Left wants to restore a Felon's Right to Vote (which isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bill of Rights) while the Right to Arms is.

I’m sick of hearing of the plans they have. I want some results and some rights back. What NYS has done to us and has been allowed to do is egregious.

 

[FP1201]

Wait. Didn't Trump just do this for DC? Convicted felons of not violent crimes can have their gun rights restored? Or was that just for him?

Was it? I hadn't heard either point.
There is Judicial Relief that can be applied for by Felons...Kid that shot Trap with us had gotten into trouble with weed years back and they ruined his life with a Felony conviction, but he petitioned the Court for relief and they granted it, so now he can own guns, hunt, and vote.
I'm not of the "soft on crime" mind set, but NY loves to slap felonies on everything they can then allowing the charges to be plea bargained down just to get a conviction, and still be set free (unless you've got money they can extort out of you) Justice is all about the money no matter what's used to hide it.

 

[Old Jalopy]

Was it? I hadn't heard either point.
There is Judicial Relief that can be applied for by Felons...Kid that shot Trap with us had gotten into trouble with weed years back and they ruined his life with a Felony conviction, but he petitioned the Court for relief and they granted it, so now he can own guns, hunt, and vote.
I'm not of the "soft on crime" mind set, but NY loves to slap felonies on everything they can then allowing the charges to be plea bargained down just to get a conviction, and still be set free (unless you've got money they can extort out of you) Justice is all about the money no matter what's used to hide it.

I wasn't sure. I remember he did want the restoration of rights for non-violent felons, and I stated when I read it. "Sure, because HE'S a felon who wants his guns back!".

Here's a few links from last year:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5205204-justice-department-gun-rights-criminal-convictions/

Thanks to Trump and Bondi, Non-Violent Offenders Will Once Again Have an Opportunity to Get Their Gun Rights Back

Despite the hysteria from the gun control industry, relief under restoration of gun rights was available from 1968 to 1992, so restarting the program under the DOJ isn’t breaking any new ground.

www.shootingnewsweekly.com

Trump DOJ Reviving Gun Restoration Program for Convicted Felons

The Trump administration plans to revive a long-dormant program that allows a class of people including convicted felons and people with domestic violence misdemeanors to apply to regain their firearm rights.

news.bloomberglaw.com

So, seems I was right. He got his rights back and now says screw the rest of the people he gave hope to. That's a RINO move right there! He's promised a lot to restore and protect our rights, but hasn't done a damn thing in reality that amounts to jack shit. Remove taxes for silencers? That's a drop in the ocean and not a big win for the average gun owner.
Trumps no friend to us, he's proven that in his last term by not keeping 2A statements, and even more so in this term. He's going to do nothing of value for gun owners. I wish I was wrong, but the proof is in the pudding, and this thread is part of that proof. What happened to this "special section" to address/investigate states like NY, MA, CT, NJ, and douches like Hochul who are taking our rights all the time? They haven't done squat either. More and more gun control is popping up, and in states that used to be free. It was supposed to be stopped, yet here we are.

NY is a prime example:
Having to look for a week to find documentation on if an MSR grip is legal in NY. Or drop $200 to make an MSR into a bolt gun. Or, my wife and I having to go in the near future and get semi-auto rifle permits because if one of us passes away the other has to surrender firearms without it. Not just us, a lot of people. If you own a 10/22, 7400/740, Browning BAR, or any other semi auto rifle, and you die, whoever you leave them too has to have that license to take possession of them. Little thing most don't realize right there, those people would be taking possession/ownership after the 9/22 deadline.
You would think with his hatred off all things NY politics with all they put him through, he would at least be hammering things home here.

Sorry for the tangent. I expect people to be good to their word, especially the President.

 

[FP1201]

I wasn't sure. I remember he did want the restoration of rights for non-violent felons, and I stated when I read it. "Sure, because HE'S a felon who wants his guns back!".

Here's a few links from last year:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5205204-justice-department-gun-rights-criminal-convictions/

Thanks to Trump and Bondi, Non-Violent Offenders Will Once Again Have an Opportunity to Get Their Gun Rights Back

Despite the hysteria from the gun control industry, relief under restoration of gun rights was available from 1968 to 1992, so restarting the program under the DOJ isn’t breaking any new ground.

www.shootingnewsweekly.com

Trump DOJ Reviving Gun Restoration Program for Convicted Felons

The Trump administration plans to revive a long-dormant program that allows a class of people including convicted felons and people with domestic violence misdemeanors to apply to regain their firearm rights.

news.bloomberglaw.com

So, seems I was right. He got his rights back and now says screw the rest of the people he gave hope to. That's a RINO move right there! He's promised a lot to restore and protect our rights, but hasn't done a damn thing in reality that amounts to jack shit. Remove taxes for silencers? That's a drop in the ocean and not a big win for the average gun owner.
Trumps no friend to us, he's proven that in his last term by not keeping 2A statements, and even more so in this term. He's going to do nothing of value for gun owners. I wish I was wrong, but the proof is in the pudding, and this thread is part of that proof. What happened to this "special section" to address/investigate states like NY, MA, CT, NJ, and douches like Hochul who are taking our rights all the time? They haven't done squat either. More and more gun control is popping up, and in states that used to be free. It was supposed to be stopped, yet here we are.

