Nanook145
.40 S&W
It will definitely pass the house. The real question is as to whether it can pass the senate. Do you know when the vote will be for this
Strange timing? Kolbe dies, and suddenly HR 38 moves?
- Thread starter VietnamEraVet
- Start date
It will definitely pass the house. The real question is as to whether it can pass the senate. Do you know when the vote will be for this
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Don't ever put your faith in Roberts when a constitutional issue rubs up against the socialist agenda, he has been compromised. First rate coward there.
Robin
It will most deff NOT pass the Senate
***edit*** that is the way it is currently written
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The only way it will pass the house is when Ryan is assured by McConnel that the senate will can it. That way Ryan and his pack of RINO's can vote yea and get their phony conservative cred's. The oldest game in Washington.
Robin
Robin
Aardvarkjff
.38 Special
Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—
OK, what does "....may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce , in any State that...." mean? Why is "interstate or foreign commerce" even mentioned? Does that mean I can have a traveling gun show, but if I just want to visit my folks in another state without selling anything I am out of luck? It just seemed strange and I could see someone trying to be real literal because they could say if you want commerce you need an FFL and now you are screwed either way. Maybe I am just being paranoid.
OK, what does "....may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce , in any State that...." mean? Why is "interstate or foreign commerce" even mentioned? Does that mean I can have a traveling gun show, but if I just want to visit my folks in another state without selling anything I am out of luck? It just seemed strange and I could see someone trying to be real literal because they could say if you want commerce you need an FFL and now you are screwed either way. Maybe I am just being paranoid.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The way I'm interpreting it is the gun has to be manufactured. It cannot be homemade.
Aardvarkjff
.38 Special
OK, that makes more sense to me.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
TexasJarhead
.177 BB
I'll try to be brief, but probably won't. I live in upstate NY in Delaware County. Im from Texas, been here four years. I STILL cannot talk anyone into signing my pistol permit. Its like Kryptonite. I gave up. My neighbor is a State Trooper and asked me why I dont just move back to Texas so I can carry again. I will after my son graduates. In the meantime....my trooper friend says NO WAY will this new law benefit me? I would have to get a non resident permit from another state. Fine. Then he reminded me that you cannot have a NY drivers license and be a resident and own a pistol WITHOUT A STATE PERMIT WHICH STILL REQUIRES FOUR REFERENCES! Its a felony. How are we going to utilize this new law in a case like mine? In a funny side note, the trooper amusingly told me that if I try to get my truck registered in another state he would pull me over daily because Im not following NY state law and getting my vehicle registered and inspected here! I was hoping this would be a one size fits all law but I guess it is going to be for what its stated purpose is: unmolested legal travel through all 50 states with a concealed handgun!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Your neighbor is an idiot. One for threatening to pull you over for things that shouldn't concern him. And too for talking out of his ass and not knowing the potential law but making incorrect statements. If this goes through, you can carry in NY on a Texas permit even if you have a NY driver's license.
Law enforcement officers are some of the worse sources of legal advice out there. (Not even trying to be a dick to LEO). He isn' a lawyer. I bet her hasn't even read the bill to know how it would affect penal law.
Nanook145
.40 S&W
It is stories like this that are the reason I generally do not like law enforcement officers of any kind. I certainly would never trust one under any circumstances with anything. It is a shame this job tends to attract people with low intelligences, warped/bruised egos, bombastic/overzealous personalities, and an all around underserved sense of accomplishment.
Last edited:
Also ok not going to judge you or anything, but you've been living in New York for 4 years now and you don't know 4 people who would be character references for you?
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
I was thinking the same. I have probably been a reference on 100+ applications, some of which were for people I barely know. Find some like minded people and just ask them...
You need to find a local members only gun range and apply for membership. If you don’t know anyone there, do a little research, and find out when their monthly meetings are held. Show up, and say Hi. Tell them you’re a gun owner who has moved up from Texas, and that you’re looking to meet some fellow local gun owners and enthusiasts.
Also, take a local NRA course that relates to handgun ownership, and talk to others taking the course.
You’re the one who needs to take the initiative and say Hi, I’m...
Also, take a local NRA course that relates to handgun ownership, and talk to others taking the course.
You’re the one who needs to take the initiative and say Hi, I’m...
