Apparently you're also anti-literate if you claim that I have "faith."
That's like saying atheism is a religion.
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That's like saying atheism is a religion.
holdover
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No, its like saying you have faith that the scientific methods are indisputable an incorruptible.
There are huge number of people who believe global warming is an indisputable fact because a vast majority of scientists say it is, unless you question those facts , You will never know it. ( Not saying you) That is faith.
As scientific explanation of the big bang is excepted as fact , that something caused nothing to explode is faith , not science. That life sprang from rocks and water over millions of years is pretty funny , and it cant be duplicated in a lab requires faith.
We have a lack of information concerning our origin's, its that simple. Nobody, not religion or science knows what happened. Yet people like yourself have faith that science is all knowing Is total bullshit.
There are huge number of people who believe global warming is an indisputable fact because a vast majority of scientists say it is, unless you question those facts , You will never know it. ( Not saying you) That is faith.
As scientific explanation of the big bang is excepted as fact , that something caused nothing to explode is faith , not science. That life sprang from rocks and water over millions of years is pretty funny , and it cant be duplicated in a lab requires faith.
We have a lack of information concerning our origin's, its that simple. Nobody, not religion or science knows what happened. Yet people like yourself have faith that science is all knowing Is total bullshit.
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holdover
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Im not religious myself , but I am not hostile to those who are. You ALWAYS have a smart ass remark for anyone mentioning religion , Which is why I said what I said.
Robin
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Just like liberalism, it is a faith based on falsehoods.
Robin
Faith is a belief without evidence. Hence religious faith.
Robin
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Exactly, and you have no evidence, just faith.
Robin
Robin
I have no evidence of what?
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That no God existed. You have no evidence but rather faith that one never existed. For the record, I do too and have the same faith as you.
Nobody has made any claim that no God has ever existed.
The only people making a claim ate those stating "there is a God." The burden of proof is on them. The rejection of that hypothesis is atheism. Atheism is not a belief that no God of Gods exists. It is a rejection of the unfounded claim that one does.
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You can reject that one did but you are still going on faith that there wasn't one unless you have proof that one didn't.
It is impossible to prove a negative. Therefore the argument "prove there isn't a God" is a pointless endeavor that those of any religious faith use to confound the infidels and heathens.
One can no more prove the existence of a god anymore than they can prove how many lives they saved by getting out of bed this morning and having a cup of coffee. One can no more disprove the exesistance of a god anymore then they can disprove how many lives they saved by getting out of bed and drinking that coffee either.
Because I woke up this morning 10 lives were saved. Can anyone disprove that statement? Can anyone prove that statement?
One can no more prove the existence of a god anymore than they can prove how many lives they saved by getting out of bed this morning and having a cup of coffee. One can no more disprove the exesistance of a god anymore then they can disprove how many lives they saved by getting out of bed and drinking that coffee either.
Because I woke up this morning 10 lives were saved. Can anyone disprove that statement? Can anyone prove that statement?
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Incorrect.
I have a gold plated Tommy gun in my garage.
You don't accept that claim.
Well prove I don't.
No
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. In addition, any claim made without evidence can be rejected without any.
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There are plenty of people who make a claim that no god exists. I would say the majority of Atheists mak that claim.
In fact, while we have had this discussion before, I believe agnostic is the proper term for those who don't claim to know for sure if god exists, and Atheist is for those who believe god doesn't exist.
The "pastafarians" have made an entire "religion" out of mocking people who think one might. Certaintly all the mocking of religious folks cant come from someone who thinks they *could* be right ?
Atheism deals with a belief in a god or Gods.
Agnosticism deals with knowledge.
They are not mutually exclusive.
The flying spaghetti monster is mocking people that don't understand the definition of words, or how a burden of proof works.
spat
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Belief and knowledge are not the separate things you seem to think they are. Belief without knowledge is faith. Faith is acknowledging that you know you can't prove something, but you believe it all the same. Mocking people of faith because they can't prove what they believe is just wrong, they freely admit they can't prove it.
Robin
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Wrong again.
Faith is belief without, often in spite of, evidence.
That's it.
If I drop a pencil off of the table, I doing have faith that it will fall down. I accept that it will based on evidence.
I mock them because they do not understand logic, but feel the need to make laws and policies based on their imagination.
spat
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Mock them all you want, but at least their assertion is provable in theory. The atheist zealots have faith in a proposition that is provably unprovable.
There has never been even a religious hypothesis in history that could even be falsifiable.
It's impossible to prove a negative, as was already explained, but that's irrelevant. If you wan't a list of proven theories that skeptics often deal with, I'd be happy to discuss that.
spat
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If one of the religious sects is right, we will all have proof eventually.
If the atheist zealots are right the universe will end before there is proof.
Ok, clearly you don't understand the definition, so I'll lay it out one more time.
Atheism literally means "not " theism. Theism is a belief in a god. Atheism is a lack of that belief. Or makes no claims whatsoever. As such, there is nothing to prove, and no such thing as an atheist zealot.
If you get baffled by simple definitions of the English language, I can understand the belief in mysticism.
spat
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What you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge is thst there are many atheists who disagree with you, and specifically believe there is no god. These are the ones I refer to as zealots.
You seem to think that all atheists are agnostics, which is not true.
I'm well aware there are gnostic atheists out there. I tend to agree with them as well, having heard many interesting discussions on the subject, but I'm just not fully in that camp.
And zealots is a lie, as I've never seen one not make a justification IN RESPONSE to an outlandish claim made by a theist. It doesn't even make sense on it's face.
spat
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Anyone who wants a 10 commandments monument torn down "because god" is a zealot.
Luckily literally nobody does. Why would an atheist say anything was because "of god" when they don't believe in one?
They have no place in a public institution, as per something far more important and based in reality: The 10 Amendments.
A zealot would be someone that would make up a lie like "this country was founded on Christianity" to force taxpayers to pay for and populate places where such statues that have no place whatsoever exist.
And the religious zealots know this, because erect a Quran in front of a court house and see how they react.
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I have seen Jesus. He works in Houston right now.
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holdover
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Big bang theory faith , Life started from rocks and water, faith . There is absolutely no proof either are true. It requires faith in the scientific method .Only The scientific method is not properly applied in this case.
Adaptation of animals is 100% provable, observable and can be seen in nature. Evolution goes beyond that with ""interpretations"" of what may have happened . It cannot be proven hence faith.
faith
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noun: faith
Adaptation of animals is 100% provable, observable and can be seen in nature. Evolution goes beyond that with ""interpretations"" of what may have happened . It cannot be proven hence faith.
faith
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noun: faith
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complete trust or confidence in someone or something
Demonstrably wrong.
Don't know anybody that thinks that. Neither do you, you'd just being intellectually dishonest.
Except the overwhelming evidence that must exist for one to even be considered a scientific "theory." Evolution is a fact.
No such thing.
In the case that you think it has anything to do with "faith?" Correct, you applied it incorrectly, hence you are wrong.
Except, again, the overwhelming evidence freely available to everyone that proves the theory of evolution.
You conveniently left out the second, only relevant, definition in this case.:
2.strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
I'll mock the shit out of anyone wanting to deny rights to others based on nonsense and complete lack of understanding of even the English language.
I don't have all of the answers either. Therefor I don't make absurd claims such as "God did it" and then force others to play along, even when strictly prohibited by law.