NY is a prime example:
Having to look for a week to find documentation on if an MSR grip is legal in NY. Or drop $200 to make an MSR into a bolt gun. Or, my wife and I having to go in the near future and get semi-auto rifle permits because if one of us passes away the other has to surrender firearms without it. Not just us, a lot of people. If you own a 10/22, 7400/740, Browning BAR, or any other semi auto rifle, and you die, whoever you leave them too has to have that license to take possession of them. Little thing most don't realize right there, those people would be taking possession/ownership after the 9/22 deadline.
You would think with his hatred off all things NY politics with all they put him through, he would at least be hammering things home here.

Sorry for the tangent. I expect people to be good to their word, especially the President.

First off, POTUS represents ALL of us, and irrespective your feelings towards his accomplishments or lack there of are irrelative until his term expires, We want everything our way as do the democrats of the Left: there has to be a balance, there are specific steps to changing and adhering to Law and the Constitution.



Second, start another thread covering your "prime examples" as I believe you have some misunderstandings over the current Laws covering MSR's and Semi-automatics in NY.

 

[Zerex]

20 million felons in USA..................no guns forever.

60 million + misdemeanor convictions like for DV..............no guns forever.

That's a lot of unarmed people.

 

[Zerex]

Since we have over 60 million persons convicted of crimes that deny them firearms............. why split hairs on who was violent and who was not. A DV conviction on yelling at your wife is a violent conviction.

Too many p[eople own guns for criminal purposes and who own them illegally and they ain't MAGA............they be BLM, Illegals, Jihadi's, drug dealers, etc

We don't live in a vacuum....the Constitution is not a suicde pact with itself................in the beginning here, it was government by the Rich, Well born and able...................women, indians, criminals, the insane and Brits/Canadians, Slaves etc could not own guns or vote.


We are surrounded by violent Biden type people, and I do not want any of them owning a gun, as it gives me a leg up on them.

If you have to secretly own a gun.............that is on you, and your 3rd cousin who beat his wife.

No guns for Democrats, is the best rule of all.................like the first days so the Consititution.............no guns for women, slaves, criminals, indians, and the insane drug user.

NYS did it with the Sullivan Acts and Safe Act................ laws that screws over indians, felons, women, drug users, and misdemeanor convictees..............Good on us.....................bad on the democrats who shot themselves and all of their constituents in the foot, preventing them arming up like the Indian nations did, vs us in the Revolution.

The Clinton Sullivan Campaign of 1777, fixed them with the Safe Act of 1777.

No guns for "Din do Nuttin", Jonny wife beater, drug user dealer, etc etc.

 

[Old Jalopy]

First off, POTUS represents ALL of us, and irrespective your feelings towards his accomplishments or lack there of are irrelative until his term expires, We want everything our way as do the democrats of the Left: there has to be a balance, there are specific steps to changing and adhering to Law and the Constitution.



Second, start another thread covering your "prime examples" as I believe you have some misunderstandings over the current Laws covering MSR's and Semi-automatics in NY.

Really. Irrelevant? Then so are you and every other American. What a completely stupid and arrogant thing to say. You want to suck Trumps **** have at it dude. I personally hold people, all of them to what they say they will do. ALL OF THEM. Jesus man.

 

[Bigfoot]

Did this thread just take a turn to the gay side?

Suck **** and dude should never be in the same sentence.
nOt tHaT tHeRe iS aNyThInG wRoNg wItH tHaT.

 

[Saltwater60]

First off, POTUS represents ALL of us, and irrespective your feelings towards his accomplishments or lack there of are irrelative until his term expires, We want everything our way as do the democrats of the Left: there has to be a balance, there are specific steps to changing and adhering to Law and the Constitution.



Second, start another thread covering your "prime examples" as I believe you have some misunderstandings over the current Laws covering MSR's and Semi-automatics in NY.

Nope, that’s BS that the department of justice will handle this instead of letting the Supreme Court decided it. When those in the DOJ are gone so is their approval of allowing nonviolent felons to get guns back. What happens to the people that already had their gun rights back through the DOJ process? Will this be valid if the democrats are back in charge and would it hold up in NYS? The right thing to do is to have the Supreme Court decide it unless they knew they would rule against us.