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
This bill is the trojan Horse, carrying the fix NICS bill with it, If it come thru clean its good. But bring the current bad Fix Nics it a bad set up. Calling the bill fix nics is like call the mess we have a SAFE ACT
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How so? The Fix NICS bill just places penalties on agencies that are supposed to report to NICS and gives funding to agencies that claim they don't have the funding to report to NICS. It does absolutely nothing to us other than enforce NICS. NICS was already there.
If NICS was brand new now, then I'd agree with you.
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
So apparently some of the language is bad , this is one of several video on you tube discussing the same concerns.
Have YOU personally read the bill
OR
Just YouTube a bunch of people reactions and said hmmmm I'l go with that
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How about you actually read the the bill instead of taking someone's YouTube opinion?
That guy is taking words, twisting them, and telling you why he doesn't like it. For example. He says the first sentence references to amend the Brady bill and that's bad. Duh, NICS came from the Brady bill.
Most of his points he is saying that are no good are in NICS itself in it's current form. Read it for yourself.
Fix NICS does exactly what it says. It fixes a NICS that is already there whether you like NICS or not by making sure agencies report what they are supposed to report, penalize those that don't report when they are supposed to report, and give funding to those that claim they are too small to report. It doesn't add additional criteria to NICS.
http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20171204/BILLS-115HR38-RCP115-45.xml
Last edited:
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
So the part of adding " domestic violence records" is OK.
The only thing that should be added is is convictions. Isn't the first thing folks do in a divorce is file there domestic abuse accusations, "I been mentally abused by my spouse they never told me I looked good" that bill is loaded with shit. again its like calling the NY safe act a safe act. it should of been called the NY strip you of your rights bill.
And what part of fixing the nics system does the bump stock fix? I am not saying I agree with bump stock but how does that fix the nic system
The only thing that should be added is is convictions. Isn't the first thing folks do in a divorce is file there domestic abuse accusations, "I been mentally abused by my spouse they never told me I looked good" that bill is loaded with shit. again its like calling the NY safe act a safe act. it should of been called the NY strip you of your rights bill.
And what part of fixing the nics system does the bump stock fix? I am not saying I agree with bump stock but how does that fix the nic system
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
Your missing the point. there is already things in place to hold them accountable. but no one enforces it. Just like they say we ned more gun laws and the truth is the current gun laws are all ready over burdisom and they are not enforced anyways this
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right. So you're rather reciprocity not pass because there is a do nothing bill attached designed to enforce NICS which should be enforced if it's already law?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It says convictions followed by records. You can't have a record unless you have a conviction.
Bump Stocks is just a study. It's ridiculous. You don't need a bill to be there for that. Those will reported if used anyway just like it was reported in Vegas. But if that's what the Dems want, let them have it.
It would you rather not have reciprocity because you don't want them to have their official do nothing bump stock study?
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
YES I WOULD RATHER NOT! have the carry bill. I don't want to give up rights to get rights, I travel all over the united states and few areas I am not legally allowed to have my firearm with me. You can apply for non resident permits very simply.
I have had non resident permits forever , there are other solutions to traveling to other states with a firearm.
Stop offering up my rights to solve your temporary problem
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
Pass it as a clean bill!
I want it YES ,but I don't want to sell my sole for it. I don't care what the dems want they are corrupt,with out morals,and most of them are psychotic
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What soul are you selling? You already have NICS!
Last edited:
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
there is no problem with Nics except for jurisdictions not doing what they are all ready required to do. Want to fix that hold them accountable, that easey Have them do there job and when they don't FIRE THEM! just like the IRS scandal from a couple of years ago .no new laws needed to be created just need to hold people accountable for there lack of actions. As Donald has already said Treat is as a business if they don't perform there job duties tell them YOUR FIRED!
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
The fix NICS is nothing more than a gun grab. Lets say you get a parking or speeding ticket and you forget to pay it (whether by accident or on purpose) After a few months, a judge will issue a bench warrant for your arrest because you failed to either show up or submit a plea, now you are a "fugitive from justice" Your name now goes into the FBI NICS system. Now lets say a year or two later you're on vacation in Texas and you get pulled over for rolling through a stop sign. Your name will come up as a "FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE with an outstanding warrant. You get arrested. the LEO doesn't know what the warrant is for and he/she won't care. Guess what is about to happen to your CCW permit and ALL YOUR FIREARMS. This "fix" isn't a fix at all, it's gun grab, period
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What rights are you giving up? Be specific please.