 

[FP1201]

Nope, that’s BS that the department of justice will handle this instead of letting the Supreme Court decided it. When those in the DOJ are gone so is their approval of allowing nonviolent felons to get guns back. What happens to the people that already had their gun rights back through the DOJ process? Will this be valid if the democrats are back in charge and would it hold up in NYS? The right thing to do is to have the Supreme Court decide it unless they knew they would rule against us.

Presumably, the DoJ and other Cabinet Secretaries operate at the Pleasure of the President and therefor follow his lead and edicts.
SCOTUS hears what the Justices decide is worthy of their time and consideration, likewise DOJ decides what to pursuit and what to avoid, and in the vein sometimes they would rather capitulate to one Case rather than allow a challenge to the whole Law...I think this is what NYS does to viable challenges to its Laws, especially Gun Laws.

 

[Zerex]

"As long as you get yours"..................is a suicidal gang mentality.

No guns for bad guys..................bad for a factual reason.

At least NYS is protecting us from------------ MG armed BLM, Antifa, Hamas and LBGTQ trans killers.
I sleep better knowing this

 

[FP1201]

"As long as you get yours"..................is a suicidal gang mentality.

No guns for bad guys..................bad for a factual reason.

At least NYS is protecting us from------------ MG armed BLM, Antifa, Hamas and LBGTQ trans killers.
I sleep better knowing this

Subjective
How "bad" does a bad guy have to be before he's stripped of his Constitutional Rights, and why only specified Rights and not all of them?
NYS has forces in place to Protect us (they have Families too) but here are also they cannot be everywhere all the time and there are limitations to their intrusiveness.
Persons that simply voice a threat are treated as though they actually committed the act...remember when Suicide was a crime?
So because some fear the possibility of radicals committing mass-murder with MG's, I should not be allowed to exercise my freedoms and Rights? Perhaps I might have to use a MG to prevent/stop a massive or even singular murder...not much different than being limited to "Ten Rounds" while defending my Home and Family from multiple intruders...What was that about being charged with Rape since I have a Penis?

 

[Zerex]

The MG law was passed in NYS back in the 1930's due to the abuse of the Thompson and BAR, by well meaning, "good ol boys." Just havin' some fun.

The Sullivan laws were passed, because of the national wave of anarchists, like who who shot Pres McKinley, and the Irish who were misbehavin' at the time..............still in place today.

My Grandfather, who died in 1958 had one of the first pistol permits in NYS. My son has the gun...........a 1914 Colt 1911 that came from the NYG where he was a Captain before WWI.


You gotta have the long haul knowledge, and know the history. Was not written last week.

 

[GOPerfect]

The court refused to hear the case because she, and others like her has a path to regain these rights lost.

In Utah, a felon can regain gun rights primarily by obtaining a pardon from the Board of Pardons and Paroles or by getting the conviction expunged. A "402 reduction" to lower the felony to a misdemeanor can also eliminate firearm restrictions. Rights are generally restored if a person has not committed a new felony in five years and the conviction was not a violent crime or Class A felony

 

[Saltwater60]

The court refused to hear the case because she, and others like her has a path to regain these rights lost.

In Utah, a felon can regain gun rights primarily by obtaining a pardon from the Board of Pardons and Paroles or by getting the conviction expunged. A "402 reduction" to lower the felony to a misdemeanor can also eliminate firearm restrictions. Rights are generally restored if a person has not committed a new felony in five years and the conviction was not a violent crime or Class A felony

But why not rule and make it standard across the USA. This girl lost her gun rights for a bad check? If that was NY it would be tough to get your rights back. It’s also time consuming and costly.

 

[GOPerfect]

But why not rule and make it standard across the USA. This girl lost her gun rights for a bad check? If that was NY it would be tough to get your rights back. It’s also time consuming and costly.

I do not disagree. But....

Pistol permits and ownership is different in every state.

Should not be, but it is.

The entire system would need to reworked to a federal standard and not one person in DC wants this.

 

[REF]

Not incarcerated- you should be able to own a gun regardless of your past

If you cannot be trusted owning a firearm….. you should not be in society and should be incarcerated


In other words if you served time for a violent offense and have been released, you should be able to own a gun. If you cannot be trusted with a gun , they should have never released you into society. Pretty cut and dry

 

[Saltwater60]

Not incarcerated- you should be able to own a gun regardless of your past

If you cannot be trusted owning a firearm….. you should not be in society and should be incarcerated


In other words if you served time for a violent offense and have been released, you should be able to own a gun. If you cannot be trusted with a gun , they should have never released you into society. Pretty cut and dry

I get this line of thinking but then we are forced to keep every violent person in jail. I’m not sure this is best, but I get the argument that if we are worried about them they should not be released. We will never get there in any state or county in the USA. They will routinely release unsafe people. We also know many felonies are plead down.
I think a reasonable compromise is a certain amount of time after release with a violent felony. This should be automatic and not a huge process to jump through with lawyers and such.